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Second Annual Drive-In/Exploitation/B-Movie Challenge March 31-April 30 2011


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The Second Annual Drive-In/Exploitation/B-Movie Challenge!!

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March 31 - April 30, 2011

100 Movies in 31 Days.

This thread is for discussion only.

The 2010 discussion thread was here. Last year's list thread is HERE.


Actual lists will go

***here***


As with most challenges, the goal is to reach 100 movies. Your own goal might be higher or lower. Challenge begins March 31, 2011, 12:00 am EDT and

ends April 30 when you pass out (It's a Saturday, so go ahead and watch through the night until you fall asleep Sunday morning _DUSK TIL DAWN, BABY!).


This might be one of the most challenging challenges to date. What we are celebrating here is trash cinema. The dreck and dross of films.

Flotsam and just plain shit. Cult Movies, B-Movies, Exploitation, Guilty pleasures, all. "Bad" is a relative term. One person's trash can be

another one's treasure. We're not here to denigrate these films, but to exult them (of course, if a film really sucks, then it can be fun to

acknowledge that, too).

What kinds of films are we talking about? Well, there is no hard and fast rule. This one is largely up to you.
Originally Posted by wapedia.mobi
A B movie is a low-budget commercial motion picture conceived neither as an arthouse film nor as pornography. In its original usage, during the

so-called Golden Age of Hollywood, the term more precisely identified a film intended for distribution as the less-publicized, bottom half of a

double feature. Although the U.S. production of movies intended as second features largely ceased by the end of the 1950s, the term B movie

continued to be used in the broader sense it maintains today. In its post-Golden Age usage, there is ambiguity on both sides of the definition: on

the one hand, many B movies display a high degree of craft and aesthetic ingenuity; on the other, the primary interest of many inexpensive

exploitation films is prurient. In some cases, both are true.

Exploitation film is a type of film that is promoted by "exploiting" often lurid subject matter. The term "exploitation" is common in film

marketing, used for all types of films to mean promotion or advertising. These films then need something to exploit, such as a big star, special

effects, sex, violence, romance, etc. An exploitation film, however, relies heavily on sensationalist advertising and broad and lurid

overstatement of the issues depicted, regardless of the intrinsic quality of the film. Very often, exploitation films are of low quality in every

sense. However, this has not always been the case. Exploitation films sometimes attract critical attention and cult followings.
RULES:

The Goal is 100 films. These type of films tend to be short, but they also might be a challenge to get through. Your personal goal might be higher or lower, depending on your tolerance for this type of cinema.

A film can only be counted once per list with the exception of riffed/commentaried films (see below).

This challenge is for Movies. Although we are not allowing TV shows, Made for TV Movies are allowed as are Direct to Video features.

We are allowing documentaries on B-Movies, Exploitation and Drive-ins and those involved with the production thereof. These should be features over 40 minutes.. We are also allowing trailer compilations, such as 42nd Street Forever and Something Weird compilations.
Throw a viewing party and show trailers between movies.

Mystery Science Theater 3000, Riff Trax, Cinematic Titanic, etc. are allowed. You may watch one for full credit or you may watch a non-riffed version and a riffed version for 1 full credit each (2 total). If there is a second riffed version (for example, MST3K did one, then Cinematic Titanic did the same movie) you may watch the second and any additional riffed versions for half a credit each.

Commentaries. To encourage actually watching the films, you may watch the film and then the commentary and credit it as two films. If you watch just the commentary, then count it as half a film. If there is a second commentary or additional, then it counts as half a film (so 1 for the film, 1 for the commentary, .5 for second commentary).

Films that have been nominated for Oscars are discouraged but not banned. I had originally wanted this to be the only hard rule, but I came across too many exceptions.

Drive-In exception rule: Any film seen in an actual Drive-In during the challenge 2011, regardless of other qualification, counts toward your list.. Please note that it was a Drive-In Movie.

We will go with the Sci-Fi rule on TV Mini-series (one "night" equals an entry), on Serials (we'll go with an hour's worth per entry), provided they actually were theatrical serials. A serial episode is about 15-20 minutes, so an hour's worth counts as an entry. 4-15 minutes ones or 3-20 minute episodes.

There are 3 Wild Cards for non-conforming films.

For fun, keep a running tally of "before they were famous" appearances in your list.

Please number your lists. Also, it is helpful to put a link to your list in your signature. This makes it easier for others to check out your list.

Prizes. To be determined. Categories are to be determined.



Keep discussions civil. We're all here to have fun.

This post is subject to revision and nothing is final.

"I still don't understand what kinds of movies you are talking about."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-movie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_movie

This list is not exclusive nor definitive, but these are the most representative movies for the challenge:

Biker Films
Blaxploitation
Cannibal films
Carsploitation
Cult Movies
Giallo films
Mondo films
Eco-Terror films
Nazisploitation
Rape / Revenge films
Sexploitation
Shocksploitation
Spaghetti Westerns
Women in Prison films
Martial Arts films
Eschploitation (religious end times)
Hixploitation/Moonshiners
Nunsploitation
Stoner Films
Vigilante films
Financial Bombs
Critical Bombs (Less than 20% Rotten Tomatoes or

Metacritic or IMDB Bottom

100
{Bottom 100 archive})
1930s and 1940s Cautionary Films
Juvenile Delinquent
60s Beach movies
Elvis
Films starring Rock Bands (or Rock stars that didn't become legit actors)
Eurospy films (not James Bond)
Depression era criminals
Ozploitation (Australian exploitation)
"Foreign" Ripoff films (like Turkish cinema)
Bollywood
"Race" films (early films made specifically for the African-American market pre-1950)
Films Dealing with "race" (pre-1965)
MST3K version of a film
Non-MST3K version of a film featured on MST3K
"Before they were famous"
"Condemned" by the Catholic National Legion of Decency
Bad Sequels to well-regarded films
Mildred Pierce-type "Women's pictures" from the 40s-60s
3-D films from the 90s and before
"Hood Films"
Mexican Wrestling films

See below a list of filmmakers and actors that by their very presence make a film "safe". While some of these people (actors especially)

might have some exceptions in their credits (like Star Trek for William Shatner), generally films with the listed creative talent are safe for the

challenge. Questions? Ask in the thread.


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If a category is listed as "Optional", it does not need to be 
filled to "complete" the checklist.  There are 10 free spots you may apply to non-Optional categories.
As with other checklists, titles can count for multiple categories.  

Some of these categories are so obscure we're giving 10 free spots of your choosing to fill in the list.

Watch one film from every decade of film history.
*	1890 - (insert film title here)(Optional)
*	1900 -(optional)
*	1910 -(optional)
*	1920 -(optional)
*	1930 -
*	1940 -
*	1950 -
*	1960 -
*	1970 -
*	1980 -
*	1990 -
*	2000 -

Watch a film for each rating:
*	G - (optional)
*	PG -
*	PG-13 - (optional)
*	R -
*	X (or NC-17) -
*	Unrated (post-MPAA 1968) -

Watch films in at least three formats (DVD, BD, HD DVD, Laserdisc, TV, online, Streaming Netflix type, UMD, theater, iPod, VHS-sourced{VHS transferred to DVD-+R is fine}).
*	First format, (insert format), (insert title).
*	Second format, (insert format), (insert title).
*	Third format, (insert format), (insert title).

Watch a film in an actual Drive-in.  (optional) (insert title)

Watch a film in the following genres:
A Token Science Fiction B-Movie:
A Token Horror B-Movie:
Italian (or European) films of the following Genres:
*	Eurospy (James Bond ripoffs)
*	Giallo
*	Sword & Sandal
*	Spaghetti Western
*	Cannibal Film
*	Mafia/Gangster Film
Martial Arts film:
*	Bruce Lee-sploitation (Starring any variation on Bruce Li, Le, etc.)
*	Hong Kong (or other Asian) film
*	American film
*	Any "Ninja" film
*              Bonus*  Actual Bruce Lee film
Biker Film
Stoner Film
Carsploitation Film
Blaxploitation
Sexploitation:
*	Any type
*	Nudie Cutie
*	Roughie
*	70s Porn
*	Emmanuelle Film
*      Teen Sex Comedy
Nunsploitation
Shocksploitation
Rape/Revenge Film
Vigilante Film
Women in Prison
Nazisploitation
Eschploitation (religious end times, or general religious exploitation)
Hixploitation/Moonshiners
Roadshow Exploitation/30s-40s "Cautionary" films
"Hood" Film ("Gangsta")
Hollywood Gangster film (Film Noir era)
Juvenile Delinquent Film
60s Beach Movie
Film starring Musical Group or Music Star (that did not become a legit actor)
*             *Bonus* Elvis film
Ozploitation
Mexican Wrestling Film
Foreign "Ripoff" film (such as Turkish cinema)
Bollywood Film (actual, not a Hollywood pastiche)
Eco-Terror Film
"Mondo" Film
Documentary ABOUT B-Movies/Exploitation/Drive-ins or those involved in their production
Video Nasty
TV-Movie
*	Lifetime Channel Movie
Bad Sequel to a "Well regarded film"
Critical Bomb (Less than 20% Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic or IMDB Bottom 100  {Bottom 100 archive})
Financial Bomb
MST3K/RiffTrax (or Cinematic Titanic) version of a film
Non-MST3K version of a film featured on MST3K (or CT)

Watch 10 films starring anyone from the actors safe list.
*	1  
*	2  
*	3  
*	4  
*	5  
*	6  
*	7  
*	8  
*	9  
*	10 

Watch 10 films Directed/Produced by anyone from the directors/producers safe list.
*	1  
*	2  
*	3  
*	4  
*	5  
*	6  
*	7  
*	8  
*	9  
*	10 

Watch 5 films from those in the Studio/Distributor safe list.
*	1  
*	2  
*	3  
*	4  
*	5

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The following lists are Automatic Safe lists. They are not definitive and there might be exceptions therein. Generally, the presence of those on

the lists in an actual creative capacity (that is, more than just a cameo or bit part. For instance, Bruce Campbell appearing in Spider-Man does

not make Spider-Man safe) is enough to make a film safe. Got more? Post them and I'll update the list. Obviously, films not including these

participants are safe, too. Update: I added several new names to the actors list. Some of these actors appeared in actual big budget

Hollywood fare, but most of their career was in B-Movies, then obviously discard the Big Hollywood movies and just watch the B's (For example,

William Shatner. Ignore Star Trek movies but anything else is fair game. Or Patrick Swazye. Ghost is probably not right, but most of his other

films were B-Movies).

Automatic Safe list:
Code:
Directors/Producers:

    * Albert Pyun
    * Andreas Schnaas
    * Andy Milligan
    * Andy Sidaris
    * Barry Mahon
    * Bill Rebane
    * Brian Yuzna
    * Bruno Mattei
    * Carl Monson
    * Charles Band
    * Cirio H. Santiago
    * Danny Steinman
    * Dario Argento
    * David A. Prior
    * David E. Durston
    * David F. Friedman
    * David L. Hewitt
    * Don Coscarelli
    * Don Dohler
    * Don Edmonds
    * Doris Wishman
    * Dwain Esper
    * Edward D. Wood, Jr.
    * Eli Roth
    * Enzo G. Castellari
    * Frank Henenlotter
    * Fred Olen Ray
    * George A. Romero
    * George Weiss
    * Giovanni "Tinto" Brass
    * Godfrey Ho
    * Greydon Clark
    * Harmony Korine
    * Harry Novak
    * Herschell Gordon Lewis
    * Jack Hill
    * Jack Smith
    * Jean Rollin
    * Jeff Lieberman
    * Jess Franco
    * Jim Wynorski
    * Joe D'Amato
    * Joe Sarno
    * John Carpenter
    * John Waters
    * José Mojica Marins (Coffin Joe)
    * José Ramón Larraz
    * Joseph Merhi
    * Juan Piquer Simón
    * Larry Cohen
    * Lindsay Shonteff
    * Lloyd Kaufman
    * Lucio Fulci
    * Mario Bava
    * Melvin Van Peebles
    * Michael and Roberta Findlay
    * Nico Mastorakis
    * Olaf Ittenbach
    * Paul Morrissey
    * Quentin Tarantino
    * Radley Metzger
    * Ray Dennis Steckler
    * Rob Zombie
    * Robert Rodriguez
    * Roger Corman
    * Ron Ormond
    * Ruggero Deodato
    * Russ Meyer
    * Samuel Fuller
    * Samuel Z. Arkoff
    * Sean Weathers
    * Sergio Corbucci
    * Shaw Brothers
    * Stephen Apostolof
    * Takashi Miike
    * Ted V. Mikels
    * Tobe Hooper
    * Umberto Lenzi
    * Uwe Boll
    * Wes Craven
    * William "One Shot" Beaudine
    * William Castle
    * William Girdler
    * William Lustig
    * Walerian Borowczyk
    * Zebedy Colt
    * Roger Watkins
    * Alejandro Jodorowsky
    * Kenneth Anger
    * Andrea Bianchi
    * Menahem Golan 
    * Yoram Globus
Code:
Distributors/Studios:

    * Troma Entertainment
    * Something Weird Video
    * American International Pictures (A.I.P.)
    * Boxoffice International Pictures
    * Crown International Pictures
    * Independent International Pictures
    * Hammer Film Productions
    * Amicus
    * Sunn Classic Pictures
    * The Asylum
    * Bci / Eclipse
    * Mill Creek Entertainment
    * Blue Underground
    * Dark Sky Films
    * Full Moon
    * New Concorde
    * Concorde-New Horizons
    * Toe Tag Pictures (August Underground) 
    * Panik House
    * Code Red 
    * Grindhouse Releasings 
    * Shriek Show 
    * No Shame 
    * Mondo Macabro 
    * Seduction Cinema/Retro Seduction Cinema 
    * Synapse
    * Academy 
    * Adness 
    * Alpha Blue 
    * Artsmagic 
    * Asia Pulp Cinema 
    * Critical Mass 
    * Cult Epics 
    * Discotek  
    * Fantoma 
    * Hong Kong Legends 
    * Imperial 
    * MPI 
    * VCI 
    * Redemption 
    * Severin Films 
    * Sub Rosa 
    * Tokyo Shock 
    * Unearthed
    * Shout Factory
    * PRC
    * Monogram
    * Cannon Films

(Some more theatrical ones, with samples of their output)
After Dark Films (The Abandoned, Captivity, Frontier(s))
Audubon Films (I a Woman, The Lickerish Quartet, Therese and Isabelle)
Bryanston Distributing (Coonskin, Deep Throat, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre)
Cambist Films (Anita, The Crazies, Ilsa)
Chancellor Films (Confessions of a Psycho Cat. The Diary of Knockers McCalla, Submission)
Commonwealth United (99 Women, The Blood of Fu Manchu , The Girl Who Knew Too Much)
Dimension Pictures (Boss N----r, Dolemite, Gator Bait)
Empire Pictures (Creepozoids, Re-Animator, Troll)
Eve Productions (Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, Mondo Topless, Vixen!)
Film Ventures International (Anthropophagus, Ator the Invicible, Pieces)
The Filmgroup (Creature from the Haunted Sea, Little Shop of Horrors, The Wasp Woman)
Greycat Films (The Dark Backward, Henry - Portrait of a Serial Killer, Meet the Feebles)
Grove Press (I am Curious, Mr. Freedom, Week End)
J.E.R. Pictures(Diary of a Nudist, The Ghastly Ones, Nude on the Moon)
Jack H Harris Enterprises (Dark Star, Equinox, Schlock)
Joseph Brenner Associates (Cuban Rebel Girls, Deep River Savages, Shock Waves)
MPM (Invasion of the Bee Girls, Virus, Savage Streets)
Magnet Releasing (Chocolate, Let the Right One In, Ong Bak 2)
Maron Films (Godzilla - Monster Zero, Godzilla's Revenge, War of the Gargantuas)
Millimeter Films (Hardware, The Return of the Swamp Thing, Stepfather II)
Sherpix (Pink Narcissus, Punishment Park, The Stewardesses)
Trans American Films (The Cycle Savages, Salon Kitty, Shivers)
Trans World Entertainment (The Curse, Killer Klowns from Outer Space, Maniac Cop)
UFDC (1990 - The Bronx Warriors, Dawn of the Dead, Sleepaway Camp)
World Northal (The 36th Chamber of Shaolin, The Children, Slaughter in San Francisco)
Code:
Actors:
Adam West
Allison Hayes
Angelo Rossitto
Arch Hall Jr
Audie Murphy
Barbara Steele
Bela Lugosi
Beverly Garland
Bill Goldberg
Billy Blanks
Boris Karloff
Brinke Stevens
Bruce Campbell
Bruce Dern
Bruce Lee (Le, Li, etc.)
Buck Flower
Cameron Mitchell
Casper Van Dien
Chelo Alonso
Cheryl "Rainbeaux" Smith
Christina Lindberg
Christopher Lee (except his newer films)
Chuck Conners
Chuck Norris
Clint Howard (ex: his brother's films)
Cynthia Rothrock
Blue Demon
Charles Bronson
Daniel Bernhardt
David Bradley
David Carridine
David Hess
Dennis Hopper (ex: Speed)
Dick Miller
Divine
Dolores Fuller
Dolph Lundgren (ex: Rocky IV)
Don “The Dragon” Wilson
Don Johnson
Donald Pleasence
Doug McClure
D'Urville Martin
Dyanne Thorne
Eddie Deezen
Eddie Parker
Eduardo Cianelli
Edwige Fenech
Elisha Cook Jr
Elizabeth Russell
Ernest Borgnine
Faith Domergue
Fred Williamson
Gary Daniels
Geofrrey Lewis
George Kennedy
George Zucco
Harry Reams
Harvey Lembeck
Hulk Hogan
J. Carrol Naish
Jack Elam
Jack Nicholson (pre-1975)
Jack Palance
Jackie Coogan
James Arness
James Karen
Jayne Mainsfield
Jean-Claude van Damme
Jeff Speakman
Jeff Wincott
Jeffery Combs
Joan Crawford
Joe Don Baker
Joe Spinell
John Agar
John Bloom
John Carradine
John Saxon
Klaus Kinski
Lana Clarkson
Laura Gemser
Lee Van Cleef
Linnea Quigley
Lionel Atwill
Lon Chaney Jr
Lou Ferrigno
Maila Nurmi
Mamie Van Doren
Mantan Mooreland
Maria Ouspenskaya
Mariangela Giordano 
Marjoe Gortner
Martin Kosleck
Mary Woronov
Maureen O'Sullivan
Michael Berryman
Michael Dudikoff
Micheal Gough
Micheal Ironside
Misty Mundae
Olivier Gruner
Pam Grier
Patrick Swayze
Peter Cushing
Peter Graves
Peter Lorre
Phil Fondacaro
PJ Soles
Randolph Scott
Reiko Ike
Richard Carlson
Richard Harrison
Richard Johnson
Richard Norton
Robert Vaughn
Robert Z'dar
Roddy McDowall
Roddy Piper
Roger Watkins
Rondo Hatton
Rudy Ray Moore
Russ Tamblyn
Santo
Sid Haig
Simon Oakland
Sonny Chiba
Steve Reeves
Steven Seagal
Sybil Danning
Ted Prior
The Amazing Criswell
Tom Atkins
Tor Johnson
Traci Lords
Tura Santana
Udo Kier
Uschi Digard 
Victor Buono
Vincent Price
Virginia Leith
Warren Oates
Whit Bissell
William Shatner (except Star Trek)
William Smith
Zoe Trilling

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reserved for upcoming movie schedules.

http://www.amctv.com/videos/b-movies/

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I know my participation will be pretty low, but I've got a pair of movies starring Johnny Cash (Five Minutes to Live and The Pride of Jesse Hallum) I plan on seeing for this. And if I can find a copy of Nashville Rebel starring Waylon Jennings at a price I'm willing to pay, I'll be happy to finally see that, too.
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I really liked that Johnny Cash movie last year. He has a real presence and it was too bad he never really took advantage of it.
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wait... this is the discussion thread ... or the list thread... you confuse me so Caligula
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Mildred Pierce-type "Women's pictures" from the 40s-60s
I would question the inclusion of this genre in this challenge. "Women's Pictures" like MILDRED PIERCE and Douglas Sirk's IMITATION OF LIFE were mainstream studio movies, often given big budgets and sometimes given Oscar campaigns. MILDRED PIERCE, for instance, got Joan Crawford her only Oscar.
Joan Crawford was not a Drive-in star until she started working for William Castle (STRAIT-JACKET, I SAW WHAT YOU DID) and afterwards (BERSERK, TROG).

Tyler Perry's versions of these films might fit this challenge, but they're another animal entirely.
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would 'Enter the Void' qualify? seems very 'cult'? [might consider this as a wild card film]

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Yes this is the discussion thread. List thread will go up a week before the challenge.

Women's pictures might have been taken seriously back then but today they come across as very melodramatic B films. It's loose, I admit.
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sorry for the over-excitement, I can't wait since I've got a section of DVD/bluray's ready to go for the challenge (!!!) [jumps around like a girl at a Bieber concert]
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interesting use of the 'commentary with film' (only) as a half entry - different... I like that.
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would 'Enter the Void' qualify? seems very 'cult'?
I don't know. It gets very sticky with newer films.
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Commentaries. To encourage actually watching the films, you may watch the film and then the commentary and credit it as two films. If you watch just the commentary, then count it as half a film.[/B] If there is a second commentary, then it counts as half a film (so 1 for the film, 1 for the commentary, .5 for second commentary).
Are their really people who only watch commentaries and not the movie?

I always watch the film first then if I'm interested in it I watch it again with the commentary.

This rule isn't really encouraging people to watch the movie, but discouraging them to watch second commentaries.

The second commentary on Night Of The Living Dead still takes 96 minutes to watch why should it only count as half?

Their might be people who only listen to the commentaries without watching the film but I not only watch the film I turn on the subtitles so I know what they are saying in the movie at the same time too!
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I don't know. It gets very sticky with newer films.
oh no, I agree with you there, that's why I''m opting that as a 'wild card'

and crap! I just watched 'American Grindhouse' and 'Schlock!: The Story of American Movies' - two documentaries that almost seem redundant when watched back to back.
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Are their really people who only watch commentaries and not the movie?

I always watch the film first then if I'm interested in it I watch it again with the commentary.

This rule isn't really encouraging people to watch the movie, but discouraging them to watch second commentaries.

The second commentary on Night Of The Living Dead still takes 96 minutes to watch why should it only count as half?

Their might be people who only listen to the commentaries without watching the film but I not only watch the film I turn on the subtitles so I know what they are saying in the movie at the same time too!
sort of, and I'm guilty of it, I'll listen to a commentary with headphones on, on my portable DVD player and not necesarily watch the movie - I can process alot of things at the same time, but doing computer work AND trying to watch a movie is a tad hard. But generally it's best to listen to a commentary track with the watching of the movie in tandem with each other. Generally as a rule, I'll listen to a commentary track after I've seen the movie. To do both, listen to the commentary and watch the movie for the first time, seems counterintuitive.
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one challenge, a guy watched the same film seven times, all commentaries but not one viewing was the movie proper (this was including theatrical and director's cuts). I want to encourage actually watching the films. I also acknowledge that people want to watch commentaries, so this is a compromise. I also want to encourage watching more films rather than just watching the same one over and over again. Think of it as diminishing returns. It takes just as long to watch a second commentary but so does staring into space with a stop watch. If you want to watch a movie three or more times go ahead, but it will cost you. Better to watch something new.
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oh no, I agree with you there, that's why I''m opting that as a 'wild card'

and crap! I just watched 'American Grindhouse' and 'Schlock!: The Story of American Movies' - two documentaries that almost seem redundant when watched back to back.
With Dave Friedman just passing away, that would have been a great tribute to him watching it during the challenge. There's still Mau Mau Sex Sex.

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sort of, and I'm guilty of it, I'll listen to a commentary with headphones on, on my portable DVD player and not necesarily watch the movie - I can process alot of things at the same time, but doing computer work AND trying to watch a movie is a tad hard. But generally it's best to listen to a commentary track with the watching of the movie in tandem with each other. Generally as a rule, I'll listen to a commentary track after I've seen the movie. To do both, listen to the commentary and watch the movie for the first time, seems counterintuitive.
I don't mind that so much. I just want to encourage watching the film proper at least once. Although I feel the commentary is more an educational experience and really just "half" a film (since you are really just getting the visual of it) than just watching the film, too many people want the commentaries after watching the film first, so I didn't think it was fair banning or even punishing it. If it's a film you've already seen but just want to watch the commentary for the challenge, you can do it, at a slight cost. Just my little twist.
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one challenge, a guy watched the same film seven times, all commentaries but not one viewing was the movie proper (this was including theatrical and director's cuts). I want to encourage actually watching the films. I also acknowledge that people want to watch commentaries, so this is a compromise. I also want to encourage watching more films rather than just watching the same one over and over again. Think of it as diminishing returns. It takes just as long to watch a second commentary but so does staring into space with a stop watch. If you want to watch a movie three or more times go ahead, but it will cost you. Better to watch something new.
I'll bet he'd already seen the movie proper several times before the challenge and wanted to use the challenge to catch up on the commentaries. I don't see a problem there.

It also takes just as long to watch a movie proper as it does staring into space with a stop watch. What's your point?
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Of course he did. But It's not in the spirit of the challenge. The challenge is to watch movies. Watching commentaries is not the same as watching movies. It is a movie-esque experience. You are watching the movie, but you are listening to something else. It's not appreciably different from watching a movie and listening to the radio at the same time. The challenge isn't how many hours you spend in front of a TV screen, but how many movies you watch. Part of this challenge, uniquely, is about suffering through "bad" movies. Anyone can watch a movie with a commentary. It's a special kind of torture to watch something like a Doris Wishman film, so part of the challenge is actually watching them without the crutch of a commentary. But commentaries ARE allowed in this challenge, at full credit, provided you watched the movie proper. The only penalty is if you watch JUST the commentary, or decide to watch it a third or more time. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect participants to actually watch a movie during a movie challenge and I'm not punishing anyone for watching the commentary.
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It's not appreciably different from watching a movie and listening to the radio at the same time.
Sure it is.

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It's a special kind of torture to watch something like a Doris Wishman film, so part of the challenge is actually watching them without the crutch of a commentary.
If I've suffered through something I don't usually watch it again, with or without commentary.

I only watched 2 commentaries last year on the last day of the challenge & I don't plan on watching any commentaries so far. But if other people wanted to watch them, even multple ones, I just don't see a problem.

But you're the host, you did a great job with this last year! It was the first challenge I did and I've been hooked ever since!
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Would 60s creature features count? I have movies like Attack of the Giant Leeches, The Giant Gila Monster, and some Godzilla movies from the 50s and 60s.
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I would question the inclusion of this genre in this challenge. "Women's Pictures" like MILDRED PIERCE and Douglas Sirk's IMITATION OF LIFE were mainstream studio movies, often given big budgets and sometimes given Oscar campaigns. MILDRED PIERCE, for instance, got Joan Crawford her only Oscar.
Joan Crawford was not a Drive-in star until she started working for William Castle (STRAIT-JACKET, I SAW WHAT YOU DID) and afterwards (BERSERK, TROG).

Tyler Perry's versions of these films might fit this challenge, but they're another animal entirely.
I'll second that. Every other category was fine but this one wouldn't be missed by me if it was removed.
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wait... this is the discussion thread ... or the list thread... you confuse me so Caligula
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I don't have a ton of these sitting unwatched, but I'll probably participate, if for no other reason than to finally watch Death Proof.
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