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MovieExchange 05-19-06 06:10 PM

Police raid Michigan comic convention, shut down DVD bootlegs
 
Just got a call from a friend attending the Motor City Comic Con in Novi, Michigan today. Over the last several years, the convention has lessened the emphasis on comics and increased promotion of media personalities, and along with that came a slew of VHS and later DVD dealers, all packed with bootlegs of both current theatrical releases and TV shows / movies that aren't available on DVD legally.

My friend called me a few hours ago, and told me that the police raided the show, and all the dealers selling bootlegs were cuffed and lined up to be taken away.

Personally, I'm amazed this didn't happen sooner. There have been a large number of bootleg dealers at that convention for at least 10 years now.

rw2516 05-19-06 06:29 PM

I'm also suprised it hasn't happened sooner. Don't know about now but it used to be illegal to sell movie posters. Posters were the property of Screen Service Corporation and were to be returned to them or destroyed by the theater after a movie closed. If not they were considered stolen property. I was at a comic show about 25 years ago and the FBI came in and confiscated all the posters from the dealers. Don't remember anyone getting arrested though.

milo bloom 05-19-06 06:31 PM

Attention all murderers, rapists and drug dealers in Novi, MI: here's your chance!



:rolleyes:

Breakfast with Girls 05-19-06 06:37 PM

Good.

Joe Molotov 05-19-06 07:20 PM

About time they got those dangerous Star Was Holiday Special dealers off the street.

PixyJunket 05-19-06 07:43 PM

Fucking awesome!

TomOpus 05-19-06 07:49 PM

Last year at Comic-Con during Preview Night, I saw a large table loaded with boots. Next day the same table had another vendor selling authorized merchandise. I was all giggly that those asshats were shutdown fairly quickly.

Peep 05-19-06 08:09 PM

I heard that bootleggers who sell out of print or unreleased titles often reduce the chances of offical releases by softening the market.

Maybe that a misperception, but who is going to buy the rights to a title if they think it's readily available as a bootleg?

MovieExchange 05-19-06 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Peep
I heard that bootleggers who sell out of print or unreleased titles often reduce the chances of offical releases by softening the market.

Maybe that a misperception, but who is going to buy the rights to a title if they think it's readily available as a bootleg?


Yeah, but the return argument is that many of the times these items are bootlegged when it seems that there is no hope of them ever being out legally. For example, the Adam West Batman series. DC Comics has pretty much said that there is no way in hell this is coming out. So to be honest, I have to problem buying a bootleg of it. Of course, I'm also in the minority of people that would buy a legal release when it came out even though I had a boot.

Misery 05-19-06 09:05 PM

What a shame.All the bootleggers will have to go back to Ebay to sell thier junk.

digitalfreaknyc 05-19-06 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by milo bloom
Attention all murderers, rapists and drug dealers in Novi, MI: here's your chance!



:rolleyes:

:up:

zombiezilla 05-19-06 09:26 PM

MovieExchange, I agree with you. If USA distributors/studios will not release certain films I want in R1 (see my user name for a hint at what film series I'm mainly referring to), I'll buy a pirated copy easily, especially if I cannot get the alternate region release, or if there isn't one. Of course, as you said, I would also buy the legit version should it ever become available.
EXAMPLE: I want a movie I'll refer to as "G1985" on legit DVD, but it's not out in America, only Europe and Asia. I found a guy (on eBay, natch) who had a FOUR DISC SET for sale. It came with the widescreen original language version with (removeable) English subs; the Widescreen English international version (although in English, unseen in the USA); and the USA version, in English and fullscreen (shudder). The 4th disc was all the extras from the damn LASERDISC! It was such a good and perfect collection, the likes of which I would make for myself, if I had the equipment/access to the discs. But I do not, so I bought it directly from him at a lesser price than what the auction commanded. I cut out the man (eBay) and got it for less $$$, to boot!
Were ANY of the versions in my current set released in the USA, I'd buy them. Even if they were no better than this pirate copy.

And, NOOOO I am not selling, trading, or swapping DVDs here. Just making a statement.

And, some of you may remember that I used to live in Michigan....I always attended this show, both the late spring/early summer and the autumn shows. And I always walked away with a bag of DVDs....several of which eventually got replaced with the legit release, if they came out....but most did not.

............

The Video Dead 05-19-06 10:25 PM

If i got a chance to pickup some old tv shows that will never get a release date.....


ala Salute your shorts, Doug, My Brother and Me, Martin, Wonder Years, You Can't Do That On Television, Ahhh Real Monsters etc.


I think these places need to really get on the ball with releasing old tv shows that alot of fans want.

MasterCXtreme 05-19-06 10:32 PM

Michigan cops are dicks. And that's no threadcrap people, that's a fact.

zombiezilla 05-19-06 10:42 PM

MasterCXtreme, you got that right, for sure!

Lastdaysofrain 05-20-06 08:06 AM

What a collosall waste of man power and tax dollars. I honestly see nothing wrong with selling bootlegs of things that aren't commercially available. I think it's lame to sell bootlegs of films in theatres, but stuff that's rare or hard to find? Who cares.

This is a worse waste of manpower, tax dollars, and police than the war on drugs. Fight some legit crime people.

John Sinnott 05-20-06 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by MasterCXtreme
Michigan cops are dicks. And that's no threadcrap people, that's a fact.

"There are three types of people in the world: dicks, pussies and assholes."


Kudos to the cops too! I'm glad they are enforcing the laws instead of sitting at a donut shop.

Egon's Ghost 05-20-06 08:28 AM

Even if something isn't on DVD, I just have a problem paying more than $.10 for a bootleg. How in the hell can a website like DVDavenue.tv exist? Everything there is a bootleg. Full series sets of The Addams Family. Um, yeah. $100 for something that was ripped from TV Land?! To quote James Caan, "f*ck you in your a$$hole!" Why aren't they raided?


Originally Posted by Lastdaysofrain
What a collossal waste of man power and tax dollars.

So we shouldn't have intellectual property laws?

GIjon213 05-20-06 08:51 AM

I, for one, am glad this happened. There are so many people I know who say that they collect DVD's. I then ask them what one's they have, do they have any limited editions, etc... And they then proudly tell me that all 300 DVD's they have are burned! And they think that they collect DVD's?! No, they don't collect DVD's, they steal them. It is like someone hoarding those gold chocolate coins and saying that they are a coin collector. I have only ever bought one bootleg DVD, and that was off Ebay by accident. But you know what? I learned so much about who and where to buy from, checking feedback, asking questions, etc... that that one bootleg purchase was worth the lessons learned. To all those who think that the cops are wasting their time, I think that they are doing their job.

TomOpus 05-20-06 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Lastdaysofrain
What a collosall waste of man power and tax dollars. I honestly see nothing wrong with selling bootlegs of things that aren't commercially available.

You don't think it's wrong only because you don't own the rights to property that could be copied and sold.

MovieExchange 05-20-06 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by TomOpus
You don't think it's wrong only because you don't own the rights to property that could be copied and sold.

What about situations where the person that owns the rights apparently, for whatever reason, just doesn't want to make money off the property?

As I've mentioned before, the Batman TV series.

Or better yet, Tick: the Animated Series. Here we thought we were going to get a season set, and now we find out that the official release is going to be a "best of" collection instead. Or Song of the South, which keeps getting blocked by the politically correct police.

Don't get me wrong, I despise boots of things that we know will be coming out on DVD legally. As someone that sells DVD's for a living, nothing gets me more pissed than when a customer comes in and tells me they don't need to pay $10 for a previously viewed copy of King Kong because their friend burned it for them. But when it's something that will not see an official release for whatever reason? If I want to see it, I'll buy it.

wewantflair 05-20-06 09:44 AM

It's still their firm right to withold their property from the public, even if the public wants it. We may not like it, but profiting from someone else's property, even if they choose not to, is wrong.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 05-20-06 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by MovieExchange
What about situations where the person that owns the rights apparently, for whatever reason, just doesn't want to make money off the property?


They are more than welcome to release it to everyone for free if they don't want to make money from it.

Reservoir 05-20-06 10:26 AM

Send them to Guantanamo Bay.

Russell S 05-20-06 10:45 AM

Cops raiding a comic book convention? Come on. I'm all for cracking down on current releases, copies of legit releases, etc, but stuff that may never get a release or cases where companies drag their feet, you'd better believe I'll pick up a bootleg. I've cherished my From Beyond and Dellamorte Dellamore boots for years. I may never have even seen these had I waited patiently on the official releases.

Shagrath 05-20-06 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Russell S
I've cherished my From Beyond and Dellamorte Dellamore boots for years. I may never have even seen these had I waited patiently on the official releases.

...And I've cherished my official Italian Dellamorte Dellamore for years. Just because it's not out here doesn't mean it's not available. You can always go region-free and find almost anything released somewhere in the world. From Beyond has been officially released in Hong Kong, Germany, and possibly others.

naitram 05-20-06 11:24 AM

Stupid. Go catch some terrorists.

xage 05-20-06 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Misery
What a shame.All the bootleggers will have to go back to Ebay to sell thier junk.


And you are one of those who would fall for and buy it?

filmfreak 05-20-06 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by wewantflair
It's still their firm right to withold their property from the public, even if the public wants it. We may not like it, but profiting from someone else's property, even if they choose not to, is wrong.

They should release these DVDs and the problem would be resolved. Look. Iím not condoning bootleg DVDs, but what are the studios waiting for? You want to kill piracy...release the damn movies.

grundle 05-20-06 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by MovieExchange
bootlegs of both current theatrical releases and TV shows


I'm glad the cops raided them for that.

However, for stuff that is decades old and has never been released on DVD, where the owner of the copyright has no intention of ever releasing a DVD, I think copyright law should allow people to make copies for their friends. When the owner of the copyright isn't trying to make money off of it, I don't see any reason to enforce copyright laws.

Sometimes bootlegs are the only way to prevent classic work from disappearing forever.

rexinnih 05-20-06 12:36 PM

It's against the law. 'Nuff said.
You wouldn't steal a car, would you? Except if you were in Michigan right now, where you can get away with it because the cops are raiding comic conventions..........

Russell S 05-20-06 12:37 PM

Shagrath -

I AM region-free, just wasn't at the time. But just because these may be available in other regions doesn't make my argument null and void. Monster Squad, anyone?

And don't think for a second they wouldn't love to keep you from buying an import.

MovieExchange 05-20-06 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by wewantflair
It's still their firm right to withold their property from the public, even if the public wants it. We may not like it, but profiting from someone else's property, even if they choose not to, is wrong.

You're right, it's still wrong. But we all have different levels of what we do and do not find acceptable, even if it's wrong.

xage 05-20-06 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Shagrath
...And I've cherished my official Italian Dellamorte Dellamore for years. Just because it's not out here doesn't mean it's not available. You can always go region-free and find almost anything released somewhere in the world. From Beyond has been officially released in Hong Kong, Germany, and possibly others.

what about the big difference between NTSC and PAL???

xage 05-20-06 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by filmfreak
They should release these DVDs and the problem would be resolved. Look. Iím not condoning bootleg DVDs, but what are the studios waiting for? You want to kill piracy...release the damn movies.

You just dont understand why "Region Codes" were set at the first place when DVDs came out.

littlefuzzy 05-20-06 05:10 PM

I *ahem* KNOW SOMEONE who may be willing to purchase a couple of bootlegs of items that will probably NEVER be released...
Porgy & Bess with the musical sequences intact
Song of the South...

Heck, this person's mother even wants the person to track down some bootlegs of those two items... :D

ThatGuamGuy 05-20-06 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by MasterCXtreme
Michigan cops are dicks. And that's no threadcrap people, that's a fact.

If these are bootleggers, wouldn't it be the FBI who arrested them?

I think it's funny that people (not you, MasterCX) are ignoring the part about how at least some of the bootlegs were of movies currently in releases; folks, we *want* bootleggers like that arrested. Used stores buy bootlegs from people like this quite often, in my experience (inadvertantly, I'm sure).

Anybody selling other bootlegs at the con, I feel bad they got busted, but they ought to be selling on-line anyway (which, I would imagine, is where the comic sellers who no longer attend the con are).

And I don't buy the argument of "well, then the studios should release them!" If the bootleggers are doing it out of the goodness of their heart and not making a profit, I have no problem with it (examples: a lot of 'MST3k' fans, or some of the people who have made 'Star Wars' boots), but if you're charging premium prices for something you burned 100 copies of to DVD from an old VHS taped off of TV, I have no sympathy.

shaggy 05-20-06 08:05 PM

If a film or TV show is available on "real" DVD then there is no exuse to be buying or selling it. If something is out of print or was never available then I don't have a problem. In the early 90s I bought live music CDs all the time. I also bought live music, rare movies and cartoons on VHS at record and comic shows. Now there is no need to support bootleggers because the fan communites are make amazing stuff available and its all free. I have over 1500 retail DVDs, and I also have 300-400 burned DVDs of old TV shows , TV specials, cartoons, and movies. Some of them are incredible but I would buy the real thing the minute it came out.

Kris81 05-20-06 09:16 PM

Local plaza in my area (suburbs of toronto, those of you will know it as the asian plaza) have about 6-7 stores in the mall that sells any movie you want for about 5$ cdn (copied)

every few months, they're busted, shut down.. and re open up



personally i don't care.. i'd rather see cops spending more time busting drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc, then worrying about dvd pirates

Shagrath 05-20-06 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by xage
what about the big difference between NTSC and PAL???

My player can do the conversion from PAL to NTSC with no problem, so that's not an issue. A lot of people complain about the 4% speedup on PAL stuff, but I've never noticed it on any of my PAL releases, so that's not an issue either.


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