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Old 03-04-10, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
What you've done here is the equivalent to going to a car enthusiast forum and posting (over and over and over again) that you wish all cars had 4 cylinder engines, and that you really want to buy a Ferrari with a V4. When the people there attempt to explain to you the benefits of a V6 or V8 engine for certain types of car, especially the type that you say you want, you call them elitists with a holy cause and a one-dimensional mindset.

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Simply put, I am in support of your viewing preference, whereas , you are in support of dissuading everyone you encounter from supporting the availability of mine. See a problem with the math here ??

P.S. I did not tell you that they should stop producing V8's and replace the entire line with V4's. In short: Think before posting.
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Originally Posted by samre5
Simply put, I am in support of your viewing preference, whereas , you are in support of dissuading everyone you encounter from supporting the availability of mine. See a problem with the math here ??
Your "preference" is to remain willfully ignorant. I have no sympathy for that.
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Ignorance is being unaware of options.....it is you who suffers from narrowmindedness....not I.
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Ignorance is not understanding why something is the way it is. You wouldn't need an "option" if you understood why movies are made in widescreen to begin with.

Further, like the person who wants a Ferrari with a V4, you're asking the company to waste its time and resources making you a crippled product when it should be focusing its efforts on more productive matters.
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Re: 1.78:1 cropped from 2.35:1

Originally Posted by samre5
Simply put, I am in support of your viewing preference, whereas , you are in support of dissuading everyone you encounter from supporting the availability of mine. See a problem with the math here ??
Nobody's required to support your preference. Whether or not you "support" OAR has no bearing on what other people should support. If they want to attempt to talk people out of choosing MAR instead of OAR, that's their prerogative.
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Fair enough Jay G....and nicely put.......We can agree to disagree.....still I don't feel compelled to badger anyone into conforming to my rule of thumb.
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....still I don't feel compelled to badger anyone into conforming to my rule of thumb.
I guess you don't feel as passionately about your position as some people here do.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
I guess you don't feel as passionately about your position as some people here do.
True, I am searching for something that means nothing to me on any level, except that I desire to have it. I am a movie watcher.....not a film aficionado.....but, I am a free and employed citizen of the U.S., and this entitles me to seek out and purchase items that are legal and available to be purchased. From what I have discovered, it is available.....although limited in supply and not in a diverse way. I have not found what I want in this vein, but, if I see it for sale I will buy it ....to your chagrin.
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Originally Posted by samre5
I am a movie watcher.....
But you've established that you really aren't. You turn off 70 percent of the movies you rent, and you dislike half of the remaining films that you complete. Yet you won't buy one of the rare movies that you do like because it doesn't fill your 60-inch screen.

Methinks you like the technology more than you like what the technology is used for.
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Re: 1.78:1 cropped from 2.35:1

Originally Posted by samre5
I am a movie watcher
Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
But you've established that you really aren't. You turn off 70 percent of the movies you rent, and you dislike half of the remaining films that you complete. Yet you won't buy one of the rare movies that you do like because it doesn't fill your 60-inch screen.

Methinks you like the technology more than you like what the technology is used for.
You're way too easy on him Salty. I would have/will say something like this:

You are not a movie watcher. You are the complete opposite of a movie watcher. In the dictionary next to 'film hater' they have your picture.
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I said in a prior post...very specifically.....as to indicate a trend,that , of the movies that I rented in the last year, I had ejected the percentages indicated........I did fail to mention that all of the movies were NEW releases....I should have clarified. I have a large collection of movies. Believe it or not, I have a large collection of movies that I consider favorites, and they all are OAR.......too long to list, but here's a couple>>>

The Flight of the Phoenix
Aliens series>>all
Star Trek>>ALL
Death Hunt>>Chuck Bronson
Planet Of the Apes>>original
War Games
Unforgiven>>incredible
Clint Westerns>>all
Back to the Future>>all
Mommy Dearest>>incredible
Transformers>>1st one ...great!
Screamers>>great !
Stripes
Goodfellas
Casino...................and on & on & on.......So I am not the abomination that I am made out to be, only since I first saw my first Blu-ray movie at home had this thought even come to mind.....sorry, native 1.78:1 Blu-ray movies are just sharper, more stunning and more immersive on my 16x9 display than watching the OAR..........that being said, I have no intention of running out and replacing all of my SD DVD movies with 16x9 versions if they became available........I would ,however, rent "new Blu-ray releases" in this fashion, and if I was soooooooo intrigued by the experience and spectacle of the movie that I wanted it to own, I would want to see and own the entire OAR presentation.....I don't know what is so strange about this seemingly backwards approach, but think about it......how many movies did you rent on VHS and full-screen 4:3 that became your FAV's and you loved the movie so much, that you seeked out the WS version because you loved the movie ? You will argue that you had no choice, and I argue that you do now. My way's are no doubt biizarre an illogical to you, but, for new movie releases, I would prefer (specifically Blu-ray) to have the superior image quality first, then go backward to OAR. If it becomes a FAV, I guess I would double-dip and buy both....either way, OAR still lives on undamaged in my estimation.........seems wierd huh?

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Re: 1.78:1 cropped from 2.35:1

Originally Posted by samre5
I don't know what is so strange about this seemingly backwards approach, but think about it......how many movies did you rent on VHS and full-screen 4:3 that became your FAV's and you loved the movie so much, that you seeked out the WS version because you loved the movie ?
I'm not sure I even understand the question, but many of us, including me, had Laserdisc players before DVD players came about because they offered movies in OAR when VHS didn't.

I would prefer (specifically Blu-ray) to have the superior image quality first, then go backward to OAR.
This makes my head hurt just trying to figure out what you're saying.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
I'm not sure I even understand the question, but many of us, including me, had Laserdisc players before DVD players came about because they offered movies in OAR when VHS didn't.


This makes my head hurt just trying to figure out what you're saying.
More power to ya.....peace out.
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Originally Posted by samre5
Believe it or not, I have a large collection of movies that I consider favorites, and they all are OAR.......too long to list, but here's a couple....
You should list those movies in Movie Talk and ask for recommendations on new movies, since you don't seem to have good luck with the ones you pick out yourself.

I don't know what is so strange about this seemingly backwards approach, but think about it......how many movies did you rent on VHS and full-screen 4:3 that became your FAV's and you loved the movie so much, that you seeked out the WS version because you loved the movie ?
Well, I only seeked out a WS version if the film wasn't originally 4:3 to begin with. And I searched out WS OAR when I had a 4:3 TV, even though the film would no longer fill my screen and "maximize the resolution," because I felt that getting the correct image was more important than getting an incorrect image that filled the screen.

You will argue that you had no choice, and I argue that you do now.
And now, when given that choice, I invariably chose the OAR version. Even if it turns out to be a film I despise, I never regret viewing it in OAR.

My way's are no doubt biizarre an illogical to you, but, for new movie releases, I would prefer (specifically Blu-ray) to have the superior image quality first, then go backward to OAR.
OAR is the superior image, and MAR is a step backwards. Just because an image fills a 1080 16:9 frame doesn't make it better.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
OAR is the superior image, and MAR is a step backwards. Just because an image fills a 1080 16:9 frame doesn't make it better.
Thank you. As I have said already, the OP needs to stop using that terminology. Calling a MARred image (open or cropped) "superior quality" is inaccurate and a display of ignorance, and even offensive to some of the people who value the art of movies. The OP just wants to maximize the pixel dynamism of his hardware.
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Re: 1.78:1 cropped from 2.35:1

I love watching my movies through a small funnel.
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Originally Posted by samre5
I believe that given the opportunity to purchase a DVD or Blu-ray movie that has been cropped by the studio from a 2.35:1 theatrical presentation for "full view" on 16x9 HDTV displays........... every day people that know nothing about the art of film-making.....(nor would they care)......would buy these versions on both formats over the OAR theatrical version because it is what people want.........you all who are so compelled to fight for OAR only are being over-protective........you feel strongly that there should only be regular Coke available and that it's existence will be threatened if they make diet Coke...............I don't want to deny you........I just want diet Coke.

The images in post #196 show it clearly
Sad that there are still people who want the "picture to fill up my whole screen" and don't want to see "black bars". Sad.

Would you buy a novel to read with 10 pages ripped out? Would you buy your favorite music album with 4 tracks missing? Cut a famous painting in half so it would "fit" your wall?

When I buy a film on DVD I want to see the entire image, not a portion of it, regardless of what TV I may have.
It should be mandatory for DVD companies to state on the packaging "This film is not in its original theatrical aspect ratio. It has been cropped to 1.78 to fit your screen". Making them real easy to avoid.
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Re: 1.78:1 cropped from 2.35:1

now's here's an interesting case in reformatting for a movie. For the upcoming theatrical release of 'How To Train Your Dragon', the trailer before 'Alice in Wonderland' in IMAX-Digital (1.78), the trailer was 2.35... but... according to IMDB, the film will be 1.85 to standard theatres and for IMAX the film will be 1.44 and 1.78 (for IMAX-Digital venues)
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Originally Posted by Giles
now's here's an interesting case in reformatting for a movie. For the upcoming theatrical release of 'How To Train Your Dragon', the trailer before 'Alice in Wonderland' in IMAX-Digital (1.78), the trailer was 2.35... but... according to IMDB, the film will be 1.85 to standard theatres and for IMAX the film will be 1.44 and 1.78 (for IMAX-Digital venues)
This is becoming more and more common with CGI films being framed for both standard screens, "real" IMAX screens and "fake" IMAX Digital screens.

Also, AVATAR was framed 1.78:1 for the 3D and 2.35:1 for 2D. If I were going to buy it (though I'm not) I would want it in 2.35:1. My guess is samre5 it jizzing over a 1.78:1 option.
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Originally Posted by shakti

Would you buy a novel to read with 10 pages ripped out? Would you buy your favorite music album with 4 tracks missing? Cut a famous painting in half so it would "fit" your wall?
I'd like to rephrase your analogies, if I may.

Would you want to read a book where you can only read the middle of the page? Would you want to listen to a music track with half the instrumental background erased and each line of a lyric stopped in the middle? Would you want to see the Mona Lisa but only the face and not the rest of the painting?

Something like that.
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Originally Posted by BobSolo
This is becoming more and more common with CGI films being framed for both standard screens, "real" IMAX screens and "fake" IMAX Digital screens.

Also, AVATAR was framed 1.78:1 for the 3D and 2.35:1 for 2D. If I were going to buy it (though I'm not) I would want it in 2.35:1. My guess is samre5 it jizzing over a 1.78:1 option.
from what I can tell, it's not an option, it's all out national/international release of the film in 1.78 on home video. I'm glad it's being released as such as well

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