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Criterion Numbering

I asked in one of the Criterion threads about new releases coming out with lower numbers and was confused. I was set straight when I was told that they were just re-released editions as the movie will keep the same spine number.

Here are some of the comments regarding such:

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Originally Posted by Hendersonfan (Post 10158443)

So I have a question. I didn't research this or anything, just something I wondered. How can Black Orpheus be spine #48 if it's just being releases? Does Criterion skip/save certain numbers for future titles?

Another example is Walkabout spine #10 which is set to release Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by mdnitoil (Post 10158706)

They're simply following the original SD numbering. These are blu/re-released SDs.

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Originally Posted by Neil M. (Post 10158707)

These are new editions of movies already in the collection. The titles keep the same spine #.

This is a great month. I really need those B&N sales this year.

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Originally Posted by Hendersonfan (Post 10159378)

OK that makes sense. After I posted that I looked at Criterions website and found quite a few numbers skipped. Are they titles that are out of print or ones that will be re-released? I'll post the numbers tomorrow or make a thread about it. Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by Superdaddy (Post 10159620)

If you are asking specifically about the Criterion BD list, missing spine numbers are titles that have never been released on BD. Criterion started releasing BDs less than two years ago.

All of this makes sense, but when I looked at Criterions website I noticed many numbers missing. I clicked on the Criterion Collection tab, not just DVD or Blu. These are the numbers I found missing.....quite a few. So are these all retired or getting a re-release? Or is the movie being negotiated for a release?

67, 68, 69, 73, 74, 87, 88, 125, 126, 127, 128 180, 181, 186, 187, 188, 204, 205, 206, 209, 210, 211, 212, 242, 243, 244, 255, 256, 262, 264, 283, 284, 285, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 365, 366, 367, 368, 370, 371, 372, 373, 393, 394, 395, 419, 420, 472, 473, 497, 498, 499, 509, 510, 511, 518, 525, 526, 529, 530, 531

Re: Criterion Numbering

If you look at the numbers on the Wikipedia list you will notice the bulk of the numbers you mentioned are part of sets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_DVD_releases

Examples:

67, 68 and 69 belong to the OOP The Orphic Trilogy (#66)

125-128 belong to Carl Theodor Dreyer Box Set (#124) which is still in print

370-373 are all a part of Paul Robeson: Portraits of an Artist (#369)

These are just a few of the examples, most of the ones you mentioned belong to either a set still in print or one that is out of print. I'm sure someone who knows more about Criterion releases can come in and give more info.

Re: Criterion Numbering

Here you go man, all is laid out quite clearly:

List of Criterion Collection DVD releases

Re: Criterion Numbering

When Criterion releases a boxset of films, the boxset itself gets a spine number AND every film in the boxset gets it's own spine number following the boxset number.

The individual titles in boxsets are not listed on the "List View" option on the Criterion website. You have to click on the boxset and then the individual films are listed on that page with links to their own pages.

Here are the pages for 67, 68, and 69:

http://www.criterion.com/films/609-the-blood-of-a-poet
http://www.criterion.com/films/610-orpheus
http://www.criterion.com/films/611-testament-of-orpheus

Re: Criterion Numbering

Thank you very much. That makes a lot of sense now.

Re: Criterion Numbering

Also if a film is re-released inside of a box-set, it retains the original number, for example The 400 Blows retains #5, box set is #185, and the 2nd movie in the box set is #186.