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Filmmaker 11-28-06 08:17 AM

Is Anyone Else Skittish About Buying TV Shows Before They've Finished Their Run?
 
I just couldn't resist picking up THE OFFICE: Season One for $8.99 on Black Friday, and it's been a riot (I never saw these episodes; I got into the show halfway through Season Two), but I can't help but have mixed feelings about this "investment". I'm an in-for-a-penny-in-for-a-pound kind of guy with most of my collection (but I will never, ever own JAWS 3 or 4, dammit), so I'm going to have to keep buying these OFFICE sets as they come out, but I can't help but wonder--what if the show creatively tanks? History is full of promising, even great shows, that completely lost their way somewhere along the path and no one was brave enough to pull the plug before it was too late (ROSEANNE, WILL & GRACE and KING OF QUEENS come immediately to mind; hell, even the last two seasons of THE X-FILES, while not horrible, scream "did we really need this?"). THE OFFICE is the best thing on the air today, but it doesn't strike me as having any more than five years' worth of great material before the bones of the skeleton start to show. What if they run it into the ground and kill the golden goose? Does anyone else share my trepidation at investing in an entire TV show until you know it's quality work from the first episode to the last?

seltzer77 11-28-06 08:29 AM

Even if the show tanks, you still have comedy gold in the dvds you've already purchased.

Additionally, I've used dvd sets as a way to catch up to shows that I missed the first season of when it aired. I didn't want to accept the idea that Prison Break was very good, but I kept hearing great things about it. So, over the summer I picked up season 1 on dvd, and fell in love with it. Now, I watch it every week. Same goes for 24 (although I missed the first 3 seasons, and caught them all on dvd...).

Just a thought...

Simpson Purist 11-28-06 08:49 AM

For sitcoms and comedies, I don't mind not owning all of the seasons because most of the episodes are usually self-contained anyway (except maybe The Office and Arrested Development). So owning just the best seasons won't cause much of a gap in your collection.

Now for serialized TV dramas, I can sympathize because if the last seasons are clunkers, then the reputation of the previous seasons and possibly the entire series could be tainted (i.e. The X-Files).

Michael Corvin 11-28-06 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Simpson Purist
Now for serialized TV dramas, I can sympathize because if the last seasons are clunkers, then the reputation of the previous seasons and possibly the entire series could be tainted (i.e. The X-Files).

I don't buy this argument for a bit. It is thrown around quite often too. The final two seasons of the X-files have NO bearing on my enjoyment of the first 5 or so seasons. Nothing is tainted.

As for the original question, those of us without OCD don't have to have every season just to have them on a shelf. ;)

nemein 11-28-06 09:03 AM

The only thing I usually get skittish about is "investing" in TV DVDs is whether or not they will eventually put everything out on DVD.

cisman 11-28-06 09:26 AM

Sometimes I wonder about this but I never pay full price for TV on DVD. I also waited on Prison Break and when it was 22.99 at CC recently I snagged it. We watched the entire season in a week we were so hooked. Now we've downloaded season 2 from Itunes and are watching it there to catch up before it starts back up in a month or so.

Even if it goes south I can also pop in season 1 and get some enjoyment out of it.

The thing that aggrivates me is when they put of shows that don' t have conclusions. I like closure.

Some that come to mind are: Point Pleasant, Surface, and Invasion.

All of these shows I was into when they were one but they were pulled. They now are charging $50 for unfinsihed seasons.

I enjoyed the shows and would probably pick the up for around $10.00 but no way I"m paying that.

lin 11-28-06 09:52 AM

You can just do what I do - buy the 1st seven seasons of the X-Files and pretend that the show ended when

Spoiler:
Mulder was abducted in the season 7 finale. I just pretend the last two seasons never happened... Mulder was in 1/2 the episodes in Season 8 and virtually non-existant in season 9; Scully was relegated to essentially cameo appearances in the last season; gone was the alien/government conspiracy, only to be replaced with a conspiracy involving some sort of superhuman project; the T-1000 sucked


Sorry for the rant. :)

Damed 11-28-06 09:54 AM

I've decided in most cases to wait until it's all out on DVD, and the studio does the inevitable double-dip in the form of "the complete series" - most notably at a lesser price point and often with exclusive extras (Buffy, MASH, Alias, Friends, The Star Trek series etc etc)

nemein 11-28-06 09:55 AM

Hey lin welcome to DVDtalk :wave: Take some time to look around and see what features are available, in particular you might be interested in the spoiler tag. If you put text between [_spoiler_] [_/spoiler_] w/o the _ you get
Spoiler:
something like this
.

lin 11-28-06 10:04 AM

Nemein -

Wow, that was a lot easier than typing "spolier alert" over and over again. Thanks for the info!

lisadoris 11-28-06 10:30 AM

The quality issues isn't what's making me think twice about TV shows anymore since I don't do any blind buys. Except for a couple shows (Alias, Gilmore Girls, West Wing), I don't buy the DVDs until the show has finished its run so I know what I'm getting into. Gilmore Girls is the only one of the three that I'm rethinking because the arc of the characters just no longer makes sense to me. It's hard to explain but I think watching the earlier seasons makes it harder for me to watch the later ones.

At this point I'm hesitant to buy shows because of the new trend of studios releasing the individual seasons and then releasing a complete set. In the future I might just wait until the entire show is available before I invest in the individual seasons (as long as it's a show I'm sure the studio won't bail out on mid-release).

Rogue588 11-28-06 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by nemein
The only thing I usually get skittish about is "investing" in TV DVDs is whether or not they will eventually put everything out on DVD.

:up:

EdTheRipper 11-28-06 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by nemein
The only thing I usually get skittish about is "investing" in TV DVDs is whether or not they will eventually put everything out on DVD.


I agree. I've got a few shows now where they haven't released any seasons in quite some time. Makes me wonder if they ever will.

Quack 11-28-06 10:54 AM

I can't say I was skittish about getting Malcolm in the Middle....I just wish they would release the rest of the seasons already....

slop101 11-28-06 11:18 AM

How does your enjoyment of what you have now become tainted if they don't put everything out, or if later seasons suck?

If you enjoy what you have now, isn't that enough?

For example, I LOVE Simpsons up to season 12, though I'm lukewarm towards the later seasons, it's not going to stop me from buying and enjoying the ones I like. Or as far as serialized shows, I dig Alias seasons 1 & 2, and felt that 3-5 were shit. I have no problem buying and enjoying the first two seasons and completely skipping the last three. And as far as shows that won't complete their dvd run, not being able to buy the later seasons of NYPD Blue is no reason to not buy and enjoy the first few seasons I already have.

I guess I just don't understand the OP's dilemma.

Sean O'Hara 11-28-06 12:09 PM


How does your enjoyment of what you have now become tainted if they don't put everything out, or if later seasons suck?
Lots of dramatic shows have season ending cliff-hangers, which are pretty useless if you don't have the concluding episode.

For example, the only seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation I'm interested in owning are 3 and 4. But Season 4 ends with the Klingon Civil War 2-parter, so I either end up with one episode I never watch, or I have to buy Season 5. But Season 5 ends with a time travel 2-parter, so I either end up ....

Greg613 11-28-06 12:55 PM

It just never ends does is Sean.

Personally, I don't like to do it because I am afraid that they will eventually come out with a complete series collection. Although, I have bought all of the South Parks as they are released.

sracer 11-28-06 01:07 PM

Nope, I don't worry about it in the least. I'll buy the official releases of a show that interests me, but if they leave me high-and-dry and don't release the remaining seasons, then I know where to go to get the rest. :shrug:

Groucho 11-28-06 01:09 PM

I look at it this way: Jaws is a great movie. The sequels are all poopy. So, the only movie I own from the series is the first.

Likewise, for television shows with good and bad seasons, I only buy the good seasons.

ThatGuamGuy 11-28-06 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I don't buy this argument for a bit. It is thrown around quite often too. The final two seasons of the X-files have NO bearing on my enjoyment of the first 5 or so seasons. Nothing is tainted.

I think the reason it's a popular example is, for many people, the "mythology" episodes used to be really cool, but as that story grew and grew, people realized that Chris Carter (et al) had no plan for where it was going, so it just ballooned into something awkward and weird; then they got rid of Mulder and *still* tried to do mythology stuff, and it became obvious that they were just stretching it out.

The thing is that while 'X-Files' was on, it seemed really cool because of the big story, but now that the big story sucked, people who still watch it only do so for the one-off episodes, which are still very good. I don't think the show has been ruined personally, because I never liked the mythology stuff all that much, but I do see how a lot of episodes are tainted because the promise that they would someday make sense (and be satisfying) remains unfulfilled.

Rogue588 11-28-06 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by nemein
The only thing I usually get skittish about is "investing" in TV DVDs is whether or not they will eventually put everything out on DVD.

Or they might collect them all and release a mega UE box set with a bunch of cool extras..

hindolio 11-28-06 09:53 PM

i agree with most, but now a few of the comments above :)

as for me, i blindly bought the office s1 because it was so cheap, but more because i just finished watching the og bbc version. i highly recommend it and you wont have this problem because the bbc version
Spoiler:
ends after 2 seasons + 1 christmas episode

not sure if that even needed that lol

edit: ack im a numbskull! help me someone!

second edit: thanks for unnumbskulling me RKillgore!

Red Dog 11-28-06 09:55 PM

No. I don't feel any obligation to own complete series sets.

PopcornTreeCt 11-28-06 09:59 PM

I do not own the entire series of any show. Nor do I bother owning every sequel to every movie I have. I don't think it's investing in a show, it's enjoying what you got.

nateman 11-28-06 10:04 PM

im not skittish about it.
i think its nice to have the season come out on dvd right after it was originally broadcasted.
its like a movie.
people can catch up on there favorite show before or shortly after the next season premieres.
even if the show goes to hell (for ex. i picked up my name is earl when it came out sept.19 and i think the show will last about 5 seasons total.)
but still you have that show to watch again and again.
er is still on the air and the dvds are behind but its still nice to own the earlier seasons even if you don't like the show now.
sure they might release everything a million times but at least you own it now.

Filmmaker 11-28-06 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by slop101
I guess I just don't understand the OP's dilemma.

For me, personally (as someone mentioned earlier), when a show goes south along the way, it taints the quality that came before. Whenever I watch a really good early ROSEANNE or WILL & GRACE episode, there's always a melancholy voice in the back of my mind saying "it's such a damn shame this show went in the toilet..." It just makes it hard for me to get enthused about these shows as a whole (from a collecting standpoint) because I see a series as a complete whole, not isolated, individual, not-affected-by- other-episodes seasons/episodes.

slop101 11-29-06 12:14 AM

Then I guess I see it more in a "glass half-full" kinda way, instead of "half-empty" like you.

DVDpackrat 11-29-06 12:29 AM

I can easily cut off a show in my mind. Sex and the City ends for me at season 4 finale. Will and Grace is over at season 3. Friends ends at season 4. Next month when season 6 of ER is released, I'll be done with that. Most shows go down hill for me a couple of years before they finally end. I just pretend those seasons never happened.

pagansoul 11-29-06 01:30 PM

I don't watch TV so the only chance I get to see a TV series is when they come to DVD. Sure I catch a few pieces while I'm at friends homes but I don't get into shows until I sample their first season which I buy very cheap ($10-$20) to test the water. I also find buying old favorites that I remember from TV land as worst than I remember so I have a few first seasons but will not get the rest. I do have all of STOS, STNG, ST-DS9, and the movies but not Voyager or Enterprise. If I come across the entire sets real cheap I would get them. The way my brain works is that even bad Sci-Fi is better than comedy sitcoms or even drama.

SterlingBen 11-29-06 04:20 PM

I didn't used to be but then I bought Farscape, all as they came out (non-Starburst editions)
Now I really really hate ADV
I spent about 660 dollars buying them all individually right when they came out
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6...2785lb1.th.jpg
41 DVDs in 26 sets (plus the movie) it takes up nearly a whole shelf

once all the starbursts are out they'll prob have a box for cheap with all the extra features I didn't get in my original version

so now I never ever buy a tv show untill it is all out (it hurts for lost and bsg but it'll be worth it)

DVDMagic 11-29-06 04:48 PM

I'm hit and miss with some things.

For example, 'The X Files. When I used to live in England we were always behind episode wise to what was shown here in the US so I would always tape and watch them. Then I moved to the US and my wife would get them for me for Xmas and birthday because it had been a while since I had seen them. At the point I moved here it was probably around season 7 and for one erason or another just stopped wtahcing the show and it actually didn't have anything to do with the show itself. Therefore when the original sets dropped in price and I was able to snatch them up at Costco for $40 a piece I just hadto because I had yet to see them and I didn't want to buy the newer slim packed versions because the ones I already owned for the oriinal releases and I'm kind of a sucker for special features.

'Medium' is a show that my wife and I started to get into but due to work could never watch the episodes in chronological order so when the first 2 seasons were relased we snapped them up so we could watch them and catch up on everything.

As for 'Scrubs', I just love that show and the writing so have to get those ones when they get released.

'24' - I watched the first season and since then have waited until the following seasons were released on DVD before watching them. Seasons 2-4 I used Netflix for and I believe that my wife may have picked them up at Target recently for $16 a piece, and now I can't wait for Season 5 which I'm sure I'll get for Xmas.

printerati 11-29-06 05:19 PM

The only one that concerns me is Lost, and only because I've heard the horror stories about the later seasons of Abrams' previous project (I've never watched an episode of Alias). I don't expect The Office to take a nosedive.

For something like The Simpsons, I have no problem collecting only the seasons that I enjoyed as a whole (which, coincidentally, correspond to the "heads" cases).

Albert71292 11-29-06 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by nemein
The only thing I usually get skittish about is "investing" in TV DVDs is whether or not they will eventually put everything out on DVD.

I can relate to that. After over three years, I'm STILL waiting for season 2 of both "Happy Days" and "Mork & Mindy".

bboisvert 11-29-06 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by lisadoris
Except for a couple shows (Alias, Gilmore Girls, West Wing), I don't buy the DVDs until the show has finished its run so I know what I'm getting into.

But then you just get burned again when they put out a "complete' collection with fancy packaging, cheaper pricetag, and bonus content -- like both Alias and the West Wing did. :)

tbwmp88 11-30-06 02:11 PM

I have Smallville upto s3 and resisted buying the rest, even at very cheap prices for the same reason as OP.

tonyc3742 11-30-06 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by bboisvert
But then you just get burned again when they put out a "complete' collection with fancy packaging, cheaper pricetag, and bonus content -- like both Alias and the West Wing did. :)

But that's the case for virtually everything...almost everything, especially technology, can be found better, cheaper, later. My PS1 which cost hundreds, what, 7 years ago, I could probably find a later version of it for 20 bucks at a garage sale.
If it's a show I like, I usually will try to collect each season, because though the seasons may vary in quality, generally there are some keepers in every season. I have started waiting till the first or second price drop, though, unless I can get a good price release week.

Easy 12-01-06 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Simpson Purist
For sitcoms and comedies, I don't mind not owning all of the seasons because most of the episodes are usually self-contained anyway (except maybe The Office and Arrested Development). So owning just the best seasons won't cause much of a gap in your collection.

Now for serialized TV dramas, I can sympathize because if the last seasons are clunkers, then the reputation of the previous seasons and possibly the entire series could be tainted (i.e. The X-Files).

I agree with you on the sitcoms. As for serialized dramas, it really gets me when they just end the show with no satisfactory conclusion to the series. I absolutely hate that and refuse to buy a series that just abruptly ends without wrapping up existing story-lines. For that reason, I usually avoid buying them when the are still on the air. There are exceptions. For example, Veronica Mars concludes the season's storyline with the season. I happily purchased both seasons.

JediMindTricks 12-01-06 11:42 AM

i bought alias seasons 1 and 2 and lost season 1 and rented grey's anatomy 1 and 2 to catch up. i don't really have a problem with buying tv shows before the series are over. i just try to catch up as much as i can so i can follow the story line.

Rainet 12-01-06 01:36 PM

I wonder if there are any plans of releasing The X-Files Complete series on dvd.

metaridley 12-02-06 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by slop101
How does your enjoyment of what you have now become tainted if they don't put everything out, or if later seasons suck?

If you enjoy what you have now, isn't that enough?

For example, I LOVE Simpsons up to season 12, though I'm lukewarm towards the later seasons, it's not going to stop me from buying and enjoying the ones I like. Or as far as serialized shows, I dig Alias seasons 1 & 2, and felt that 3-5 were shit. I have no problem buying and enjoying the first two seasons and completely skipping the last three. And as far as shows that won't complete their dvd run, not being able to buy the later seasons of NYPD Blue is no reason to not buy and enjoy the first few seasons I already have.

I guess I just don't understand the OP's dilemma.

I'm with you on this one. I buy my TV DVDs one set at a time, and only keep the seasons I'll rewatch again and again (which usually are the first five seasons). Completely agree about Alias and the bizarre dilemma of the OP.

As for shows currently on the air, it's pretty simple: I'll continue buying each newly-released season on DVD until I get to one that I don't like, and then stop.


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