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TheOne 10-17-08 01:08 AM

Question about "3D" DVDs
 
Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D is coming out soon. Read it will have a 2D and 3D version. Was thinking about getting it.

So, I was wondering if anyone had purchase any 3D DVDs (maybe Shrek 3D) and how did the 3D effects looked on your TV? Better on a large screen TV?
Or does the 3D effects look lame?

Thanks.

Alan Smithee 10-17-08 05:57 AM

3-D that uses red and blue glasses looks awful- there's no way to get accurate color on them. The few that use field-sequential electronic glasses looks a lot better, but the glasses make the picture darker and flickery. Supposedly there's a new system coming out that will eliminate all these problems, but I'm still waiting to hear about when I can actually go and buy it and what movies I can get for it.

Ethan VanSciver 10-17-08 10:22 AM

I have to say, NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD in 3-D (the recent remake) is pretty good 3-D, even though it is red and blue. I've watched it on my 60 inch LCD television and my 10 inch portable dvd player, and it looks great both ways.

baracine 10-17-08 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Smithee (Post 9010409)
3-D that uses red and blue glasses looks awful- there's no way to get accurate color on them. The few that use field-sequential electronic glasses looks a lot better, but the glasses make the picture darker and flickery. Supposedly there's a new system coming out that will eliminate all these problems, but I'm still waiting to hear about when I can actually go and buy it and what movies I can get for it.

Shrek 3D was a dark and generally awful experience on my 40 inch rear projection widescreen TV. The only way I could see anything was by putting the image in "torch mode" and even then it was a strain on the eyes. The other existing system doesn't work in progressive scanning mode. It seems to me that the higher storage capacity of Blu-Ray discs should solve those problems one way or another. I do believe 3D is the way of the future but too few people believe so right now.

Numes 10-17-08 11:24 AM

The 3-D scene in Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was pretty terrible. The box set came with the blue/red 3-D glasses and I would say I could only vaguely "feel" the 3-D for about 25% of the scene. I also had to hold the glasses right next to my eyes because if I caught any of the white from the frames of the glasses in my field of vision, it was even worse.

moonraker 10-17-08 11:36 AM

I seem to recall reading somewhere a long time ago that 3D wouldn't work on non-interlaced screens -- is this still correct? Do the new 3D movies being released on DVD get around this problem somehow? I have a 720p DLP tv (non-interlaced) so would I be able to view any of these 3D movies in 3D? Just wanted to find out the latest information on this before I shell out money for 3D DVD only to be disappointed.

baracine 10-17-08 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by moonraker (Post 9010955)
I seem to recall reading somewhere a long time ago that 3D wouldn't work on non-interlaced screens -- is this still correct? Do the new 3D movies being released on DVD get around this problem somehow? I have a 720p DLP tv (non-interlaced) so would I be able to view any of these 3D movies in 3D? Just wanted to find out the latest information on this before I shell out money for 3D DVD only to be disappointed.

It was true last time I checked. It won't work in progressive scanning. The system depends on an alternating vibration between two pictures making use of the interlacing system (60 flickers per second).

baracine 10-28-08 07:06 PM

I'm watching Journey to the Center of the Earth in SD/3D. It's the usual hodge-podge of black and white, 2-strip Technicolor, monochromes and sepia tones. Every red or green surface shimmers like a piece of day-glo fabric. Blues are simply sad. Funny how most 3D movies I've seen are set at night, indoors or else underground. Is that so we won't miss the natural colours?

Here are a few tips: Set the screen to Torch Mode and reduce Sharpness to zero (to erase the edges). Some of the scenes of this film look almost normal and certainly better than anything in Shrek 3D. The thrill ride scenes are the best I've ever seen - bar none - and this isn't Mr. Fraser's first rodeo. The film also deserves to be seen in 2D in order to enjoy its true colours, which are very good.

I remember a few decades back TV showing a Rolling Stones concert in 3D on Canada's Musique Plus channel. The glasses were clear plastic film and polarized. This had two wonderful benefits. You could watch the show without the glasses and the picture looked absolutely normal. When you put the glasses on, you didn't lose any of the colours and you got wonderful 3D. Why don't all 3D shows use that system?

PatrickMcCart 10-28-08 08:52 PM

Using red and blue glasses is like spinning around on an office chair to hear mono sound in full surround. Barely any resemblance to the real thing and it makes you sick afterwards.

Although, I'm not sure if anything better exists yet than the field sequential formatted DVDs made for LCD shutter glasses. Are there systems that take advantage of the superior tech specs of 1080p 120 Hz screens?

toddly6666 10-28-08 08:56 PM

Anyone test The Polar Express 3D DVD yet?

baracine 10-29-08 05:35 AM

I got my answer about polarized glasses from Wikipedia:


Polarizing techniques are most simply used with cathode ray technology, as polarizers are used within ordinary LCD screens for control of pixel presentation - this can interfere with these techniques.

In 2003 Keigo Iizuka discovered an inexpensive implementation of this principle on laptop computer displays using cellophane sheets.

Polarized stereoscopic pictures have been around since 1936, when Edwin H. Land first applied it to motion pictures. The so called "3-D movie craze" in the years 1952 through 1955 was almost entirely offered in theaters using polarizing projection and glasses. Only a minute amount of the total 3D films shown in the period used the anaglyph color filter method. What is new is the use of digital projection, and also the use of sophisticated IMAX 70mm film projectors, with very reliable mechanisms. A whole new generation of 3D animation films are beginning to show up in the theaters, all using some form of polarization. Polarization is not easily applied to home 3-D broadcast or DVD presentation. At this point only anaglyph glasses may be used to view the new HD shows and are beginning to be aired occasionally by NBC and the Discovery Channel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarized_glasses

Long story short: Polarized glasses work just fine with traditional CRT monitors or rear-projection TVs but can't be used with LCD screens. Another point in favour of rear-projection.

baracine 10-29-08 07:08 AM

Other drawback of Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D with anaglyph glasses: Objects that are supposed to jump out of the screen, like the dropping diamond, the pocket knife and the bird flying out at you, are horribly mis-registered with colour ghosting on both sides. It really takes a lot of concentration to focus on them and get the illusion. Having said this, the film is best enjoyed by focusing on the objects or characters closest to the screen and not concentrating too much on the background or foregound.

Alfred Bergman 10-29-08 05:10 PM

I remamber I watched a TV programa about film and video technology, and in theory was possible to create 3D for DVD using interlace filed and liquid crystal glasses. Pair lines should be one image, and unpaired lines the other image, for each eye. Something like that.

George Lucas will convert all Styar Wars films to 3d, with a new technology of 2D to 3D conversion, reported to cost about 50 to 100 dollar per minute of film.

For other side, Barry Sandrew is involved in the development of a 3D coinvertion, and I doin't know if is the same Geiorge Lucas wil use or already used in few short tests on Star Wars.

Barry's technology of image segmantation is usefull to 3D conversion, since 3D conversion require to isolate each object. But the point is that to 3D convertions it's also need to do some 3D estimation and recreate some bit of information, since objects will be relocated to give a 3D feeling, creating two slight different images, one for each eye.
Legend Films spent initially a milion dollars creating the colorization software. For the D conversion 5 milions will be spent.

baracine 10-29-08 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Alfred Bergman (Post 9037163)
I remamber I watched a TV programa about film and video technology, and in theory was possible to create 3D for DVD using interlace filed and liquid crystal glasses. Pair lines should be one image, and unpaired lines the other image, for each eye. Something like that.

Thsi system already exists and is already obsolete for monitors with progresive scanning.

wm lopez 10-29-08 05:36 PM

Anybody try watching the dvd with those cool black 3-D glasses they gave out at the movie theaters showing JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH?

baracine 10-29-08 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by wm lopez (Post 9037225)
Anybody try watching the dvd with those cool black 3-D glasses they gave out at the movie theaters showing JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH?

Those are polarized glasses and they don't work with the DVD. Please read the above.

american-pie92 10-29-08 07:49 PM

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news...ws.php?id=8216

american-pie92 10-29-08 07:49 PM

I unno can't wait for My Bloody Valentine 3D tho.

Brent L 10-29-08 07:58 PM

I tested out Journey to the Center of the Earth on Blu-ray last night, just for a few minutes. The yo-yo effect near the start of the film actually worked so well for me that I actually leaned back because it looked that much like it was about to hit me in the face. :lol:

baracine 10-29-08 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by american-pie92 (Post 9037506)

That link doesn't work. Please tell us the name of the site that goes between the two periods of the address. Either DVDTalk erases it automatically or it erases itself when you copy it.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 10-30-08 09:52 AM

Don't worry about not going to the web site, it has nothing to do with this topic.


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