Star Wars OT Non SE 09.12.06 PART 2
#226
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That's why I recorded it and fast-forwarded to the spot. It used to be called The ScreenSavers I think, and was pretty good. It's slowly (de)evolved into the beast you saw last night. The last straw was getting rid of the previous two female hosts, they at least had a shred of credibility about them. This new chick is just not acceptable.
Bill Hunt tried to put up a good fight, but that massive tool Griffin nearly made me ill with his Lucas-toadying.
Bill Hunt tried to put up a good fight, but that massive tool Griffin nearly made me ill with his Lucas-toadying.
As for the new chick, she's the only good reason to watch the show. Nice eye candy!
I think I own every laserdisc version of the original trilogy, including the Pioneer Japan versions and I have a Pioneer Elite laserdisc player and believe me these DVDs look alot better. I also own at least 10 bootleg/fan made DVDs including several anamorphic versions and this is the best the original trilogy has looked so far and it may stay that way.
Last edited by Terrell; 09-14-06 at 02:13 AM.
#229
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Originally Posted by Terrell
Maybe so! But Hunt lost any credibility he had because he obviously didn't take his head out of his ass long enough to actually watch the DVDs and compare them to the LDs. If he had, he would have known the DVDs look noticeably better than the LDs and much better than the bootlegs, despite the fact they're not anamorphic. Instead he bitched and moaned claiming that the bootlegs were as good as the transfers on the official release, and that's a bunch bullsh*t.
This is the year 2006, we may not have our flying cars we were promised all those years ago, but I sure as hell expect an anamorphic transfer on my DVDs.
#230
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Originally Posted by MontyPythonFan
So what? That still doesn't make these aged transfers acceptable. This release is nowhere near DVD quality.
I'm not going to over-compensate for that hyperbole by saying that these are the best they could/should be... because they are not. But they are definitely DVD quality... whatever THAT means.
Originally Posted by milo bloom
I think George Lucas lost any credibility he had when he released a 13 year old telecine on DVD, and anybody that defends these transfers because they're "better than the LD's/bootlegs" has absolutely no credibility in my book.
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I think George Lucas lost any credibility he had when he released a 13 year old telecine on DVD, and anybody that defends these transfers because they're "better than the LD's/bootlegs" has absolutely no credibility in my book.
I think there are a number of people who would be pleased with this release as an upgrade to their VHS or LD copies who may be scared away from it by people claiming "it's worse than the bootlegs," or "it's crappy," or are listening to the unsubstantiated rumors that an updated, anamorphic transfer of these films is a real possibility any time soon.
I think it's important to keep perspective, and remember that these "bonus" DVDs, while far below current DVD standards and disrespectful of one of the most popular and successful film trilogies ever, is still better than any other version that has been released or possibly will ever be released.
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But it still sucks when you have a 16x9 TV.
#234
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
I'm don't think most people here are defending Lucasfilm's decision to use a 13-year old non-anamorphic transfer. That was a horrible decision, any way you slice it. I do think people are trying to defend the transfer itself, in that it's not as bad as some people are trying to claim it is, and it's really the best quality version of the OUT on video so far.
It's all hogwash, and I can't see there being any reasonable defense for it.
(And if they truly believe that about anamorphic enhancement, then I am doubly purposed to correct them.)
Originally Posted by Jay G.
I think there are a number of people who would be pleased with this release as an upgrade to their VHS or LD copies who may be scared away from it by people claiming "it's worse than the bootlegs," or "it's crappy," or are listening to the unsubstantiated rumors that an updated, anamorphic transfer of these films is a real possibility any time soon.
I think it's important to keep perspective, and remember that these "bonus" DVDs, while far below current DVD standards and disrespectful of one of the most popular and successful film trilogies ever, is still better than any other version that has been released or possibly will ever be released.
I think it's important to keep perspective, and remember that these "bonus" DVDs, while far below current DVD standards and disrespectful of one of the most popular and successful film trilogies ever, is still better than any other version that has been released or possibly will ever be released.
#235
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Originally Posted by Dvdlovr24
But it still sucks when you have a 16x9 TV.
I just feel I shouldn't have to plunk down a couple thou just to watch the goddamm Star Wars trilogy.
If I had a different rig like some of the people that can zoom or scale this, would I be singing a different tune? Maybe, but I've committed myself to this, and I'm not wavering.
#236
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Originally Posted by Dvdlovr24
But it still sucks when you have a 16x9 TV.
#238
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I just feel I shouldn't have to plunk down a couple thou just to watch the goddamm Star Wars trilogy.
Also, you said you can zoom in on your TV, just not when the DVD player's outputting a progressive signal. It's unfortunate that you can't have the best of both worlds, but saying you have to "plunk down a couple thou just to watch the goddamm Star Wars trilogy" is a bit of an exaggeration.
#239
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Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead
if my Sony Wega has a 16x9 setting, along with 4:3 Letterbox and 4:3 Pan and Scan, does that mean I have a 16x9 tv that you all speak of?
#240
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Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead
if my Sony Wega has a 16x9 setting, along with 4:3 Letterbox and 4:3 Pan and Scan, does that mean I have a 16x9 tv that you all speak of?
#241
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Here's a fun hypothetical:
So the current "bonus" discs are the equivalent of DVD-quality circa 1997-1998 for many studios.
If Lucas had released these in 1998 by themselves without doing any work, do you think fans would have praised him for it, given they would have met the standards of the time (more or less)?
If he had did it this way, he would have thwarted the bootleg market pretty early, and he could say "I already gave you these on DVD". There are still many films on DVD that have not been re-released since the early days (True Lies).
Surely people would be looking for remasters of them by now if it had happened that way, but that doesn't mean he would have felt obligated to do it.
I guess my point is it probably wouldn't be as hard to swallow if we had lived with these discs for 8 years, rather than get something today that barely met DVD standards 8 years ago.
So the current "bonus" discs are the equivalent of DVD-quality circa 1997-1998 for many studios.
If Lucas had released these in 1998 by themselves without doing any work, do you think fans would have praised him for it, given they would have met the standards of the time (more or less)?
If he had did it this way, he would have thwarted the bootleg market pretty early, and he could say "I already gave you these on DVD". There are still many films on DVD that have not been re-released since the early days (True Lies).
Surely people would be looking for remasters of them by now if it had happened that way, but that doesn't mean he would have felt obligated to do it.
I guess my point is it probably wouldn't be as hard to swallow if we had lived with these discs for 8 years, rather than get something today that barely met DVD standards 8 years ago.
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Wow. Now I know that I've been out-of-the-loop the past 4 or 5 months(btw, thanks for the constant emails and well wishes) and I realize that kayaking whitewater and rivers has become my new summer mistress....but I'm to understand that the new OT's are 4:3 letterboxed? So....it's going to be just like the original Planet of the Apes release...."widescreen in a box"?
No sale, kids. Not even if you held a magnum to my skull.
And don't worry all those concerned....my library and films will once agin be my nasty slut once winter arrives.
No sale, kids. Not even if you held a magnum to my skull.
And don't worry all those concerned....my library and films will once agin be my nasty slut once winter arrives.
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
If Lucas had released these in 1998 by themselves without doing any work, do you think fans would have praised him for it, given they would have met the standards of the time (more or less)?
...if he hadn't said that the VHS release a few years earlier was the last chance to own the originals.
#244
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Originally Posted by gutwrencher
Wow. Now I know that I've been out-of-the-loop the past 4 or 5 months(btw, thanks for the constant emails and well wishes) and I realize that kayaking whitewater and rivers has become my new summer mistress....but I'm to understand that the new OT's are 4:3 letterboxed? So....it's going to be just like the original Planet of the Apes release...."widescreen in a box"?
No sale, kids. Not even if you held a magnum to my skull.
And don't worry all those concerned....my library and films will once agin be my nasty slut once winter arrives.
No sale, kids. Not even if you held a magnum to my skull.
And don't worry all those concerned....my library and films will once agin be my nasty slut once winter arrives.
#245
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Here's a fun hypothetical:
So the current "bonus" discs are the equivalent of DVD-quality circa 1997-1998 for many studios.
If Lucas had released these in 1998 by themselves without doing any work, do you think fans would have praised him for it, given they would have met the standards of the time (more or less)?
If he had did it this way, he would have thwarted the bootleg market pretty early, and he could say "I already gave you these on DVD". There are still many films on DVD that have not been re-released since the early days (True Lies).
Surely people would be looking for remasters of them by now if it had happened that way, but that doesn't mean he would have felt obligated to do it.
I guess my point is it probably wouldn't be as hard to swallow if we had lived with these discs for 8 years, rather than get something today that barely met DVD standards 8 years ago.
So the current "bonus" discs are the equivalent of DVD-quality circa 1997-1998 for many studios.
If Lucas had released these in 1998 by themselves without doing any work, do you think fans would have praised him for it, given they would have met the standards of the time (more or less)?
If he had did it this way, he would have thwarted the bootleg market pretty early, and he could say "I already gave you these on DVD". There are still many films on DVD that have not been re-released since the early days (True Lies).
Surely people would be looking for remasters of them by now if it had happened that way, but that doesn't mean he would have felt obligated to do it.
I guess my point is it probably wouldn't be as hard to swallow if we had lived with these discs for 8 years, rather than get something today that barely met DVD standards 8 years ago.
If you'll find the part one of this thread, I say pretty much what you're saying. I think Lucas could have kept a lot of this bitching at bay if he had released something, anything in 98 or so, or whenever he did the SEs on LD and VHS.
And yes, I know he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, but you gotta admit it would have been awful nice of him to do something like that.
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
Admittedly, a lot of folks are saying it's decent quality, so it's up to you.
No way, George.
#247
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Returned mine to Wal-Mart and got a refund with no questions asked. Wal-Mart will accept just about any line you shoot them.
#248
Originally Posted by MontyPythonFan
So what? That still doesn't make these aged transfers acceptable. This release is nowhere near DVD quality.
shown, like the lead up to Mos Eisley. The center of the picture is yellowed with
age. These don't look good at all. I just don't understand these defensive
comments when they look this bad. Maybe if they're watching them on a
PSP
#249
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I've been trying to keep up with the discussion, but may have missed some replies. Does anybody have pointers to bit-rate discussions? Are the original transfers on single or dual-layer discs?
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Originally Posted by Peep
I've been trying to keep up with the discussion, but may have missed some replies. Does anybody have pointers to bit-rate discussions? Are the original transfers on single or dual-layer discs?
I read somewhere else the movie files are about 7 gig, so that's an automatic dual layer.