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I guess I would have to classify my 2 Final Fantasy movies and Immortal as guilty pleasures, my wife is not a big fan of animated movies so I have to watch them when she is away. Since I really don't want her to be away, I don't get to watch them very often. -kd5-

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Here's some more guilty pleasures of mind. While I recognize they aren't the best movies around, I always enjoy watching them.

Daddy Day Care, Held Up, and Life.

I also love Tommy Boy. I have fond memories watching it as a kid and still enjoy it to this day (and for more than nostalgia). I find it genuinely funny and don't feel guilty for admitting it, but it would probably classify as what you'd call a "Guilty Pleasure."

That's absolutely not what you've been trying to get across this whole time. From the start you said that a movie is bad or an actress is bad and that's that. You weren't calling it your opinion, you weren't explaining why you found it to be a bad movie, you just said that it was a fact it was bad or boring or pretentious, as though everyone else should agree with that. You've done an awful lot of backtracking since your first posts.

Case in point:

See what you did there? You stated it was a fact that the moving was boring. That is not a fact, that is your opinion. You know how I know it's your opinion? Because I disagree with it. I found the movie to be gripping and suspenseful, full of dread and intensity from the first scene. It was far from boring for me, but that doesn't mean you can't have found it boring. We're allowed to disagree, but your opinions don't rise to the level of being fact.

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And for what it's worth, just because a movie is popular doesn't mean it is a bad movie. Just because you don't like the audience of a particular movie, doesn't mean it's a bad movie. Of the movies you listed, I've actually liked quite a few.

No Country For Old Men is an expertly crafted movie (on a technical level) coupled with what I felt was a great story with great characters and some damn fine acting. Just because it was critically acclaimed shouldn't take away from its artistic merit. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World wasn't without its flaws, but it was a fun movie that captured the feel of the comics. While I enjoyed the comics more than the movie and felt some of the changes made in the movie were for the worse, I still really liked it a lot. Just because there were a lot of "hipsters" that also liked it doesn't make it a bad movie or mean I enjoyed it for the same reason they did.

You really should learn to separate the audience from the art; you don't have to like the movie, but disliking it because lots of people like it, for whatever reason, is a little ridiculous.

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Are you talking about the Eddie Murphy movie? I like that one a lot, but don't really consider it a guilty pleasure.

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Oh yeah, and Con Air! Man I love that movie. I remember a time about 6 years back when it was on TV all the time and I'd watch it several times each week, lol.

Yeah, that's the one. It's not the best movie around, but I really like it a lot.

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You really need to look up the difference between "opinion" and "fact". The reason that I, and I am sure several other members, think you dont know what you are talking about is because you somehow think your opinion is fact. You try to speak for other groups. Even in this post I quoted, you somehow think your opinion is more valid than my opinion. Which it isnt. Just because you believe something, doesnt make it fact. Like the bolded part. You cant seem to understand how someone may have a different opinion from you. And if they do, then they are wrong. People that are that close minded arent worth even trying to talk sense into. Hence the reason that you should be ignored.

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Ah, Con Air is a big-time guilty pleasure in all its Michael Bay-cheesiness.

Another guilty pleasure, as someone recently reminded me, is Celtic Woman. It's practically the same movie as Con Air, really. :)

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Dude, Steve Zahn made Daddy Day Care for me. When he broke out with Klingonese, I was stunned! The geek factor is really high with that movie, and that's what kept it from being just another generic, formulaic family movie to me. Not sure if I consider it a "guilty pleasure," though. It's borderline; I can confidently admit to liking it, but then I feel compelled to qualify that by pointing out how it appealed to my inner geek.

Also, I hated Tommy Boy when it came out, and I hate it now. Farley was amusing in small spurts on SNL for me, but became very tiresome in larger roles. I haven't seen Held Up, and I haven't seen all of Life but from the portions that I have seen I'm not sure I understand why it would be a guilty pleasure; it seemed pretty good to me.

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I never once said that people were wrong if they had a different opinion than me. Not once. I am NOT close minded. I will give every movie at least one chance. I judge a movie on it's merits, not merely because of flashy effects. If I find a movie boring, I'll say so.

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Somehow I think you pay about as much attention to most movies as you do to all the honest criticism leveled at you here. No wonder you found THE GODFATHER "boring." It was three hours spent sticking your fingers in your ears.

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What is that supposed to mean ? I love movies and pay very great attention to each and every movie I watch. The Godfather was pretty much just people talking. How exciting can that possibly be ? I never said that people who liked these kinds of movies were stupid or anything else. What honest criticism ? I've been nothing but attacked by some people on here because they don't agree with me. I have never ONCE attacked anyone. There's no excuse for attacking me. I haven't done anything except express how I feel. I personally attacked no one.

Let's just leave it at "there are things you like and I don't, and there are things I like that you probably don't like."

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I guess you missed the dozen or so on-screen murders.

There are these radical film concepts: dialogue, plot, acting.
Some people find them rather interesting

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But not all opinions are equal. Indeed, some opinions are ignorant.

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I find dialogue, plot, and acting interesting. Just not the Godfather. How dare you say some opinions are ignorant ? How DARE you ? You're just another person that I've come across that doesn't know what the word means. Opinions are just that, opinions. And you have no right to say anything to the contrary. How is not liking the Godfather ignorant ? Oh, that's right. It's not. It just means that I don't like the movie. I saw the murders in the movie. So what ? I didn't care whatsoever about the characters, so what if they died ? Just leave me alone. I'm allowed to think what I want and express those views, and you have no right to question me whatsoever, wether you agree or not. Don't attack me for not liking a movie you like.

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:lol:

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I find it kind of funny that everyone is ragging on this guy for the whole opinion/fact thing he's been talking about, yet when his opinion is that he doesn't like the Godfather, everyone gets pissed and tries to show him he's wrong.

The Godfather bored me when I watched it the first time, and I've never watched it since. So it just isn't everyone's cup of tea, or whatever that saying is.

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Thank you. I've never made fun of anyone because they liked Godfather. I just said that I thought it was boring. Thank you for understanding.

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I really couldnt care less what he thinks about the Godfather. The issue I have with this guy, is that he somehow thinks that his opinion is fact, while others opinions are worthless.
I'm not going to try and convince him he is wrong about the Godfather, as well as many other movies that he listed. It is enough for me to know that he is wrong.

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It has Jamie Foxx and is a pretty corny movie, but I've always enjoyed it.

I'm glad to see others around here also enjoyed that movie. I thought the general consensus was that it was a bad movie, so that's sort of why I listed it. I've never thought that though, it's always been one of those movies I'll catch on TV whenever I see it coming on. I need to buy it on DVD, but I always put it off.

I guess my definition of guilty pleasure might be a little off, because I never really feel guilty about enjoying any movie.

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I have NEVER said that my opinions are facts or that other opinions are worthless. I don't appreciate this horrible, baseless attack for no reason.

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I am not wrong, jjcool. Neither about Godfather or any of the other movies I've spoken of. It's an opinion. Opinions, by their very nature, cannot be wrong. I know full well that people have different thoughts about Godfather and all the movies I mentioned. I never said they were stupid opinions nor did I ever call the people that have them stupid. I merely expressed that I don't like these certain movies. That's all I've done. How dare you call me wrong ? I could very well do the same for whatever movies you like...but I would never do that. I could give you my thoughts on those movies, but I would never say that you don't pay attention to the movies or that you're wrong for having a certain opinion. Are you really the kind of person that thinks they know better than other "small minded" people ?

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I'd say it's time to just throw in the towel or the thread will just keep http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/spinnaz.gif

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How DARE you! Just leave me alone! Facts are facts! http://www.oocities.com/wild_wizard_...ys2/crying.gif

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The Godfather IS boring. That's a fact. But that doesn't mean it's a bad movie. There are lots of boring things that I like just fine. PBS documentaries, for example. But that doesn't mean they're bad. Just boring. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that. Natalie Portman is a bad actress. Every character she plays is just the same. With most actor/actresses that are even a bit good, you can suspend belief and see the character in the movie. But with Natalie Portman, she acts the same in every movie. You watch her and think "that's Natalie Portman" not "I love that character." If you can't buy the reality of a character, you can't get into the movie or show. Nothing I've said is wrong. You may all now kiss my ass....except for TehOH1.

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I think you're mistaking Halle Berry for Natalie Portman.

If you think Princess Amadala in The Phantom Menace and her character from Leon are even close to being the same, it is a fact that you are wrong. Case closed.

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Post #176:

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Seriously? Boring is subjective. Some people find certain things boring while others do not. It is your opinion that a movie is boring; it is not a fact that a movie is boring. How are you failing to understand the distinction?

Evaluating someone's acting also comes down to opinion. I think Natalie Portman has proven herself quite the capable actress and has really thrown herself into roles. Perhaps you just haven't seen her in enough things? In everything I've seen her in, she has portrayed significantly different characters and I never once thought, "Oh, it's Natalie Portman," but instead actually believed the character she had portrayed. In Black Swan, Closer, Leon, My Blueberry Nights, V For Vendetta, and Hotel Chevalier she portrays drastically different characters. And then there's her hilarious rap video, which is another "character" that is unlike the rest she has portrayed. I don't quite understand how you can say she acts the same in all of her movies, but you're welcome to think that if you'd like. Just stop claiming it is a fact, when it is your opinion.

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I just luv this thread. I find the defendant, Spottedfeather, guilty if it pleasures the court
By the by, I also loved the Godfather when it was first released and just watched it again after many years last week. I rank it amongst the top 3 movies of all time. Perfect acting,cinematography, and for a 3 hour film perfectly paced, nary a wasted scene.
I can't fathom someone dismissing this film along with Scarface and Pulp Fiction and speaking up for Water World and Transformers. But to each their own.
However I'm totally befuddled about Spot's rule on WWII movies as being too recent to be of interest

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BTW, why is this mess of a thread in DVDtalk when it has nothing to do with DVDs?

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Ha ha, I thought you started that other thread.

BUSTED!!!!

And that's a fact! Doing that other account to do the same thing pretty much shows everyone you're just trolling. You just had to go and ruin it, didn't you?

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For the same reason the "Last TV show you watched" thread is in DVDtalk? :shrug:

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The last TV show you watched may have been on DVD

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You know, I wondered that when I first came to this thread but figured that TV shows could be guilty pleasures, too, so maybe it didn't need to be a movie-specific thread (ergo, not in the Movies forum). Before I had time to really even contemplate that, the whole thing took on a life of its own and I'd have been hard pressed to tell you what the hell this thread was supposed to about. I seriously wish that someone would excise the entire debate with Spottedfeather and create a new thread of just that ongoing conversation. I don't even know why, but it's my favorite thing online lately. I like it more than conversing with celebrities on Twitter and looking at shamelessly dorky cosplay photos on Deviant Art.

Which reminds me...
I gotta say, this stung. Even though I've debated the other side of the table from you, I thought I'd been respectful, cordial and even generous.

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I admire your candor.

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Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Natalie Portman does "act the same" in every movie. In no way does that in itself denote that she's a "bad" actress. Poor range maybe, but not "bad". As long as she nails a particular role, who cares how different she appears to act from film to film?

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Thank you ! That's exactly what I was trying to say. My mind being the way it is, sometimes it's really hard for me to find the correct words to say something. Looking back through this thread, I realize that I didn't explain my points as well as I could have. I'm sorry for getting up in everyone's face. I didn't think I did, but obviously most people thought so. Again, I'm sorry. Compared to most people, I'm a bit slower and it's pretty hard to express myself the way I'm thinking it in my head.

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<i>Mod note: I think this thread has outlived any usefulness it may have once had</i>