"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Part 2" 20th Ann. SE DVD [merge]
05-23-06, 11:25 AM
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This IS Sony we're talking about...but since they are releasing the director's cut of FROM BEYOND this year, I'll give them a bit of clout (but not much until they bring back the MIDNIGHT MOVIES series).
05-23-06, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by snorlaxnut
The movie came out a few years before the NC-17 rating. When I saw TV commercials for the movie it had a "Due to scenes of violence, no one under 17 admitted." warning like they did with TV commercials for the original Dawn Of The Dead, & Day Of The Dead.
When I saw it in 1990, I thought it was more of a dark comedy than a regular horror movie.
When I saw it in 1990, I thought it was more of a dark comedy than a regular horror movie.
05-23-06, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Without being technical nor starting a debate, doesn't this essentially make the movie NC-17?
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05-23-06, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by L Chabert Lover
but word is that almost a dozen members of the cast and crew, including stars Bill Moseley and Caroline Williams and FX creator Tom Savini, are all contributing their memories in new interviews and/or feature commentaries.
05-23-06, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by L Chabert Lover
but word is that almost a dozen members of the cast and crew, including stars Bill Moseley and Caroline Williams and FX creator Tom Savini, are all contributing their memories in new interviews and/or feature commentaries.
05-24-06, 12:10 AM
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I'm a big fan of, "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2," and I consider it to be highly underrated. It's one of my favourite horror movies and I will definitely be picking this up. I'd probably sell my original DVD release of this film, but I got Bill Moseley to sign it, two years ago at the Rue-Morgue Festival of Fear.
05-24-06, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
Fuck Kevin Smith! I want a Joe Bob Briggs commentary!
Agreed!I sat through I Spit on Your Grave (TWICE!), because I Like Joe Bob Briggs so much.
I could give a rat's ass what Kevin Smith thinks.
05-24-06, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
Agreed!I sat through I Spit on Your Grave (TWICE!), because I Like Joe Bob Briggs so much.
I could give a rat's ass what Kevin Smith thinks.
That Joe Bob Briggs commentary is the funniest I've ever heard.
05-25-06, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel L
What is the deal with these Kevin Smith commentaries on B movies? What, he's a movie fan?
Originally Posted by Daniel L
He's obviously a fan of cheeseburgers as well, yet I have yet to see him on a McDonald's commercial.
Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
I could give a rat's ass what Kevin Smith thinks.
05-25-06, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DonnachaOne
He's an eminently qualified speaker who more than deserves to be on the DVD, however.
05-25-06, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by i86time
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't see how you can just say he deserves to do the commentary on it without any justification (other than he's a qualified speaker). If they were to offer a commentary to anyone who was not intimately linked with the production of this film, the #1 choice would be Joe Bob Briggs, hands down (yeah I know he was in a deleted scene) due to his place in the drive-in culture and past commentary work. I can't imagine someone who likes this film would see this dvd on the shelf, think to themself they like it but don't really want it, then in a 'Mini Trucker Magazine' moment see Smith does a commentary, grab it and run to the checkstand. Putting Smith on there is just a gimmick to get that person who loves his work (but would otherwise not be interested in this film) to buy it. Maybe if there were an interview out there (is there?) where Smith professed his love for this film or what impact it had on him, I might be inclined to accept the choice....
05-25-06, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by d2cheer
Personally I don't care who does it but your argument for justification is a little weak... Smith is a qualified filmmaker (open to argument I know) where Briggs is just a person with an opinion on bad movies (open to argument again). Both have done equally entertaining commentaries, but just because someone is an authority on "offbeat" movies does not give him justification over someone who has made movies.
Smith, on the other hand, has made a bunch of movies, none of which were horror. Off-hand, I believe he has never worked with any of the principals involved in TCM 2, nor has he shown any expertise that I've seen regarding the film or its players. You can therefore safely categorize him with thousands of other directors with the identical creditials.
Who sounds more qualified?
Beyond that, the idea that a filmmaker is inherently more qualified to do a commentary over someone who is "just a person" (because they have committed the grave crime of never being a director) is absurd. The general experience of having been a director gives a person no special qualities. I'll take a well-informed and well-connected ("just a") person who has long career as a writer and TV host (hint: he knows how to entertain and inform through his spoken voice speaking his self-written words) for a commentary any day over someone who thinks that have earned themselves a gold star because they made some movies that have nothing to do with the film on which they will be commenting. There are a whole lot of people who never directed a movie in their lives who have much more to say, and can say it in a more interesting way, than probably the majority of directors out there.
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05-25-06, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by i86time
I can't imagine someone who likes this film would see this dvd on the shelf, think to themself they like it but don't really want it, then in a 'Mini Trucker Magazine' moment see Smith does a commentary, grab it and run to the checkstand.
05-25-06, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by d2cheer
... just because someone is an authority on "offbeat" movies does not give him justification over someone who has made movies.
05-25-06, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by i86time
I won't repeat the sentiments of djtoell, as they closely fit what I was trying to say, but I'll leave you with this question. How absurd would it be if Criterion announced commentaries by Uwe Boll would be replacing those of the critics and film scholars of their releases by Kurosawa, Bergman and Welles?
05-25-06, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
I think TCM2 is just short of being a great horror film. My love for the first one combined with the different tone of the sequel turned me off slightly. I have seen it 2 or 3 times and probably wouldn't purchase it unless Smith was involved. Smith’s commentary changes this from a rent to a buy for me.
05-25-06, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
I agree that Briggs would be a better fit for the commentary but Kevin Smith didn't "Replace" anyone. It isn't like they had a Briggs commentary on and removed it. If you don't want to listen to the Smith commentary then don't.
05-25-06, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by i86time
Well, I stand corrected. I don't understand someone buying a disc for a commentary by someone that had nothing to do with the film, but at least I know I'm wrong now. I'll guess we'll see what he has to offer.
My purchase won't be based just on the commentary. I will probobly watch the movie 2-3 times in the next 20 years, listen to the actor's commentary once, and watch all of the special features once. I will listen to the Smith commentary 2-3 times as well. It is just the thing that pushes this release up from a rental to a buy for me.
05-25-06, 06:02 PM
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I'm not going to say whether or not Kevin Smith is qualified to do a commentary on TCM2, but it makes about as much sense as letting Tobe Hooper do a commentary track on the Chasing Amy 10th Anniversary Edition.
05-25-06, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
My purchase won't be based just on the commentary...It is just the thing that pushes this release up from a rental to a buy for me.
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05-25-06, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eddiemunster
I'm not going to say whether or not Kevin Smith is qualified to do a commentary on TCM2, but it makes about as much sense as letting Tobe Hooper do a commentary track on the Chasing Amy 10th Anniversary Edition.
In fact, it would pique my interest more.
It makes more sense than it first appears...
05-25-06, 09:03 PM
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Filmmaker Vincent Pereira, a friend of Kevin Smith's, read this thread and had this to say. Hopefully it clears up things for a few curious parties.
Originally Posted by Vincent Pereira
I'm not a registered member of the DVD Talk forums, but as to the folks questioning why Kevin might be doing a TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2 commentary, I can answer that.
A month or so ago, while having one of my usualy telephone conversations with my good friend Don May (president of Synapse Films, A BETTER PLACE's DVD distributor), he mentioned that a mutual friend of ours, Mike Felsher, who used to work with Anchor Bay was currently working with MGM on putting together a special edition of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART 2. Now, I was well aware of what a big fan of this film Kevin is- we've talked about the film personally many times, Kevin has mentioned the film during interviews (see his Geekdrome podcast, for example), and I remember on one of Kevin's first trips to LA circa when CLERKS was first being released having a conversation with Kevin and he was all excited because he got to meet and talk with L.M. Kit Carson, the writer of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2. Kevin is simply a HUGE fan of the film, and there are few of us out there. Most folks toss it off as a failure.
SO, when Don let me in on the upcoming special edition, I mentioned to Don what a huge fan of the film Kevin was, and that he might be interested in being on the DVD in some fassion. Don passed that info onto Mike Felsher, and Mike got in touch with me and said Sony/MGM was keen on the idea. I then e-mailed Kevin with the idea, and he was hot to do it, too (I believe the wording of his response to me was, "Absolutely- I love that film!"), and since he has a pre-existing relationship with Sony (DOGMA and the EVENING WITH KEVIN SMITH dvds), everything fell into place.
This is simply about somebody who is a pretty well-known personality who appreciates a film that not a lot of people do wanting to get involved to perhaps help turn the tide in how THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2 has been viewed all this time. That's a bad thing?
Even if those folks at DVD Talk don't like Kevin or his commentaries, they're still getting a new anamorphic transfer and lots of other extras. They don't HAVE to listen to the commentary if they don't want to, so why bitch? If Kevin's appreciation of this thus far largely panned film helps it get the respect some of us believe it so richly deserves, and win some new fans to boot, all the better.
Vincent
A month or so ago, while having one of my usualy telephone conversations with my good friend Don May (president of Synapse Films, A BETTER PLACE's DVD distributor), he mentioned that a mutual friend of ours, Mike Felsher, who used to work with Anchor Bay was currently working with MGM on putting together a special edition of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART 2. Now, I was well aware of what a big fan of this film Kevin is- we've talked about the film personally many times, Kevin has mentioned the film during interviews (see his Geekdrome podcast, for example), and I remember on one of Kevin's first trips to LA circa when CLERKS was first being released having a conversation with Kevin and he was all excited because he got to meet and talk with L.M. Kit Carson, the writer of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2. Kevin is simply a HUGE fan of the film, and there are few of us out there. Most folks toss it off as a failure.
SO, when Don let me in on the upcoming special edition, I mentioned to Don what a huge fan of the film Kevin was, and that he might be interested in being on the DVD in some fassion. Don passed that info onto Mike Felsher, and Mike got in touch with me and said Sony/MGM was keen on the idea. I then e-mailed Kevin with the idea, and he was hot to do it, too (I believe the wording of his response to me was, "Absolutely- I love that film!"), and since he has a pre-existing relationship with Sony (DOGMA and the EVENING WITH KEVIN SMITH dvds), everything fell into place.
This is simply about somebody who is a pretty well-known personality who appreciates a film that not a lot of people do wanting to get involved to perhaps help turn the tide in how THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2 has been viewed all this time. That's a bad thing?
Even if those folks at DVD Talk don't like Kevin or his commentaries, they're still getting a new anamorphic transfer and lots of other extras. They don't HAVE to listen to the commentary if they don't want to, so why bitch? If Kevin's appreciation of this thus far largely panned film helps it get the respect some of us believe it so richly deserves, and win some new fans to boot, all the better.
Vincent