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Old 07-28-08, 08:38 AM
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but is it the unrated cut?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Sony owns MGM, so if MGM has the rights to it, Sony could include it.
No, it's not that simple. Fox owns the home video distribution rights to MGM titles now (except in current films where Sony Pictures was a major partner). It's a little convoluted to be sure.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Sony owns MGM, so if MGM has the rights to it, Sony could include it.
Sony only owns 12% of MGM. Fox distributes the MGM catalog.

Sony has distribution rights for Casino Royale (and the upcoming Quantum of Solace) because they co-produced the movie. They do not have distribution rights for any of the older James Bond properties, all of which are handled by MGM and Fox now.

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Old 07-28-08, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Giles
but is it the unrated cut?
The packaging and the press release make no mention of a different, unrated cut. They only tout the new extras. I'm betting that this is the same US theatrical cut as the last R1 release.
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Originally Posted by canaryfarmer
The packaging and the press release make no mention of a different, unrated cut. They only tout the new extras. I'm betting that this is the same US theatrical cut as the last R1 release.
if that's true, which I assume it is... I'm buying the uncut Australian bluray.
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This set looks beautiful.
And the free ticket for QOS is icing on the cake.
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Old 07-28-08, 09:34 AM
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A Korean R3 uncut BR disc has been out for awhile now, I believe.
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I am ALL over that. I love CR.

And I never heard of this unrated different cut. What's so different about it?
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Old 07-28-08, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mcfly
I am ALL over that. I love CR.

And I never heard of this unrated different cut. What's so different about it?

It's not that much more footage, but it's more violence that obviousily would have given the film a R-rating.

from imdb:

US version is cut in the stairwell fight scene to secure a PG-13 rating. Removed was Obanno's henchmen hitting the ground or Obanno crashing into the glass window. Additionally the struggle at the bottom of the stairwell was shortened.

I also thought the torture scene was slightly trimmed.
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the only other two Bond films that were cut to avoid R-ratings were 'License to Kill' and 'Goldeneye'
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For the US version, the only scenes edited were the bathroom fight at the beginning and the stairway fight.
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Old 07-28-08, 01:06 PM
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It's a great looking set. I'm all over this, especially for the commentary tracks which the previous one lacked. The movie cash to see Quantum of Solace is indeed icing on the cake.
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Old 07-28-08, 01:19 PM
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I've actually only seen the movie once, and it was at a theater in Thailand (I happened to be on vacation there when it came out). The movie was in English with Thai subtitles, and I'm not sure which version it was. Unfortunately, it's been too long for me to compare it now with a US DVD. I remember it being pretty intense for a PG-13, but I also thought that about The Dark Knight. It might have just been the US version. I'm not aware of any violence censoring in Thailand, but it might have been easier for them to get the US version than the unedited one.

I've been meaning to buy the movie, but I heard about this 3-disc edition and decided to wait. I'm glad it's back on track, and I'll be picking it up whether it's edited or not.

By the way, concerning edited Bond movies: Die Another Day also had a few cuts, but I'm not sure if the unedited version has ever been released. As far as I know, the only substantial cut showed Bond and Miranda Frost in a hot tub - there are screen captures for this scene on various websites.
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so this 3-disc version is ONLY slated for standard dvd - righ? no bluray?
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Old 07-28-08, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
so this 3-disc version is ONLY slated for standard dvd - righ? no bluray?
if BR is it out
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Old 07-28-08, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
so this 3-disc version is ONLY slated for standard dvd - righ? no bluray?
DVD Active said there's a 2-disc Blu-ray coming out day and date with this one.
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Originally Posted by Rizor
For the US version, the only scenes edited were the bathroom fight at the beginning and the stairway fight.
That's correct, but a couple of points...

1) The bathroom fight in the unrated cut is better, but it was only one shot being held longer (Bond drowning the guy in the sink).

2) I actually prefer the U.S. version of the stairwell fight. The unrated cut includes the henchman hitting the floor and Bond slamming Obanno's arm into a window, but I thought the U.S. version was actually better edited (much faster). The unrated cut seemed to be fatter and go more slower.

3) The U.S. is actually one of the few places to get the uncut version of the torture scene. There is nothing else to add here.
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Originally Posted by mcfly
And I never heard of this unrated different cut. What's so different about it?
Reviewed here (see 2nd section about the International Cut):

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/29150...ional-version/
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
The U.S. is actually one of the few places to get the uncut version of the torture scene.
The Australian release is the most "uncut". It has the longer versions of the bathroom and stairwell fights, plus the full torture scene.
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
That's correct, but a couple of points...

1) The bathroom fight in the unrated cut is better, but it was only one shot being held longer (Bond drowning the guy in the sink).

2) I actually prefer the U.S. version of the stairwell fight. The unrated cut includes the henchman hitting the floor and Bond slamming Obanno's arm into a window, but I thought the U.S. version was actually better edited (much faster). The unrated cut seemed to be fatter and go more slower.

3) The U.S. is actually one of the few places to get the uncut version of the torture scene. There is nothing else to add here.
The total change from the "complete" to the most cut is, based on the DVD Talk review, a mere 22 seconds.

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Digitalbits.com says it's the David Niven film, not the Daniel Craig version:

"MGM has finally revealed its Casino Royale: Collector's Edition DVD, due on 10/21 (SRP $19.98). This is the David Niven film, not the recent Daniel Craig release. Extras will include audio commentary with James Bond historians Steven Jay Rubin and John Cork, 6 featurettes (The Making of Casino Royale, Bond, James Bond?, A 3 Ring Circus, More Directors, More Stars, The Big Climax and It's a Wrap!), the film's theatrical trailer and a photo gallery. No Blu-ray version has been announced."

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Originally Posted by erlong
Digitalbits.com says it's the David Niven film, not the Daniel Craig version:

"MGM has finally revealed its Casino Royale: Collector's Edition DVD, due on 10/21 (SRP $19.98). This is the David Niven film, not the recent Daniel Craig release. Extras will include audio commentary with James Bond historians Steven Jay Rubin and John Cork, 6 featurettes (The Making of Casino Royale, Bond, James Bond?, A 3 Ring Circus, More Directors, More Stars, The Big Climax and It's a Wrap!), the film's theatrical trailer and a photo gallery. No Blu-ray version has been announced."

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It's the Craig film as well. Just check the DVDactive link.
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
That's correct, but a couple of points...

1) The bathroom fight in the unrated cut is better, but it was only one shot being held longer (Bond drowning the guy in the sink).
There was a little bit more at the beginning of the fight as well. There's a little more violence as they fight through the bathroom stalls (I think) and after they break through, Bond kicks/beats the guy an additional time in the uncut version.
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First off I clearly remember seeing the unrated cut of the film at my local theater in St. Louis, MO because when I got home I read on the different versions of the film and I clearly remembered then that there was no insert shot of the feet of the man Bond is strangling like in the R1 DVD and I clearly remember that the Stairwell fight had Obanno's face hitting the glass window as well as the henchman falling to the ground. This is weird because other places in the U.S got the version that is on the R1 DVD but other places got the uncut versions in the theaters. The cuts that were made were definalty not what I would call R rated espcially the far shot of the henchman falling and hitting the ground (I actually think that when Bond throws the henchman off the ski slope in On Her Majesty's Secret Service is more violent since you can here him screaming) and when Obanno gets his head bashed into the glass there is no blood so I can't see this being R-rated either as well as the extra 3 SECONDS of the angle showing Bond straingling Fisher in the sink is not R-rated in my mind. Heres a link to a clip of the beginning of the uncut stairwell fignt:

http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/55...?download=true

If these cuts were made to prevent an R-rating then how did I see and others see the uncut version in U.S. theaters. My guess is that the R1 DVD version is the PG-13 cut of the film that was initially submitted to the MPAA to play it safe and later on they must have submitted the uncut version and this version must have been passed as well but it was to late to have every theater in the U.S to have the uncut print so both versions played in different areas of the U.S. Heres a good expanation by 007 Magizine:

http://www.007magazine.co.uk/news_dvd.htm


I disagree with some people who are already assuming that the CE edition will not be the uncut version just by going on the press release because I they would only mentioned it if it was never released but the uncut version was released in R3 DVD (which just happens to be compatable with US DVD players) and the Austrailian Bluray so its not anything like a never before released directors cut or an extended cut and another thing is that Martin Cambell has even said in an interview that for the new DVD he okayed the scenes that were cut out and was going to put most of them back as deleted scenes in the new DVD which means that the version that is on the new set was okayed by him and it would naturally be the uncut version released on the original R3 DVD since all Regions will get the same cut of the fim on the CE because thats what most second released get. Here is a link to the Martin Cambell interview:

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=7

Heres some updated info from thedigitalbits.com:

Here's big news today: Sony has just officially announced it's new Casino Royale: Collector's Edition for release on 10/21 on DVD (SRP $29.95) and Blu-ray (SRP $38.96)! Again, this is the 2006 film starring Daniel Craig. The DVD will be a 3-disc set. We've reported much of this previously, but here's the official updated version of the spec list: The DVD will include audio commentary with members of the crew, 8 documentaries (Ian Fleming's Incredible Creation, The Road to Casino Royale, James Bond in the Bahamas, Ian Fleming: The Secret Road to Paradise, Death in Venice, Becoming Bond, James Bond: For Real and Bond Girls are Forever), The Art of Freerunning featurette, 6 filmmaker profiles (Martin Campbell, Director, Chris Corbould, Special Effects, Phil Meheux, Director of Photography, Gary Powell, Stunt Coordinator, Alexander Witt, Second Unit Director and David Arnold, Composer), 4 deleted/extended scenes (Rescue & Recovery, Squandering Government Funds, Cricket Pavilion and Gettler Raises Bond's Suspicions), the Freerunning Chase storyboard sequence, the Catching a Plane: From Storyboard to Screen scene deconstruction, and Chris Cornell's You Know My Name music video. To all this, the Blu-ray Disc will add an exclusive Bonus View Picture-in-Picture visual commentary with Director Martin Campbell and Producer Michael G. Wilson, and Know Your Double-O BD-Live interactive trivia game.
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The total change from the "complete" to the most cut is, based on the DVD Talk review, a mere 22 seconds.

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If this 22 seconds involves action shots, it makes a big difference.

If it was 22 seconds of mere discussion, it probably wouldn't mean much.
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