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Originally Posted by chanster
You gotta admire the chutzpah of George - these releases will be probably be billed as "special features" of the 2004 DVD editions..so George in his little mind can still technically say the original OT were never really released.
. . .individual two-disc releases of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Each release includes the 2004 digitally remastered version of the movie and, as bonus material, the theatrical edition of the film. |
Originally Posted by Dan Average
Well, I know Kurtz and Lucas don't like the six-track mix for the original film (which was done first for the premiere and was supposedly a rush-job), although I don't know about ESB and ROTJ -- but then there are so many differences between the 70mm and 35mm versions of the ESB soundtrack (Wikipedia has a nice rundown) that I suspect Lucas wasn't satisfied with the six-track version of that film either. Even then I'm not entirely sure how they could make a 5.1 track from the 70mm audio and still preserve the original mix -- again, I'm not sure about ESB and ROTJ, but ANH had two LFE ("baby boom") channels, so wouldn't they have to mix those down to a single LFE channel, thus resulting in a 4.1 mix?
as I recall there was an insert describing all the various soundmixes for the theatrical versions of Star Wars (mono, two channel, four channel) - including the discrete 5.1 mix for the 70mm print - if I can find it, I'll detail what it said. |
Originally Posted by Terrell
Which I'll never understand. When did it become a sin to make a ton of money in America?
People complain when studios do it, why should they not complain just because George Lucas is an individual as well as a corporation? |
Originally Posted by gijon213
I was being far from serious. I knew that Lucas abandoned the idea of 3d in theaters, but, up to yesterday, he also abandoned the idea of releasing the originals.
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Originally Posted by bboisvert
I'm honestly too tired to search, but let me just shoot out a generic "told you so" to everyone who claimed that this would NEVER happen. ;)
In countless threads over the years, I've mentioned that this would happen some day... and there were constant responses such as: * quoting Lucas saying that it would never happen * quoting Lucasfilm employees claiming that the original films no longer existed * talking about how George is a perfectionist and would never let those tainted, non-CGI turds see the light of day again * etc. Folks: Lucas lies. I love the guy, and he's given me more cherished memories than I can count. But the guy tells tales. He makes inconsitent statements about EVERYTHING. I knew these were coming. While I am not happy to have to buy the SEs with the originals (as they will simply collect dust on my shelf), I am quite happy that he is not making it so you have to buy the pile of shit prequel trilogy. He could have done it that way and sold a buttload of prequel movies to those of us who took a pass. I do hope they will be anamorphic but having 2.0 sound is fine with me. I have heard many 2.0 tracks that sound better than some 5.1 tracks in the past. I will now gladly toss my bootleg dvds, laserdiscs, and VHS copies of the originals. |
Now the question is, do I sell my current DVDs or hang onto them?
I'm guessing the bonus disk might be the only reason to hold onto it. |
I don't think people are begrudging him the money feel like he could give them a little price break, rather than making them buy a bunch of stuff they probably already have (and, if they don't have, they don't want) just to get what they want. People complain when studios do it, why should they not complain just because George Lucas is an individual as well as a corporation? I'm just getting a kick out of remembering all those that claimed if Lucas released the originals, they wouldn't have a reason to bitch and moan. Looks like that didn't work. Let's face it, people are going to bitch and moan because it's George Lucas. |
I'm not bitching, I'm just saying its an interesting choice of words...and you Terrell, the man that hangs on every word on Lucas, should have picked up on the "OT as bonus features" That was done so George could feel OK with his idiotic aversion to releasing the original OT for oh so many years..he gets his cake and eats it too. Doesn't mean you can't call him out on it.
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Originally Posted by bboisvert
No, the E.T. gift set does not have DTS on the theatrical version. Only the individual release.
I wonder if these SW ones will use the original box art. |
I'm not bitching, I'm just saying its an interesting choice of words...and you Terrell, the man that hangs on every word on Lucas, should have picked up on the "OT as bonus features" That was done so George could feel OK with his idiotic aversion to releasing the original OT for oh so many years..he gets his cake and eats it too. Doesn't mean you can't call him out on it. and you Terrell, the man that hangs on every word on Lucas |
From the USA Today article:
"The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says." If that's the case, we'll NEVER get HD transfers of these movies. They're basically going to use the same transfer that they used for the 1993 movies, according to this. Or does that mean it's just the same print??? Sorry if this has been covered already. |
Originally Posted by DaTimster
I'm just agitated that I'm going to have to buy the same SEs that I already own in order to get the originals. How is that not a money grubbing move by Lucasfilm?!?
I see everyone giddy over this - did no one buy the SE box some time ago? Does everyone not mind that they are going to have to buy them AGAIN in order to get what we should have had available from the beginning? Maybe I'm missing something . . . Oh wait, if you want it then yes you need to buy it. Personally I will buy it no questions asked. I have the SE versions and I have had the laserdisc THX boxset and the VHS versions too! |
we'll NEVER get HD transfers of these movies How is that not a money grubbing move by Lucasfilm?!? |
Quote: we'll NEVER get HD transfers of these movies Who knows. I never thought we'd get the originals on DVD period. |
Another note, it should be very interesting to see how high (or low?) the bitrate will be on the 2.0 audio. Shit, they should give us a PCM track.
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Anyone else think this is a really really big dvdtalk punked episode??
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Wish the originals had 5.1 sound, but still happy as hell that they are coming out finally, when we all thought they never would.
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Count me in the not bitching group. I haven't purchased any Star Wars DVD's and wasn't going to until the OT was released in non-SP form. It's coming out and I'm happily going to buy them on release day. The way I look at it is that just about anything I get on DVD is going to be better than my fullscreen VHS. I don't care if Lucas puts in as a "special feature" for his true vision, he's giving me what I want and I'll pay for it.
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Wish the originals had 5.1 sound, but still happy as hell that they are coming out finally, when we all thought they never would. |
Originally Posted by Terrell
I wish he'd restore the whole thing, all three films. Create 5.1 tracks, and give them transfers to Lowry and give them as much time to perfect them. But it's fine with me. I'm guessing restoring the originals would take twice the effort that it took to restore the SEs.
they don't need to create new 5.1 tracks, they need to fix the ones that were intially made for the original 70mm prints. |
Since the 5.1 tracks would probably reverse the surround channels and cause my subwoofer to explode when R2 is zapped by the Jawas, I'm thinking 2.0 is a blessing in disguise. I'll just run it through Dolby Pro Logic II and be satisfied.
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Originally Posted by bboisvert
Folks: Lucas lies. I love the guy, and he's given me more cherished memories than I can count. But the guy tells tales. He makes inconsitent statements about EVERYTHING. I knew these were coming.
Years later he's saying that he never said that and that there were only SIX parts of the story. |
You're a fucking asshole, George Lucas.
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Getting to the party late... but...
:banana: (adds to "Upcoming DVDs to buy" list) |
Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
That's for sure! I remember him saying back in '77 that "Star Wars" was part four of NINE parts.
Years later he's saying that he never said that and that there were only SIX parts of the story. In the hardcover book that came with the Definitive LD collection in 1993 it actually states that there are nine parts. |
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