Should I watch the Superman movies in order?
Ok, I started to rent the HD version of the Superman movies, and stupid Blockbuster shipped Superman 2 first....sheesh. So, do I have to watch them in order or are they kinda like MI or Bond where you can just watch the movie as it is?
I never really seen any of them, only bits and pieces. |
Watch it in order
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Dang...well it looks like I'll be waiting since the original Superman HD is still Coming Soon....
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Just for a second opinion, yes, definitely watch 1 and 2 in order. I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not to watch III and/or IV at all.
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III and IV are stand-alones. But I, II, and Returns should be seen in this order.
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Originally Posted by AJAX
III and IV are stand-alones. But I, II, and Returns should be seen in this order.
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Agreed.
1, 2, Returns (skip 3 & 4) |
Originally Posted by AJAX
III and IV are stand-alones. But I, II, and Returns should be seen in this order.
i would actually modify this a bit and say to watch Superman the movie Superman 2 the richard donner cut Superman Returns as the "superman trilogy" and in that order. skip the rest. you're in for treat!!! dan |
Originally Posted by dishpan
i would actually modify this a bit and say to watch
Superman the movie Superman 2 the richard donner cut Superman Returns as the "superman trilogy" and in that order. skip the rest. you're in for treat!!! dan I can think of 2 things off the top of my head that are included in the Donner cut that make events in SR impossible. Maybe 3 things, depending on how you interpret the ending of the film (which has a pretty wobbily logic). I see the Donner cut as an interesting "what if" experiment. But I don't see how it can replace the theatrical version in the grand scheme of things. |
Well, I think they shipped the Donner Cut, since it's the only one on HD-DVD, correct? I guess I can put that disc off to the side, or just watch it...who knows.
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Originally Posted by bboisvert
I see the Donner cut as an interesting "what if" experiment. But I don't see how it can replace the theatrical version in the grand scheme of things.
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I agree....watch I, II (non Donner), then Returns
Then go back and watch II Donner Cut for something different and 3 if you are bored and 4 if you deserve punishment. |
if you base the superman returns plot off the superman 2 lester plot, it will make no sense. the donner cut is the prequel to superman returns.
and there is no way the lester cut is a better film than the donner cut. the new one is orders of magnitude better. |
I feel that an ultimate cut of Superman 2 would be great. Take the Lester film. Add all the "new" footage from the Donner cut (except the end). Remove the alternate scenes from the Lester version (Lois Jumps in the river, Kal El talking to Lara ect). Stir. Then you have the perfect version of Superman 2.
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Originally Posted by cactusoly
I feel that an ultimate cut of Superman 2 would be great. Take the Lester film. Add all the "new" footage from the Donner cut (except the end). Remove the alternate scenes from the Lester version (Lois Jumps in the river, Kal El talking to Lara ect). Stir. Then you have the perfect version of Superman 2.
its so much more than that though. all the bad comedy is removed, as is the crazy fight stuff (throwing a giant cellophane s shield?). donner turned the 3 kryptonian villains from lame to badass. dan |
Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
Well, I think they shipped the Donner Cut, since it's the only one on HD-DVD, correct? I guess I can put that disc off to the side, or just watch it...who knows.
Ultimately, the answer to your question is that you should definitely see Superman I before Superman II (either version). They are two halves of a whole and I think you'll lose a lot by watching Part 2 first. All of the setup, characterization, and "weight" (for lack of a better term) of the story happens in the first film. Superman III and IV pretty much stand on their own and are a pretty significant drop in quality over I + II. Watch them whenever -- or don't. No biggie either way. Superman Returns was crafted as a direct sequel to the first two films. However, with a new cast and 25-year gap between filming, it isn't a rock-solid connection. Still, it follows the same origin story and look-and-feel of the Chris Reeve films, and it includes one particular signficant plot point from part II. You're better off watching that one 3rd, but keep in mind that there will be a few logical inconsistencies (especially w/the Donner version of II) |
Originally Posted by dishpan
if you base the superman returns plot off the superman 2 lester plot, it will make no sense. the donner cut is the prequel to superman returns.
How does SR "make no sense" when following the Lester plot? The only thing I can think of is Spoiler:
With the Donner cut, you have the problems of: Spoiler:
Originally Posted by dishpan
and there is no way the lester cut is a better film than the donner cut. the new one is orders of magnitude better.
Mine? The Donner cut might have turned out to be orders of magnitude better if it were actually completed in 1980. However, the cut-and-paste job we're stuck with now is not a superior end product (even if certain individual parts do work better). And it makes me appreciate some of the things that Lester brought to the table. The Donner cut actually suffers with some of the Lester stuff removed. |
Originally Posted by bboisvert
Can you please provide even a scrap of evidence that Bryan Singer had even considered the Donner cut when putting together SR? That cut was nothing but a fanboy dream when Dougherty and Harris wrote the script.
Dan edit: maybe it was based on the dick donner superman 2 script? |
Originally Posted by GuessWho
Agreed.
1, 2, Returns (skip 3 & 4) :thumbsup: |
Originally Posted by cisman
I agree....watch I, II (non Donner), then Returns
Then go back and watch II Donner Cut for something different and 3 if you are bored and 4 if you deserve punishment. :thumbsup::thumbsup: |
I would recommend that you watch the lester cut before you watch the donner version. the donner version is like a whole new movie.
Jacob |
Originally Posted by dishpan
edit: maybe it was based on the dick donner superman 2 script?
Spoiler:
That plot device is present in both versions. The Donner cut includes the things I've listed that contradict SR (including an ending that may contradict the item I put in a spoiler above). You said that the Lester cut "makes no sense" as a film prior to SR. What do you mean? |
there is a 1977 script of superman 2. It was written by tom M. they used that script for the donner cut of superman 2.
its online. Jacob |
Originally Posted by dishpan
I've actually read it specifically in an article. I'll try and find it for you.
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