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rbrown498 09-21-13 08:53 PM

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I just finished watching THE 400 BLOWS. This was either my second or third time seeing it, but it's been so long since my last viewing that I'd forgotten most of the plot. It reaffirms my love of Truffaut, but I still have to say (and this may be seen as heresy by some) that, while I really like THE 400 BLOWS, it's still not quite up to the level of STOLEN KISSES, which I guess that I saw for the first time at exactly the right moment in my life.

My favorite moment in THE 400 BLOWS (out of many great moments) is when Rene's father, admonishing him for throwing clothes on the stuffed horse and smoking cigars, looks down and sees Antoine's feet...and continues as if he HASN'T just seen Antoine hiding on the other side of the bed.

Travis McClain 09-21-13 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rbrown498 (Post 11843169)
I watched THE MAGICIAN this afternoon. It didn't disappoint me; I was expecting something a lot heavier than what I got, and I really enjoyed Bergman in a relatively playful mood. I've found that, so far at least, I haven't met a Bergman film that I didn't like.

I'm gonna confess, but The Magician is one of the very few Bergman films that didn't rock my socks off. I don't quite know why that is, because everything that I appreciate about his storytelling is showcased in it. In fact, one could even argue it's the perfect microcosm of his filmography. We've got class dynamics, tradition vs. modernity, religious criticism and questions, duality, marital strain, the lion's share of the key actors...it's all here, but for whatever reason, it hasn't had much staying power with me.

I will say, though, that of the Bergman films I've seen to date, my personal pick as the single best representative of his filmography that I loved and would point Bergman newbies toward is Gycklarnas afton [Sawdust and Tinsel]. It wound up being my highest-ranked first-time viewing of 2012.

Here's what I wrote of it last year in my Letterboxd diary:

***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***

Spoiler:
There's something about Ingmar Bergman's filmography that very much resembles a stage troupe. He began as a playwright, so perhaps that's it. Perhaps it's his frequent collaborations with the same people. I think maybe the real reason for that feeling is that his storytelling continued to come back to specific themes time and again.

Here we explore a truly bitter relationship, between circus master Albert and his mistress, the performer Anne. Resentment and suspicion have already begun to poison their lives together by the time we meet them as they arrive in the town where Albert's wife lives with their two sons - whom he hasn't seen in three years. Anne is right to suspect Albert wishes to leave the circus and settle down with his estranged family. For her part, Anne makes a terrible choice in dabbling with a despicable actor as a means of revenge.

Here also we see the life of the performer through Bergman's eyes. As in <I>The Magician</I> and <I>The Seventh Seal</I>, we're acutely aware of the disrespect historically shown toward entertainers. When Albert comes hat in hand to the local theater to plead for the borrowing of costumes, the director, Mr. Sjuberg, berates him and all circus performers as being vastly inferior to stage performers: "The lowest of us would spit on the best of you," he taunts.

The objective of entertainment is to connect with the audience in a key way; it can range from amusement to inspiration, but whatever the connection it must be personal. The most successful entertainers (such as Bergman) deftly shift from the specifically personal to the universal in such a way that we identify with people who are not us. It is in this context, then, that one can become genuinely confused by the resentment of entertainers - and identify with Bergman's nearly perverse fascination with it.

As intended, I was consumed with dread throughout the climax of the film as Albert holes up with the revolver. I came to wish he would simply shoot himself, but I knew that the bear would not survive as soon as I saw the shot of Alma trying to coax her into eating. It's not a mercy killing, as in <I>Old Yeller</I>; nor is it even a killing of necessity, as with the execution of Gasim in <I>Lawrence of Arabia</I>. This is nothing more than pettiness. It is a lashing out at the vulnerable, caged and sickly bear because Albert needs to punish someone for his manic resentment of the world.

It isn't merely that the bear is defenseless and pitiable that makes her the obvious victim of Albert's contempt. Alma is the bear's caretaker, and one suspects that on some level at least, Albert is attempting to punish her symbolically for what she did to humiliate Frost seven years earlier in the anecdote shared with him when the film opens. It's as though Alma is Eve, and Albert is angry that Anne bit into an apple of her own.

“You only risk your lives. We risk our pride,” says Sjuberg. <I>Sawdust and Tinsel</I> opens with a tale that originated with Alma's pride and closes with the death of the bear. As someone who nearly ended his life last year and is presently going through a divorce, I am acutely aware of the precariousness of both life and pride, and the temptations of anger and bitterness that poisoned Albert and Anne. Perhaps more than even Bergman's other films about failing and failed relationships, this one struck a chord with me. To my credit, I have not shot any bears - literal, metaphorical or otherwise.

pacaway 09-21-13 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shadokitty (Post 11843213)
I didn't know Jason and the Argonauts was eligible. I own that and never got around to watching it in either the Sci Fi Challenge or the Animation Challenge.

Yep! Laser Disc #160. Never released on DVD so qualifies for that check mark as well!

popcorn 09-21-13 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rbrown498 (Post 11843276)
I just finished watching THE 400 BLOWS. This was either my second or third time seeing it, but it's been so long since my last viewing that I'd forgotten most of the plot. It reaffirms my love of Truffaut, but I still have to say (and this may be seen as heresy by some) that, while I really like THE 400 BLOWS, it's still not quite up to the level of STOLEN KISSES, which I guess that I saw for the first time at exactly the right moment in my life.

My favorite moment in THE 400 BLOWS (out of many great moments) is when Rene's father, admonishing him for throwing clothes on the stuffed horse and smoking cigars, looks down and sees Antoine's feet...and continues as if he HASN'T just seen Antoine hiding on the other side of the bed.

As crazy as it may sound, I just watched it for the first time. I can see why people herald it as a classic. I will get around to watching Stolen Kisses as soon as I can get my hands on it.

rbrown498 09-21-13 11:59 PM

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I finished out my Saturday by watching INSOMNIA, a first-time watch. I haven't seen the remake, so I went into it not knowing squat about it. I dug it pretty hard, even though I was a bit confused for a while about the circumstances involving the first major plot twist. Once I got further confirmation from the film that what I thought had happened did indeed happen, things got real interesting real quick.

Anybody know where to find a download of the song that plays over the end credits (and behind the disc menu)?

Ash Ketchum 09-22-13 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pacaway (Post 11843158)
What perfect timing for the Calgary International Film Festival to show Jason and the Argonauts (LD #160) this morning! So awesome to get to see this on the big screen!

The 50th anniversary of my seeing that as a child passed recently. The theater where I saw it is still around, but is now being used as a church by someone named Creflo Dollar.

mrcellophane 09-22-13 10:31 PM

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Since I've been transitioning to a new job, I haven't had much time for movies (thought I did watch the third season of Downton Abbey). Yesterday, I watched Five Easy Pieces which was a most perplexing film. The film follows Bobby, a pianist turned oil worker with a waitress girlfriend and a big dose of dissatisfaction. There are some incredibly witty conversations and scenes, including a funny diner scene where Bobby just wants a side of toast. Jack Nicholson plays Bobby and oscillates between sneering contempt and vulnerable uncertainty. Karen Black plays Rayette the waitress, and I find that I love her more and more each time I see her in a film. (Got to get Nashville on BD.) However, the high point for me was Lois Smith playing Bobby's sister, a neurotic pianist who you can tell has been worn down by her family. She's one of those people that isn't quite repressed but has definitely been at home too long.

Today, I finally watched Nanook of the North, a film I've had on my Criterion shelf for years. I know this makes me sound a bit uncultured, but I don't typically seek out documentaries unless they are about nature or something in which I am very interested. Anyway, it was time to finally get this out of my unwatched pile, and I am so glad I watched it. The film is a charming look at an Eskimo family traveling to the seals' breeding grounds to hunt. I really enjoyed it and want to build my own igloo (hard to do in the middle of Oklahoma).

pacaway 09-23-13 11:49 AM

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In case no one has mentioned this, Wizard of Oz 3D qualifies as a Criterion movie not released on DVD. It is LD # 059

malazar 09-23-13 09:01 PM

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I had a productive Criterion watching day for a change. First, I watched all of the supplemental interviews included on the Seconds disc. Then, I watched the film again with the John Frankenheimer commentary which completed my "watch the entire disc" part of the challenge.

In the evening, I watched the Safety Last! disc and one of the included supplemental short films, His Royal Slyness. I am not adverse to silent films in general, but I have to admit that I do find silent comedies to be a bit of a challenge for me to get into other than some Buster Keaton stuff. This followed the normal pattern for me of being entertaining enough but feeling kinda average to me overall. Since a lot of people I talk with seemed to love it, I always wonder what I am missing. Oh well, I will keep giving them a shot.

LJG765 09-23-13 10:53 PM

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I missed a couple days but have watched a few today to make up for it. Watched The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, The Devil and Daniel Webster and Robinson Crusoe on Mars. Well, the first is the only one I've watched before. I didn't enjoy it the first time. This time, I found more moments that I enjoyed (like the underwater parts) but overall, I don't think it'll ever be one that I want to watch. The Devil and Daniel Webster was ok. Not my favorite, but it was watchable. A little preachy, I thought.

The final one, Robinson Crusoe on Mars was my favorite of the three. A fairly good sci-fi film, a bit slow paced, but not too bad. Nothing like I was expecting. A few things that bugged me, though,
Spoiler:
Draper forces Friday to learn English rather than learning his language. He never even considers learning the other language. Also, it was a bit annoying when he sat around and made Friday work for him. It was like he figured out he was a slave, so hey, he can do my chores too!
There were some humorous parts and Mona, the monkey, does have a good presence. Still not sure
Spoiler:
how she doesn't need oxygen but Draper does! I mean, he has bigger lungs, but that shouldn't matter too much. She'd need more oxygen than what is indicated that there is on Mars!


Oh, I just needed to add, that it was the fakest snow ever, right at the end, that Mona was covered in. I'd watch this one again, though.

Travis McClain 09-24-13 03:32 AM

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I've fallen a bit behind on the discussion thread, it seems. On Saturday, I got together with a friend and we watched 12 Angry Men. We discussed that pretty thoroughly during last year's challenge, and so much has been said of it in general that I really don't have much to add so I'm not bothering to share my Letterboxd diary entry.

I do, however, want to bring up this essay written by Thane Rosenbaum for Criterion's 2011 edition of the film. I wonder: Am I alone in not particularly caring for this one? I can't quite articulate what my problem with this one is, except that I feel like it's trying too hard. For instance, there's the very first line:


12 Angry Men (1957), the first feature film directed by the legendary Sidney Lumet, is a Hollywood classic that, ironically, helped to define an era of filmmaking grounded in the gritty realism and frenetic energy of urban New York.
I don't understand what was "ironic" about the film's influence. Yes, I get that New York is outside Hollywood geographically and culturally, but is that actual irony? Even if we accept some kind of protectionist view wherein making films outside Hollywood is a no-no for Hollywood productions to promote, there's nothing in 12 Angry Men that addresses the matter.

Later, Rosenbaum writes:


It is not surprising that Lumet, whose lifetime coincided with so many of the injustices of the twentieth century—from the Holocaust to the Hollywood blacklist—would choose as the subject of his first feature a story painted in the gray brushstrokes of prejudice.
There's something about sweeping the Holocaust and the Hollywood blacklist together inside a parenthetical phrase as offhand examples of injustices of the twentieth century that seems reductive to the point of flippant. Moreover, by this point in the essay, Rosenbaum has done nothing to connect Lumet with either event aside from having been alive when they took place. It isn't until later in the essay that he even makes mention of Lumet being Jewish (without establishing any further direct connection to the Holocaust).

I had some other issues, but I'll leave it there. It just really stood out to me because it's the first essay I've read during this year's challenge where I became annoyed.

Also, I finally saw The Curious Case of Benjamin Button a few hours ago. I'm still organizing my thoughts on that one.

Travis McClain 09-24-13 03:37 AM

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Oh! I forgot to mention it, but a few days ago I read in a New York Times piece on Pope Francis that his favorite film is apparently La strada. I saw that for the first time last year. I'm still getting a sense of who Francis is, but I can easily see the appeal of Fellini's film for someone as dedicated to humility and consideration as Francis seems to be.

Ash Ketchum 09-24-13 04:45 AM

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12 Angry Men (1957), the first feature film directed by the legendary Sidney Lumet, is a Hollywood classic that, ironically, helped to define an era of filmmaking grounded in the gritty realism and frenetic energy of urban New York.
Travis, allow me to comment on this quote you took from that essay. 12 ANGRY MEN takes place entirely inside a jurors' room recreated in a studio. Not much in the way of "gritty realism and frenetic energy of urban New York." For that we'd have to look to MARTY (1955), which was shot on location, with many scenes in the Bronx, and was directed by Delbert Mann and won the Best Picture Oscar. Other influential New York-shot films from that period: THE SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS (1957), directed by Alexander Mackendrick and starring two New York-born stars, Burt Lancaster and Tony Curtis and EDGE OF THE CITY (1957), directed by Martin Ritt and starring John Cassavetes and Sidney Poitier.

Travis McClain 09-24-13 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 11845881)
Travis, allow me to comment on this quote you took from that essay. 12 ANGRY MEN takes place entirely inside a jurors' room recreated in a studio. Not much in the way of "gritty realism and frenetic energy of urban New York."

Yes, I got that. But 12 Angry Men wasn't consciously concerned at all with such matters as making films outside Hollywood, so any relationship it may have with that film-making milieu is incidental, or one of influence. Irony seems too strong a term, given that the film in no way addressed such matters. At best, one could argue a tangential case about verisimilitude and getting to the truth of a situation, but that's so convoluted to organize that I can't see anyone really buying it.

In short: I see nothing about this specific film that is "ironically" related to making gritty films in New York City. Would we say there's anything "ironic" about Terminator 2: Judgment Day preceding the last 20+ years of CGI-heavy films, or anything "ironic" about Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones preceding a decade's worth of movies shot digitally instead of on film?

Mondo Kane 09-24-13 05:08 PM

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Paid a visit to my local buy/trade store earlier. Criterions are extremely rare there and I wasn't expecting to find anything other than the usual stuff like Life Aquatic/Royal Tenembaums (In butchered-to-hell packaging to boot)

But wow. There was the Hulot trilogy! All under $5! Went ahead and blind-bought Trafic. Now I must admit that I thought each of Tati's films that I've seen in the Criterion Collection got progressively aggrivating to me (Which kinda explains why the previous owner gave these up) but even if I end up disliking this movie, at least it contains multiple documentaries about Tati whom I'm curious to know more about (Didn't even know that this was a 2-Disc til I brought it up to the counter, btw)

mrcellophane 09-24-13 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Kane (Post 11846709)
Paid a visit to my local buy/trade store earlier. Criterions are extremely rare there and I wasn't expecting to find anything other than the usual stuff like Life Aquatic/Royal Tenembaums (In butchered-to-hell packaging to boot)

But wow. There was the Hulot trilogy! All under $5! Went ahead and blind-bought Trafic. Now I must admit that I thought each of Tati's films that I've seen in the Criterion Collection got progressively aggrivating to me (Which kinda explains why the previous owner gave these up) but even if I end up disliking this movie, at least it contains multiple documentaries about Tati whom I'm curious to know more about (Didn't even know that this was a 2-Disc til I brought it up to the counter, btw)

I'm so jealous! Trafic is the only Criterion release of a Tati film that I'm missing. I love his films so much, especially Holiday and Playtime.

Mondo Kane 09-24-13 05:48 PM

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Holiday was the only one that I've liked. But I thought Jour de fête and even Illusionist were wonderful. So maybe I just perfer Tati when he's not Hulot. But we'll see how this one goes...

CardiffGiant 09-24-13 09:55 PM

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I've been away for about a week for a whole bunch of reasons, but I'm getting back into the swing of things. I blind bought Red Desert last year and finally got around to watching it. It really reflects the things that I love about Antonioni, there is an emptiness and isolation to his work, but I also think that Red Desert offers moments of hope throughout.

I should be more available for the final week of the challenge and already have a few titles planned out for the Horror Challenge crossover.

shadokitty 09-25-13 08:42 AM

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I just watched a behind the scenes bonus feature on my Halloween DVD and found an interesting bit of trivia. The Michael Myers mask was actually a William Shatner mask.

Giles 09-25-13 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pacaway (Post 11845010)
In case no one has mentioned this, Wizard of Oz 3D qualifies as a Criterion movie not released on DVD. It is LD # 059

which I saw yesterday - recommended, just for the fact that it's always a treat to resee this classic film on the big screen.

pacaway 09-25-13 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11847578)
which I saw yesterday - recommended, just for the fact that it's always a treat to resee this classic film on the big screen.

Yes, agreed! now to see it again before the weekend with the iPod playing Dark Side of the Moon!

Travis McClain 09-25-13 11:09 AM

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We have one IMAX theater in Louisville. It *was* a Rave theater, but then Rave sold to Cinemark and then the feds wouldn't let Cinemark keep this specific theater because of anti-trust regulations so it wound up being sold to Carmike. When I checked a few weeks ago, Louisville wasn't listed as an exhibiting city for The Wizard of Oz. I learned a couple days ago, though, that this theater is showing it. I was excited to take my niece to see it.

However, they charge $13.75 per child and up to $16.75 per adult. I know, some of you are used to prices like that even for movies that aren't in IMAX 3D, but I just can't do it. Maybe Cinemark will screen it in their Classic Series in 2D at some point and I can take her to that.

pacaway 09-25-13 12:47 PM

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$19.99 up here in Canada at Cineplex for IMAX 3D. It would hurt to pay cash for it, but I have enough club points for free tickets.

Can I count watching it again while listening to Dark Side of the Moon as a commentary track? :)

Giles 09-26-13 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pacaway (Post 11847654)
Yes, agreed! now to see it again before the weekend with the iPod playing Dark Side of the Moon!

LOL - that'd be awesome

I had accrued AMC stubs 'money' that I was able to use - so $3 out of pocket for the IMAX experience wasn't so bad.

Giles 09-26-13 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11847678)
We have one IMAX theater in Louisville. It *was* a Rave theater, but then Rave sold to Cinemark and then the feds wouldn't let Cinemark keep this specific theater because of anti-trust regulations so it wound up being sold to Carmike. When I checked a few weeks ago, Louisville wasn't listed as an exhibiting city for The Wizard of Oz. I learned a couple days ago, though, that this theater is showing it. I was excited to take my niece to see it.

However, they charge $13.75 per child and up to $16.75 per adult. I know, some of you are used to prices like that even for movies that aren't in IMAX 3D, but I just can't do it. Maybe Cinemark will screen it in their Classic Series in 2D at some point and I can take her to that.

well I hope you hadn't promised your niece a day out to the movies to see this, because I would have been P-O'd (for her sake)

Travis McClain 09-26-13 11:08 AM

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Back at the beginning of the challenge, I put in a couple of Inter-Library Loan requests so that I could complete Susie Bright's Top 10 list. They just came in last night! Not knowing whether they would turn up at all, or in time, I've done a less than stellar job working through the others on the list. It's still doable, but it will require some cramming and for me to be kind of light on my reviewing from here on out. (My standard review process takes about an hour per film, including ranking on Flickchart and adding the review remarks/link to various lists including the challenge list, the Rank 'Em list, My Criterion list, and two Letterboxd lists.)


Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11848976)
well I hope you hadn't promised your niece a day out to the movies to see this, because I would have been P-O'd (for her sake)

It's sweet of you to be so protective of my niece, but I can manage my relationship with her without such supervision, thanks.

LJG765 09-26-13 12:43 PM

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I've had an interesting past few days so I haven't had much energy to watch anything (or much time either). I am down to one check for the list, already have the movie picked out, just have to watch it. I got Monsoon Wedding from the library and hope to watch it in the next day or two. I guess I could have squeezed it in, but I want to go through this release as much as I can and it contains, from my understanding, at least 2 short films. I could be wrong; it's been a few days since I have gone through the bonus features.

Travis McClain 09-26-13 04:23 PM

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Criterion just uploaded a new Top 10 - the 100th, by my count. Might wanna check what you've watched this month against it.

Donald Fagen's Top 10
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--- Juliet of the Spirits
--- My Man Godfrey
--- Billy Liar
--- Fanny and Alexander — The Theatrical Version
--- Day of Wrath
--- On the Waterfront
--- The Third Man
--- Topsy-Turvy
--- Withnail and I

shadokitty 09-26-13 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11849482)
Criterion just uploaded a new Top 10 - the 100th, by my count. Might wanna check what you've watched this month against it.

Donald Fagen's Top 10
---
--- Juliet of the Spirits
--- My Man Godfrey
--- Billy Liar
--- Fanny and Alexander — The Theatrical Version
--- Day of Wrath
--- On the Waterfront
--- The Third Man
--- Topsy-Turvy
--- Withnail and I

While admittedly, I haven't watched much this month, I've watched a total of 1 on this list.

Travis McClain 09-26-13 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadokitty (Post 11849489)
While admittedly, I haven't watched much this month, I've watched a total of 1 on this list.

Me, too (My Man Godfrey), though I have previously seen .

shadokitty 09-26-13 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11849580)
Me, too (My Man Godfrey), though I have previously seen .

Mine was On the Waterfront, also a first time view.

Travis McClain 09-26-13 09:48 PM

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Finally saw my first Spike Lee joint: Do the Right Thing. From my Letterboxd diary:

***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***

Spoiler:

There's a lot to be considered about <I>Do the Right Thing</I>, and I intend to devote more thought to it. These are just my knee-jerk reactions.

Between the font used in the opening credits, Samuel L. Jackson, and then Miguel Sandoval, I couldn't help but to think of <I>Jurassic Park</I> throughout the movie. They'd make for an interesting double feature, really, with Ian Malcolm looking on in approval as Sal's burns to the ground.

The cast is terrific. Here I give a special acknowledgment of Giancarlo Esposito. Buggin' Out is the kind of character - and person, for that matter - who grates on my nerves, but Esposito played it so straight that it didn't feel like a put-on the way a lot of such performances usually do. Offhand, the only peer I could cite would be Stephen Lang's infuriating turn as Ike Clanton in <I>Tombstone</I>.

The first three-quarters of the film are so relatively lighthearted that even though it's apparent from the outset that tensions are going to escalate into something out of hand, I was still startled by the severity of the riot. It's a reminder that a smaller scale often has greater impact. It's ultimately just one contiguous fight scene involving several people, with a few minutes of on-screen vandalism, but it was far more affecting to watch than, say, the wanton destruction of half of Metropolis in <I>Man of Steel</I>.

I also give Spike Lee credit for giving us lots of reasons <I>not</I> to sympathize with anyone. Pino (John Turturro) is easily the least likable character in the film, but even Mookie (Lee), our point-of-view guy, is clearly too irresponsible to be an employee at a local pizza place, much less to be a father to young Hector. Here's a guy who's told there'll always be a place for him at Sal's, ignites the riot by throwing the garbage can through the window...and has the temerity to then demand his pay for the week! We hear from both his sister Jade (Joie Lee) and his girlfriend Tina (Rosie Perez) about how he doesn't actually stay at work, <I>or</I> come around to spend time with his son.

It would have been easy to have made Mookie a more traditional protagonist, but by imbuing him with these glaring character flaws, Lee gives us both a character and, by extension, a film that has depth. There are things to like about the guy. So many, in fact, that it's heartbreaking that he's the one who smashes Sal's window. I really wanted him to be the one to reinforce Da Mayor's appeal for the crowd to disperse. I hoped he was going to use the garbage can to stand on and address everyone, to be the voice of calm.

Beyond that, I appreciated that Lee set at the epicenter of the violence two of the three most antagonistic characters in the whole picture. They don't just get on Sal's nerves; Sweet Dick Willie (Robin Harris) is just as irked by Radio Raheem (Bill Nunn) as Sal. Only Radio will entertain Buggin's boycott; everyone else thinks it's ridiculous and petty.

Of <I>course</I> these would be the two guys to instigate something. And all for what? Complaining about a business owner's choice of celebrity photos to display and his ban on boomboxes? These aren't even subjects that most of society considers up for debate, much less a boycott-worthy offense. That's why it's so perfect. Lee spreads around the blame, making sure we have reasons to hold just about everyone at fault at least indirectly for what happens.

I imagine Huey Freeman shouting at everyone, "... And stop the damn dancing! Act like you've got some goddamn sense, people! Damn! I'm through playing around here!" (see: "The Trial of Robert Kelly"). Lee gets us to the point we want, expect, and even need for someone to be that voice of reason. He lets Da Mayor try, but doesn't let him succeed. It <I>is</I> upsetting, which is of course the whole point.

<B><I>Do the Right Thing</I> entered my Flickchart at #236/1576</B>


Do the Right Thing
-X- 1980 (1989)
-X- 051-100 (#97)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Great Soundtracks
-X- Theme: New York Stories
-X- Essay: Do the Right Thing by Roger Ebert
1/10 List: Miguel Arteta's Top 10
1/10 List: Alec Baldwin's Top 10
1/10 List: Diablo Cody's Top 10
1/10 List: Matt Dentler's Top 10
1/10 List: Flying Lotus's Top 10
1/10 List: Dennis LeHane's Top 10

LJG765 09-27-13 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11849482)
Criterion just uploaded a new Top 10 - the 100th, by my count. Might wanna check what you've watched this month against it.

Donald Fagen's Top 10
---
--- Juliet of the Spirits
--- My Man Godfrey
--- Billy Liar
--- Fanny and Alexander — The Theatrical Version
--- Day of Wrath
--- On the Waterfront
--- The Third Man
--- Topsy-Turvy
--- Withnail and I

I've watched two...


Originally Posted by shadokitty (Post 11849671)
Mine was On the Waterfront, also a first time view.

One of mine was this one as well. I enjoyed it more than I thought I was going to. The other was The Third Man which wasn't bad either. I have also watched Fanny and Alexander which was just odd.

Just finished Monsoon Wedding. This was a blind choice, but I'm so glad I rented it. I've a special spot for India in my heart and this movie really kind of showcases a lot of the reasons I do. It was even filmed around the time I visited, so a lot of the scenes in Delhi were similar to what I saw. It is now on my to buy list, though I see the DVD version must be out of print-glad they have a BR available!

pacaway 09-27-13 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11850098)
Just finished Monsoon Wedding. This was a blind choice, but I'm so glad I rented it. I've a special spot for India in my heart and this movie really kind of showcases a lot of the reasons I do. It was even filmed around the time I visited, so a lot of the scenes in Delhi were similar to what I saw. It is now on my to buy list, though I see the DVD version must be out of print-glad they have a BR available!

You could try The River. It is also set in India.

shadokitty 09-27-13 12:59 PM

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This is odd. A few days ago I got an email saying my Hulu Plus sub was on hold, as I had used a gift card to pay for the sub. I got to look today to see if there were any Criterions I could find that were available without Hulu Plus, and even though the bar on top of Hulu says Your Hulu Plus subscription is on hold, I still seem to be able to watch Criterion movies. I thought when Hulu put it on hold, you lost all access to watching Hulu Plus content.

CardiffGiant 09-27-13 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 11849931)
Finally saw my first Spike Lee joint: Do the Right Thing...

Since you liked Do the Right Thing, put 25th Hour on your list. Both are excellent films and I don't know which I would pick if I could only recommend one.

malazar 09-27-13 11:12 PM

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I watched The Great Dictator this afternoon and finished off Kagemusha tonight which I had started watching last night. These two finished off my checklist for the Challenge. I seem to have inadvertently hit upon the theme of identity with the films I watched this month having watched The Face of Another, Seconds, and now Kagemusha. All of them were fascinating character studies that I would rate very highly. Although I am sure I will probably watch another film or two, it has been a fun month of digging into my disc backlog of Criterion stuff that I had lying around waiting to be watched. There were lots of great first time watches that I am sure I will revisit often. I have also enjoyed reading the discussion in the thread even if I wish I had as much time as I would like to do in depth reviews for the stuff I watched.

Mondo Kane 09-28-13 01:50 AM

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Since we're getting near the end (And since I felt my picks for foreign-dramas had peaked with Kid with a bike) I felt like closing out this challenge only with documentaries (Gray Gardens), action films (I got one more Zatoichi film to go) and.....Comedies. And earlier, I just saw Zazie dans le métro, which just might be the most insane thing I've ever seen from France. At least the movie gave my most favorite image of this whole marathon:
http://31.media.tumblr.com/a55c9b089...wn4oo1_250.gif

pacaway 09-28-13 08:36 AM

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I've been enjoying some of the Calgary International Film Festival this week, which has cut into my home viewing time. As I mentioned earlier, I was able to see Jason and the Argonauts and now I see that they screened Amarcord a few days back. 40th anniversary, I guess. I've never seen it either. Bummer!
One of the theatres they use is about two blocks from work and the other is about eight. It's been fun.

Travis McClain 09-28-13 03:28 PM

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Just took a road trip down Two-Lane Blacktop. From my Letterboxd diary:

Spoiler:

In his essay for The Criterion Collection, <a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/621-two-lane-blacktop-slow-ride><I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I>: Slow Ride</a>, Kent Jones summarizes:

<blockquote>This movie about a cross-country race between a car freak in a lovingly souped-up ’55 Chevy and a fantasist in a store-bought GTO moves at an even, gliding pace, and it’s all about stopping to gas up, eat, make some bread in local quarter-mile drag races, pick up hitchhikers, let the engine breathe, share a drink.</blockquote>

Much of Jones's praise for the film falls somewhere between hyperbole and aggressive marketing, but he's spot-on about how it's "the least romantic road movie imaginable". Director Monte Hellman, he tells us, saw it as a romantic film anyway and I'd agree with that characterization. Most road trip films glamorize the open road, presenting it as a sort of magical place all its own where fascinating people go to find grand adventures, playing lots of energetic music and occasionally stopping for sex. <I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I> knows that's not true of most actual road trips, though, and gives us instead the tedium of cross-country driving.

Edgar Wright <a href=http://www.criterion.com/explore/161-edgar-wright-s-top-10>confessed</a>, "It’s probably not cool to admit you don’t quite get a cult movie. But it’s probably better than trying to act cool by pretending you really dig a movie that you don’t fully understand." I can't claim to fully understand every nuance of the film, but I do feel that I get it. We hear "It's about the journey, not the destination". That annoys me in large part because it's trite and often used by people trying to sound poignant, but for certain travelers, the journey <I>is</I> its own world to be visited. I'm such a traveler. I mean that in the literal sense and not the pretentious, metaphorical sense.

The people who ask "Are we there yet?" are the worst travelers. They don't find anything satisfying about crossing state lines, seeing different kinds of trees, or the imagined camaraderie of finding in the afternoon the car you passed in the morning. <I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I> gets these things, though. It's not worried about getting where it's going. It'll get there when it gets there. No one stops to ask, "Are we there yet" because being on the road is the reprieve from being places that everyone wants. In fact, we never actually <I>do</I> get where we're ostensibly headed.

I couldn't help but to think at times of <I>Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid</I>, particularly the relationship dynamics between The Driver (James Taylor), The Girl (Laurie Bird), and GTO (Warren Oates). The Girl is Etta place, tagging along until she decides to leave the boys to their finale - whatever it may be. She sleeps with The Mechanic, for whom there is no <I>Butch</I> analog, but like so many things in <I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I>, that occurrence is something of a non sequitar anyway.

It would be tempting to dismiss <I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I> as either dull and lacking in purpose (we never even learn anyone's actual name or reach Washington, D.C.), or so full of itself as to be off-putting ("Me and Bobby McGee" playing in the car at the gas station, that last shot of the burning celluloid). I can easily appreciate how viewers of different tastes would respond in those ways. Throughout its 103 minute run time, <I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I> was not just a vicarious road trip, but one that felt like a road trip I've actually taken, or easily could have taken. I don't really do much traveling these days, so it was nice to ride shotgun from California to North Carolina.

<B><I>Two-Lane Blacktop</I> Entered My Flickchart at #289/1577</B>


Two-Lane Blacktop
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-X- 401-450 (#414)
-X- Language: English
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-X- Theme: Road Trips
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