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ntnon 01-13-14 10:00 AM

Re: TV on DVD* Challenge - Season Four Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973104)
I absolutely do not care for TNG. I watched from season 1 to about half of season 2 and then random episodes after that. I saw nothing in those random episodes watched to cause me to change my overall opinion of the series. In spite of my general feelings about the series I *did* purchase seasons 1 & 2 a few months back (when I found them on sale at SAMs for ~$25 each) to watch again and see if my impression is the same as it was during the original run.

Ummm..


Please understand that Season 1 is very, very uneven. And Season 2 is almost unwatchable because of the behind-the-scenes tensions and problems. It's only Season 3 where the show picks up to become so revered. DO NOT WATCH SEASONS 1 AND 2 AGAIN... at least until after you finally get to see Season 3. Really. Pretend they don't exist for a while.


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973104)
It seemed that almost every time I'd watch an episode it would be:

* A holodeck episode that really didn't have anything to do with "Trek" other than it used the holodeck and some TNG characters. It's as if a writer said: "Hey! I have a script I wrote for xxx (pick any series ever produced) that was never used. If we change the characters to TNG cast and throw in some Trek references we can use it as a holodeck episode!"

If you're invested in the show and the characters, those episodes stand out by allowing the tried-and-tested interactions to function in a different context, which casts another light on the "real" them. It's actually a very handy plot device - if, perhaps, over-used - because it let the writers tell "non-Trek" stores with Trek characters in a Trek context. Most shows have an episode or several that mess with the format for that reason alone... at least TNG and the Treks have a basis for allowing it, rather than shoe-horned oddity or never-explained craziness!


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973104)
* Wesley Crusher would save the whole ship as a deus ex machina plot device. The kid had trouble getting into Starfleet Academy! Even when that wasn't the case he always seemed front-and-center when on an episode. Why was he even on the bridge!?

He blagged his way onto the bridge (...by being the son of the Captain's One True Love..?) and was a certifiable genius. Ludicrously, eye-rollingly, annoying (at times) and often poorly written/used, but the "wunderkind" angle was clearly incorporated.


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973104)
* Featured Guinan. Another character I did not care for.

Booooo! :p


Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973104)
* The Borg. Yawn. Yeah, I know *lots* of people really liked them and felt they gave a bit boost to TNG. I felt like the writers became over-reliant on the Borg and episodes featuring them. If they are *really* that "bad" then why don't they just come in and wipe everyone out? They *do* have that power if they chose to concentrate it for a minute. I *hated* it when Jeri Ryan joined Voyager and feel the Borg presence actually hurt the direction of the series. Yes, the Borg episodes seemingly got big ratings but at what cost?

Definitely over-reliant, and probably to the detriment of things.

However, while I initially agreed with your assessment of Jeri Ryan (sight unseen, then after seeing her first few episodes), watching further she is very important. It finally gives the show(s) a chance to take in a new, untested, lifeform and teach/learn from it. That she's nominally human helps with it all; that she definitely isn't allows for the nuance.

ntnon 01-13-14 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LorenzoL (Post 11973532)
However, I'm enjoying the show a lot since I only started watching the show in real time halfway through the series run. Plus I never realized all of the guest stars that showed up on the show. They were an impressive list.

I've been surprised just how many interesting guests are popping up on Veronica Mars..!

I suspect, though, that my noticing - as perhaps you imply about M, SW has as much to with recognising more people than their being there. By which I mean that as I watch more and more shows, I see and notice the crossovers and guests a lot more. Where once I'd see "someone" wandering in, now I know who they are and where they've been! It's a lot more fun. :)

ntnon 01-13-14 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11973821)
Side comment, but does anyone else watch their shows on Netflix or other streamers even though they have better discs sitting on their shelves? I hate that I do it, but sometimes it's just easier. I feel like I'm wasting my earlier purchases, but at least I'm justifying my Netflix sub.

Yep.

Justified because it's so, so much easier to cart around an iPad/laptop than a portable DVD player (which judders, runs down the battery quicker, etc.) and because there's no disc swapping. Plus half of my DVDs are buried somewhere, rather than being neatly filed...

But I do not think I'm wasting the purchases because a) I can take discs on holiday while often don't get free wireless for Amazon Prime, b) things vanish from Prime (and Netflix, I understand) all the time, c) if I want the commentaries and extras, I can get to them, d) I hunt deals, so it's not "wasted money" and e) when the streaming services have trouble, disappear or start causing problems, I still have my discs.

ntnon 01-13-14 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11973999)
From talking to my non-Trekker friends I've come to the conclusion that many feel those extended dialog scenes we Trekkers love are a big part of why many veiwers were bored. Lots of them didn't know the history of the participants or series and were just there for a good SF ride. It didn't help that group that there were several long special effects "beauty shots" along the way.

I think the problem is a two-fold one - creators/makers on one side, and audience on the other. And the "problem" on both sides is that tension between reverence, adaptation and novelty.

Anytime they make - or remake - a TV show as a film, there's a tension between appealing to the core audience and appealing to a new audience. Since they're trying to tap into the fanbase, the makers have to be mildly referential and make it for the fans; but because the fanbase (of anything, more or less) still can't possibly sustain a film on its own, they also have to try and make it it's own beast: reintroduce everyone, up the special effects budget, etc., etc.

Then on the audience side, you have the fans and not-fans, who both want different things - but more than that, within the "fan" group you have people who want it to be a continuation and add something and those who want it to be EXACTLY the same.

Try making a film that satisfies all of those criteria!

Star Trek: Motion Picture seemed to veer between being "for the fans" who'd seen every episode and cared about the refit, and for an entirely new audience who hadn't seen the show and wouldn't mind the plot retread! And then the new Into Darkness did something similar by essentially being a not-quite-remake of a well-loved film that would hopefully resonate with fans who enjoyed it the first time round and a new audience who had never heard of it...


Weirdly (or not, given the all-too-common failure of made-for-fans-only things), frequently the filmmakers seem to take the name only and change everything else. Ostensibly because they seem to think that the name is enough to bring in the fans, but forget that there being fans somehow "proves" that nothing about the character will resonate with a new audience..! So you get Catwoman and The Avengers (Steed & Peel).

(Co-incidentally - or not - this odd type of assumption is one of things that sets DC films apart from Marvel films in many minds.)

BobO'Link 01-13-14 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11974647)
I'm unconvinced that contemporary audiences resist cerebral storytelling. I think Hollywood is way too timid to challenge that presumption, but in fairness to them, these things cost a whole lot of money to make and I can understand being scared of any red flags. That said, even within the comic book/superhero genre, I think it's worth noting that the new gold standard is The Dark Knight - which eschewed CGI destruction porn in favor of a post-9/11 allegory that had people on both ends of the political spectrum interpreting it in their favor.

It's the "Blockbuster mentality" that's seemingly driving that attitude towards CGI destruction porn fests. I get the impression that if a film's not "Blockbuster worthy" the studios do not want much to do with it. I specifically mentioned comic book/superhero films as the prime targets as that's also what seems to drive most comic books these days as well. Yes, there are exceptions, and Batman should *always* be one of those. A Batman film that relies on CGI over story telling shouldn't be made. That's not to say there shouldn't be any action sequences but what's there should be mostly realistic simply because Batman is a "normal" human with no mutant/super/metahuman elements. The Dark Knight seems to be one of the few recent films which understands this and IMHO tells a more realistic Batman story. BUT I've not yet seen The Dark Knight Rises so don't know if it, too, is less reliant on CGI to get the story across. What I've read indicates this is so but I'll reserve judgement for when I get a chance to put the disc in the player. Batman Begins *seemed* to be headed the way of a "normal" Batman story but turned into full-tilt CGI madness at the end. That's a major reason I'm not much of a fan of that one. It has other issues but the scenes of the "Batmobile" running across rooftops was totally excessive and unbelievable even within the realm of a "suspend your disbelief comic film". They lost me fully there and never got me back. It was to the point that I almost refused to see The Dark Knight Rises as I didn't want to watch another CGI crap fest in the disguise of a Batmovie.

But I digress... this is the TVonDVD challenge and those have *nothing* to do with Batman on TV so I'll fix that:

I saw Batman (1966) during its original release and was very excited! I only got to see about half of each weekly episode as we would be at church during most of the Wednesday chapter. The viewing was great because the film has all the elements that made the weekly program so much fun! It also has 4 of the absolute *best* Bat villains ever: "Catwoman" (Lee Meriwether), "Joker" (Cesar Romero), "Penguin" (Burgess Meredith), and "Riddler" (Frank Gorshin). I've always liked Lee Meriwether as Catwoman over Julie Newmar and the others have no equals! Yes, Phillips is *great* as Catwoman (a *very* close 2nd in my book with Newmar in 3rd place), and Nicholson does a *great* Joker (I like him in the roll better than Ledger) but for me those 4 *are* the best takes on those villains. It's such a "fun" movie and absolutely true to its TV roots. Say what you want about others who've played Batman but Adam West *is* Batman in much the same way that George Reeves *is* Superman! There's also no equal for the '66 Batmobile. If you're a fan of the '66 series and don't own a copy of the Eaglemoss '66 Batmobile *run* to your LCS and see if they can still get you a copy!

Viewing the film today I can only say it's better then when I was a kid. Sure it's a campy program but it was great for us kids in the mid-late 60s and *exactly* what we wanted to see on the screen. I *still* love the show and is what I tend to compare *every* incarnation of TV or Film Batman with. Keep in mind that I also like the Frank Miller version of Batman ("The Dark Knight Returns", "The Dark Knight Strikes Again", and "Batman: Year One" - one of the best Batman stories ever) and am one of a handful that liked "All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder" so I'm no stranger to the "dark" side of The Dark Knight .

I may just have to give the '66 film a viewing this month!

BobO'Link 01-13-14 03:52 PM

Re: TV on DVD* Challenge - Season Four Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by ntnon (Post 11975898)
Ummm..
Please understand that Season 1 is very, very uneven. And Season 2 is almost unwatchable because of the behind-the-scenes tensions and problems. It's only Season 3 where the show picks up to become so revered. DO NOT WATCH SEASONS 1 AND 2 AGAIN... at least until after you finally get to see Season 3. Really. Pretend they don't exist for a while.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I've actually pretended they didn't exist since the original airings. I *almost* didn't make the purchase solely based on my memories of the episodes I've seen from those 2 seasons.

I worked in broadcasting when the series first aired and was in charge of the weekly "record calendar" at the station for which I worked. That meant I was the one who decided what feed to pull a syndicated program from for taping to eventually be aired. For TNG I scheduled *two* recordings. One for airing and a second for me. I'd go to the station every Sunday (the feeds were on Saturday), get my copy, a spare tape, and head to a editing room where I'd edit out all the national commercials. While I was doing that I was making a personal tape copy (full speed VHS) of the commercial free program from the previous week. I'd take that copy home and verify it was good before erasing the edited tape for the next week's editing session. I saw *every* episode at least twice - once during editing and again during tape verification. I was so pissed about the issues I had and the direction of the show by the 6th episode of season 2 that I stopped the recordings for my use and erased all my personal copies. Samples of episodes in the future brought out my other issues and cemented many of the opinions I'd formed while editing and watching the first season or so.

FWIW - In spite of my feelings towards the program I own a copy of *all* of the press materials sent to broadcast stations for the series entire run. That consists of the "Press Kit" sent at the beginning of every season and the bi-weekly (I think... it may have been monthly) envelopes of photos, episode synopses, and slides. The program director knew I was a fan of Star Trek in general and made sure I got everything when it came in as he didn't care about the program and didn't use those materials for any promotions done by the station. Yes, he knew I'd basically stopped watching the program but I got the stuff anyway. It's a really cool collection!

Originally Posted by ntnon (Post 11975898)
If you're invested in the show and the characters, those episodes stand out by allowing the tried-and-tested interactions to function in a different context, which casts another light on the "real" them. It's actually a very handy plot device - if, perhaps, over-used - because it let the writers tell "non-Trek" stores with Trek characters in a Trek context. Most shows have an episode or several that mess with the format for that reason alone... at least TNG and the Treks have a basis for allowing it, rather than shoe-horned oddity or never-explained craziness!

I still consider it to be lazy writing and in general don't care for any of those episodes. I also don't care for similar episodes (dream sequences, etc.) in other programs I watch. In all fairness Voyager, which I like better, had their fair share of those type episodes.


Originally Posted by ntnon (Post 11975898)
He blagged his way onto the bridge (...by being the son of the Captain's One True Love..?) and was a certifiable genius. Ludicrously, eye-rollingly, annoying (at times) and often poorly written/used, but the "wunderkind" angle was clearly incorporated.

Having watched season 1, I know this - but, even though families are on board, the Enterprise is at heart a *military vessel*! A *kid*, no matter *how* smart he is or who his momma's "One True Love" happens to be, has absolutely *no* business on the Bridge unless it's for a "school field trip". Family members, or *any* non-Star Fleet personnel, belong in the secondary hull and *not* in the saucer! They *do* have sitters for kids whose parent(s) work in the saucer.

When you consider the "Mission Statement":

Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
the decision to allow families on such a military vessel is ill advised at best.

lisadoris 01-13-14 05:26 PM

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So my TV viewing has been sidetracked by the Australian Open. One of my favorites has already been bounced so I should return to Human Target and Orange is the New Black on Thursday.

Please return to the Star Trek discussion, it's fun to read. If I hadn't just watched the entire freaking franchise I would dig out my discs again.

EdTheRipper 01-13-14 07:59 PM

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Thanks to Verizon, I have a few free months of HBO. Pretty excited, as I'd cancelled all my premium channels a few months back. Now, I can catch the last season of Eastbound and Down and watch this season of Girls as it airs. Good stuff.

mrcellophane 01-14-14 12:47 AM

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Watched some more of Community's fourth season, and it's growing on me. There's an episode with singing puppets! Singing puppets!

I watched two episodes of Thriller: "Worse Than Murder" and "The Mark of the Hand". Both were quite good - much better than the last episode that I watched which was about a kid holding a random fisherman at gunpoint. The packaging and reviews cast the show as horror, but so far all of the episodes have been suspenseful potboilers.

Also watched the unaired pilot of Constant Payne, an American anime from 2001 that would have been about at teenaged girl and her father fighting crime with airships. Airships! Anyway, it looks like it would have been a great show, but alas it was not to be.

Ash Ketchum 01-14-14 07:01 AM

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After watching an episode of "The Lone Ranger" from 1949 this morning, I've now achieved my goal of seeing shows from every decade from the 1940s to the 2010s.

Also, I watched another YouTube discovery, an episode of "This Man Dawson" (1959), about a former marine officer, Colonel Dawson, whose job is to root out corruption in an unnamed big city police department. The episode, "The Assassin," is about his attempt to prevent an assassination of a high-level politician whose aim is to set up a crime commission. The supporting cast is amazing, including John Marley (THE GODFATHER), Brad Dexter (THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN), and L.Q. Jones (THE WILD BUNCH). There is an exciting airport climax as all the parties converge on the politician's private plane. I believe most of the episode was filmed on location (L.A., I presume).

Here it is:

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Travis McClain 01-14-14 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11976180)
It's the "Blockbuster mentality" that's seemingly driving that attitude towards CGI destruction porn fests.

Yeah, but my point is that I think it's erroneous on the part of Hollywood to think that audiences will only throw blockbuster money at a movie that's full of CGI destruction porn. Increasingly, when I hear people discuss even the big blockbusters, the positive aspects are more likely to include characterization, humor, "heart", etc. The amount of destruction in a movie has increasingly shifted to being discussed in a more negative light (see: Man of Steel criticism).

We're already reaching a point where superhero fatigue is setting in for movie goers, and whatever leads the next fad will almost have to begin by getting away from the massive fireballs. I look at the Bond series as a good litmus test; contrast the Brosnan era with the Craig era. You could get alcohol poisoning if you took a shot for every explosion in GoldenEye, but there's only one fireball in Casino Royale at all, and that's a firetruck halfway into the movie. They've shifted from set pieces to more personal stakes, where the conflict is more emotional drama than escalation of carnage.


...BUT I've not yet seen The Dark Knight Rises so don't know if it, too, is less reliant on CGI to get the story across.
Based on what I know of your taste, I wouldn't suggest you make it a priority. Nolan has characterized his Dark Knight Trilogy as being a hero's quest story (Batman Begins), a crime story (The Dark Knight), and a disaster movie (The Dark Knight Rises). TDKR is also, in my words, "the laziest, most contrived mess" I saw in all of 2012.


But I digress... this is the TVonDVD challenge and those have *nothing* to do with Batman on TV so I'll fix that:

Viewing the film today I can only say it's better then when I was a kid. Sure it's a campy program but it was great for us kids in the mid-late 60s and *exactly* what we wanted to see on the screen. I *still* love the show and is what I tend to compare *every* incarnation of TV or Film Batman with.
Adam West and that series are my mom's definitions of the character and mythology. She was excited to take my brother and me to see the 1989 movie. For me, that movie was a watershed experience. I went into it a child and came out of it an adolescent. For my mom, however, it was pure agony. God, she hated it! "They ruined Batman!" she complained. I wouldn't fully understand how she felt until 2002, when I took my cousin to see the live-action Scooby-Doo! movie.

I came to the '66 series and movie in re-runs that aired on the Family Channel when the '89 movie came out. Prior to that, neither Batman or superheroes at all were much on my radar (despite me growing up reading comic books!). I loved it. DC Comics recently began publishing Batman '66, a comic book based on that TV incarnation. It's been a lot of fun so far, and definitely something that I'd recommend.


Keep in mind that I also like the Frank Miller version of Batman ("The Dark Knight Returns", "The Dark Knight Strikes Again", and "Batman: Year One" - one of the best Batman stories ever) and am one of a handful that liked "All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder" so I'm no stranger to the "dark" side of The Dark Knight.
A few years ago, I finally read Adam West's memoir, Back to the Batcave. In it, he surprised me with his depth of insights into the character and his mythology. He had actually wanted to make The Dark Knight Returns. I want to believe that somewhere out there is an alternate universe where that movie was made!

shadokitty 01-14-14 09:23 AM

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Started my day today with a mini series that when put out on DVD was made into a 3 hour movie, Category 6: Day of Destruction. I remember watching that mini series when it first aired on CBS, many years ago.

davidh777 01-14-14 11:48 AM

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I took advantage of last weekend's free HBO/Cinemax preview to watch season 3 of Strike Back on demand. I was a bit annoyed with myself because I started to rewatch Hunted before realizing I'd never finished Strike Back after I bought it on BD last fall, so I was getting through that last week when the free weekend hit, and I had to rush through the last three episodes of season 2. Fortunately, through some dedicated watching and sacrificing the last three NFL games, I was able to finish it by Sunday night. I love the series--it's like an amped-up 24 with nudity and TV-MA violence--and this season was really good.

Another great show on Cinemax is Banshee, and this event coincided with the second-season premiere so I caught that too. It's a trashy and compulsively watchable crime/suspense series that like Strike Back has crazy violence and nudity. I wish I could add Cinemax to my cable bill and watch the rest of the season, but I'll have to wait for BD.

Sorry, you can return to the Star Trek/Star Wars conversation now. :)

Travis McClain 01-14-14 11:50 AM

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At long last, I have finished She-Ra, Princess of Power Season Two - and with it, the series! I began with Season One, Volume One in the 2011 TV on DVD* Challenge, then started Season One, Volume Two in that year's Animation Challenge, but only got through the first three episodes. It sat on my shelf until the 2012 Animation Challenge, when I completed it. I meant to watch Season Two last year, either during TV on DVD* or Animation, but just didn't. Here are my remarks on Season Two, spoiler'd for length:

Spoiler:
Season Two in some ways feels like "more of the same, but different". The familiar bits are all there, but these episodes have a noticeably different flavor than their predecessors. The conflict between the rebellion and the Horde, for instance, plays as more of a rivalry than the struggle for liberation that it clearly was in the first season. There's a less pervasive sense of oppression, even though the Horde still picks on poor farming villages from time to time.

It's also easy to see the influence of external pressures on the show to engage viewers my age at the time. For one thing, we see He-Man several times throughout this season. There's even one episode ("Shades of Orko") in which Man-at-Arms and Orko appear, without He-Man, which is interesting and actually a more fun crossover dynamic. In He-Man's final appearance, "Assault on the Hive", we're also introduced to the Dinosorbs in what is one of the clumsiest product spotlight bits I've seen - and that's in a TV show that was essentially conceived as a massive toy commercial!

The most satisfying episode is "Sweet Bee's Home", in which Frosta unsuccessfully tries to catch He-Man's eye...while he, in turn, gets nowhere with Sweet Bee. The humor is well handled, particularly one bit in which Frosta, her back to him, mocks the flirting He-Man. She mouths his words and shifts her head all snotty, and it's hilarious. Even though the awkwardness of unrequited attraction is a fairly thin gag to stretch over an entire story, it works here I think in large part because they really didn't do much in the way of romance stories on the show.

In that way, it's a reminder how focused the rest of the series was on avoiding those cliches about stories about lead female characters. To that end, I have to say I was both pleased and disappointed by the final appearance of She-Ra's love interest, Sea Hawk, in "The Locket". The relationship between Adora/She-Ra and Sea Hawk plays as much more platonic this time, which does work to reflect a sort of growth on their part, but just the same it feels as though in the effort to keep all the mushy stuff out of the show, they quashed what had been an interesting dynamic to the character.

Moreover, though, there's a great moment in that episode when Adora is about to turn into She-Ra, but the Horde robots actually get the drop on her and shoot her sword right out of her hand! It caught me by surprise, but then no one bats an eye that she's carrying She-Ra's sword. She even claims it as her own! She later brandishes the sword openly as Adora in the penultimate episode, "The Bibbet Story". Bow is probably qualified to work at the Daily Planet.

Thematically, Season Two emphasized being part of a family/team/group and accepting others for themselves, both usually tempered with a lesson in humility. There's more of a conservative bent, though, than the more liberal first season. The first episode on the set, "One to Count On", feels incongruous with the rest of the series. It's a message about self-reliance, in which She-Ra tries to break Bow and the others from constantly expecting her to rush to their aid...which, of course, she does anyway because that's the nature of the character and the show. Not a bad lesson, but poorly handled and undermined by the rest of the series by every time someone remarks how they knew She-Ra would show up. Similarly, two of the final episodes feature pacifist guest characters who are being taught that sometimes they have to fight. At least in the second, "The Bibbet Story", She-Ra defends the right of people to choose not to fight.

The other unfortunate blemish is that there are two people of color in this season; Netossa, a naive young woman who joins the rebellion (she's cool), but the other is one of Horde Prime's underlings, Inspector Darkney. Yes, "Darkney". I don't know who thought up that name and character design, but I just kinda stared when he came into the show:


BobO'Link 01-14-14 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
I look at the Bond series as a good litmus test; contrast the Brosnan era with the Craig era. You could get alcohol poisoning if you took a shot for every explosion in GoldenEye, but there's only one fireball in Casino Royale at all, and that's a firetruck halfway into the movie. They've shifted from set pieces to more personal stakes, where the conflict is more emotional drama than escalation of carnage.

And that's somewhat humorous as it seems the Bond films were some of those which started us on the journey to SFX explosion extravaganzas. With the recent ones it's looking like they are coming full circle, eh?

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
Based on what I know of your taste, I wouldn't suggest you make it a priority. Nolan has characterized his Dark Knight Trilogy as being a hero's quest story (Batman Begins), a crime story (The Dark Knight), and a disaster movie (The Dark Knight Rises). TDKR is also, in my words, "the laziest, most contrived mess" I saw in all of 2012.

Thanks for the warning! I figure I'll watch it during the AACM Challenge and then mainly because it's in the unopened pile. I only own that series for completion coupled with a ~$3 price tag for each. Pretty much the same reason I own Batman & Robin and, to a degree, Batman Forever (a flawed but still OK film).

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
Adam West and that series are my mom's definitions of the character and mythology. She was excited to take my brother and me to see the 1989 movie. For me, that movie was a watershed experience. I went into it a child and came out of it an adolescent. For my mom, however, it was pure agony. God, she hated it! "They ruined Batman!" she complained.

I was pretty apprehensive going into Burton's interpretation. After all *Michael Keaton* was playing Batman! *Keaton*!!?!! A guy who does *comedy*!?!?! Yeah, the '66 Batman was pretty "campy" but it was also somewhat serious.

I came out of that viewing with a new respect for both Burton *and* Keaton. It was a good addition to the Batman films as was Batman Returns. I really enjoyed the darker take on Batman. Keaton immediately became my 2nd favorite Batman actor and I was saddened when it was announced he would not reprise the role in Batman Forever. That one *seemed* to want to return to the style of the '66 film/series but didn't quite pull it off. Of course that's a hard thing to do coming off the 2 prior, darker, films with a *new* face in the cowl plus introduce Dick/Robin and have to deal with 2 major villains. Still it has some very good lines: "Holy rusted metal Batman!"... I think I was the only person in the theater who laughed at that homage. I know I got some odd looks from other patrons. :)

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
I wouldn't fully understand how she felt until 2002, when I took my cousin to see the live-action Scooby-Doo! movie.

:lol: I'm not a fan of the show and would still rather watch one of the cartoons than that film!

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
DC Comics recently began publishing Batman '66, a comic book based on that TV incarnation. It's been a lot of fun so far, and definitely something that I'd recommend.

I read the first 2 issues and while I feel it does a fairly good job of capturing the feel of the series there's just no "magic". It didn't help that the artwork for the first issue looked like it wanted to be 3D but wasn't. I kept looking for the 3D glasses that were not included nor needed. I know the series has received some good press but it's not selling at the store here. I think they currently get 2 copies and 1 goes to the shelf.

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11976840)
A few years ago, I finally read Adam West's memoir, Back to the Batcave. In it, he surprised me with his depth of insights into the character and his mythology. He had actually wanted to make The Dark Knight Returns. I want to believe that somewhere out there is an alternate universe where that movie was made!

That's something I've never read but probably should. That's interesting that he wanted to make The Dark Knight Returns! I can see him in the role. If that alternate universe exists I'd like to pay it a visit to see the film!

PhantomStranger 01-14-14 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11976180)
It's the "Blockbuster mentality" that's seemingly driving that attitude towards CGI destruction porn fests. I get the impression that if a film's not "Blockbuster worthy" the studios do not want much to do with it. I specifically mentioned comic book/superhero films as the prime targets as that's also what seems to drive most comic books these days as well. Yes, there are exceptions, and Batman should *always* be one of those. A Batman film that relies on CGI over story telling shouldn't be made.

I saw Batman (1966) during its original release and was very excited! I only got to see about half of each weekly episode as we would be at church during most of the Wednesday chapter. The viewing was great because the film has all the elements that made the weekly program so much fun! It also has 4 of the absolute *best* Bat villains ever: "Catwoman" (Lee Meriwether), "Joker" (Cesar Romero), "Penguin" (Burgess Meredith), and "Riddler" (Frank Gorshin). I've always liked Lee Meriwether as Catwoman over Julie Newmar and the others have no equals! Yes, Phillips is *great* as Catwoman (a *very* close 2nd in my book with Newmar in 3rd place), and Nicholson does a *great* Joker (I like him in the roll better than Ledger) but for me those 4 *are* the best takes on those villains. It's such a "fun" movie and absolutely true to its TV roots. Say what you want about others who've played Batman but Adam West *is* Batman in much the same way that George Reeves *is* Superman! There's also no equal for the '66 Batmobile. If you're a fan of the '66 series and don't own a copy of the Eaglemoss '66 Batmobile *run* to your LCS and see if they can still get you a copy!

Viewing the film today I can only say it's better then when I was a kid. Sure it's a campy program but it was great for us kids in the mid-late 60s and *exactly* what we wanted to see on the screen. I *still* love the show and is what I tend to compare *every* incarnation of TV or Film Batman with. Keep in mind that I also like the Frank Miller version of Batman ("The Dark Knight Returns", "The Dark Knight Strikes Again", and "Batman: Year One" - one of the best Batman stories ever) and am one of a handful that liked "All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder" so I'm no stranger to the "dark" side of The Dark Knight .

I may just have to give the '66 film a viewing this month!

CGI sells to a global audience, because you don't have to translate it. It's why Hollywood has increasingly shifted to using visually-oriented directors, because their films do better in revenue overseas. Any Hollywood blockbuster requires a huge amount of financing, and Hollywood expects to generate 60% of total box office from foreign markets (check the number of international actors, certain themes, etc). Story-driven American movies don't do nearly as well in foreign markets, which is why blockbusters get dumber and dumber every year. There is heavy pressure from the studios to cut extended dialogue out of blockbusters. Instead they fill the time with explosions and pretty CGI.

I saw the original Batman series in syndication as a child and loved it, though it can be appreciated on an entirely different level as an adult. I'm not sure what children today would think of the show, its cornier elements are probably scorned by children in 2014 if they are even aware of it. Even the modern Batman cartoons have gotten highly sophisticated, more aimed at adults than children.

LorenzoL 01-14-14 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11973821)
Side comment, but does anyone else watch their shows on Netflix or other streamers even though they have better discs sitting on their shelves? I hate that I do it, but sometimes it's just easier. I feel like I'm wasting my earlier purchases, but at least I'm justifying my Netflix sub.

I have been guilty of doing this and thus the reason why I try to finish watching shows that I don't have on DVD or Blu-ray like Murder, She Wrote or Frasier. I started watching 3rd Rock from the Sun and Gatchaman on Hulu+ but I stopped when I bought the Complete Set for both series recently at a good price.


Originally Posted by ntnon (Post 11975907)
I've been surprised just how many interesting guests are popping up on Veronica Mars..!

I suspect, though, that my noticing - as perhaps you imply about M, SW has as much to with recognising more people than their being there. By which I mean that as I watch more and more shows, I see and notice the crossovers and guests a lot more. Where once I'd see "someone" wandering in, now I know who they are and where they've been! It's a lot more fun. :)

I blame it on age ;) I guess is just the nature of things that once we start watching all the different shows and movies, we are bound to start recognizing all of the different actors.


Originally Posted by mrcellophane (Post 11976741)
Watched some more of Community's fourth season, and it's growing on me. There's an episode with singing puppets! Singing puppets!

The dreaded 4th season without Dan Harmon. Many people in the internet have a very low opinion of the season. I'm in the middle of the 3rd season and I'm looking forward to seeing it for myself.

Travis McClain 01-14-14 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11977330)
I read the first 2 issues and while I feel it does a fairly good job of capturing the feel of the series there's just no "magic". It didn't help that the artwork for the first issue looked like it wanted to be 3D but wasn't. I kept looking for the 3D glasses that were not included nor needed. I know the series has received some good press but it's not selling at the store here. I think they currently get 2 copies and 1 goes to the shelf.

Yeah, I have no idea what that art layout was all about, but it was weird. The first story was flat, but it's gotten better. I read last year's "Death of the Family" and a couple Joker stories in the newly-resurrected Legends of the Dark Knight, and for my money, the most satisfying Joker story I read all last year was in Batman '66 #3. The tone seems to have settled. And I give Jeff Parker credit for even undertaking a project like this anyway, trying to tap into the aesthetics and tenor of a TV show that ended 44 years earlier. I suspect that's harder than one would imagine to do right out of the gate.


That's something I've never read but probably should. That's interesting that he wanted to make The Dark Knight Returns! I can see him in the role. If that alternate universe exists I'd like to pay it a visit to see the film!
Read West's Back to the Batcave, but skip Burt Ward's Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights, unless you really just want to gorge on sleaze. I felt embarrassed for Ward that he had even written and published his story. In the end, he discusses how he found true love and does the whole "family values" entertainment thing these days, but his retelling of the glory days sounds more like the sad bragging of someone who isn't able to enjoy the present.

Giles 01-15-14 01:18 PM

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decided to get nostalgic and watch my Fame (season 1) DVD - Debbie Allen's choreography was the highlight of the show - but ugh, the 80's were truly tacky in the clothes and big hair.

the special "Bring Back Fame" was utterly riveting to watch and see who was discovered and reunited at the very end.

shadokitty 01-15-14 03:53 PM

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I got a late start today due to 3 appointments at the VA Hospital today, 2 dental, a routine cleaning, and a consult for a frontal partial where I made the appt for my extraction. I also had an appt with my therapist, so didn't get home till about 2:30 this afternoon. When I did get home I jumped right in with the 2nd episode from season 1 of Ancient Aliens, The Visitors.

Travis McClain 01-15-14 04:01 PM

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Conan O'Brien has apparently broken the news via Twitter that Batman (1966) *is* coming from Warner Home Entertaining on DVD this year!

mrcellophane 01-15-14 05:40 PM

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A couple days ago, I finished watching season four of Community and have pretty mixed feelings about it. Some of the episodes are quite good (Singing puppets! Origin stories!) while others are really disappointing and forgettable. I’ve been a fan of the show since the first episode, and I’m glad the show is continuing on. If it had been a situation like Soap with a cancellation coming just as the creator was back on board, it would have been a very lackluster end to a very good show.

I’m curious just how much the behind-the-camera drama has informed my reactions to this season. For that reason, I try not to read much about actors or behind-the-scenes antics. I did click on an interview Chevy Chase did and immediately regretted it. Chase didn’t have much good to say about Community or sitcoms in general.

BobO'Link 01-15-14 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11978633)
Conan O'Brien has apparently broken the news via Twitter that Batman (1966) *is* coming from Warner Home Entertaining on DVD this year!

I got home from a training session to see this in email! The training kept me too busy to check email and my standard sites so I was late to hear the news but I'm pumped! I don't do many pre-orders but this one will be ordered the day it goes up for sale! I'm hoping this release will also help break the stalemate on The Green Hornet.

With Batman '66 *and* The Bob Newhart Show coming this year I'll have my Top 10 *all* on DVD! The last of my "Holy Grail" shows will then be The Green Hornet and the completion of Newhart.

Travis McClain 01-16-14 07:19 AM

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Today's the halfway point in the challenge, folks. How're you coming along? Completed any personal goals? Any favorites from the first half? What do you have lined up for the second half?

shadokitty 01-16-14 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11979315)
Today's the halfway point in the challenge, folks. How're you coming along? Completed any personal goals? Any favorites from the first half? What do you have lined up for the second half?

Just hit 64. No goals set, and as for what I have lined up for the second half, more documentaries mainly like Ancient Aliens and nature documentaries. Though that isn't all I am going to watch as I am thinking of Knight Rider and Superfriends.


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