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Scott Connors 01-25-06 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Julie Walker
I agree..and at the very least. We are allowed unrated/unMPAA approved releases on home video. You can not say the same for some other countries like the U.K. for example. Where IF a film is cut by the review board since it doesn't fit in their guidlines(such as 'sexual violence')...it remains cut even if it has an adult rating. And nothing can be released without BBFC approval over there or you face prison time!


I'd rather we not become like that.

Amen. As bad a bunch of hypocrites as the MPAA may well be, they are a lot more like us than a bunch of bureaucrats would be--and if somebody tried to follow them, the FBI would be on them in a hummingbird's heartbeat! For an example of what the British Board of Film Censors could do before the "video nasties" scare, read Tony Earnshaw's book Beating the Devil
about the making of the classic horror film "Night of the Demon" (US title: "Curse of the Demon"). They went way beyond anything the MPAA ever even dreamed of!

illennium 01-25-06 09:07 PM

No hypocrisy here. The statement on the web site is a position statement; obviously the MPAA knows that the statement does not reflect settled law because of the availability of affrimative defenses. It's just a strong statement of the MPAA's position.

Hypocrisy is always a strange charge, especially when levelled against a fictitious entity like a corporation. In addition to which, we all have self-contradictory or unworkable positions on one issue or another. For example, many here expect stores to "honor" price mistakes, but how many want to be held to their own mistakes? It's nearly impossible to be consistent, and I've never really understood why it's morally important to be consistent.

Anyway, this seems like a pretty easy case for the MPAA, assuming precedent for the evidentiary exception defense exists. This is lawyering 101.

BigDan 01-25-06 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Malticor
BigDan:
If I were subject to harassment or some other form of rights violation as a direct result of my employment, I would expect my employer to act in my defense. Otherwise, I'll take my services elsewhere.

Alleged rights violation.

And while I might expect that, as well, the real point to me is that the MPAA, as an organization, have no excuse that they were going to use it as evidence, and the MPAA seems to be claiming that they, as an organization, had a fair use right to copy the movie. Something that very probably isn't the case given their apparent lack of standing. (Not to mention that the copy apparently went to MPAA head Dan Glickman rather than to their legal staff. While Glickman is a law school graduate, I don't know that he operates as a practicing attorney for the MPAA). And also, given that the MPAA admittedly copies other movies, apparently without the consent of the copyright holder, it's unlikely that their explanation is the actual truth.

It doesn't really matter. The filmmakers aren't going to bring a piracy suit against the MPAA. As has been said, it's only been brought up to try to show the hypocracy of the MPAA and to get some publicity for the film.

BigDan 01-25-06 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by illennium
No hypocrisy here. The statement on the web site is a position statement; obviously the MPAA knows that the statement does not reflect settled law because of the availability of affrimative defenses. It's just a strong statement of the MPAA's position.

That's an interesting way to look at hypocrisy. Essentially it's not hypocrisy to take actions contrary to your stated beliefs as long as you can come up with a B.S. justification for going against your beliefs.

In that case, there's really no such thing as hypocrisy.

(I hate discussions about hypocrisy because I always have trouble spelling it).

fmian 01-25-06 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
Well, I don't know about you, but I was very offended by Star Wars Episode III so I made a copy of it just in case I needed to use it as evidence in court that it had emotionally traumatized me. Some of my friends were also traumatized by it, so I made them a copy too for only a nominal $5 duplication fee.

And I had this strange feeling that Episode III might upset me too so I just went ahead and downloaded it to make sure. Let's just say I won't be buying that movie on dvd :)

Also, does the whole idea of getting a rating for a movie titled 'This film is not yet rated' mean I can sue the film maker for false advertising when it comes out with a rating?
I smell a Neverending Story again.

Qui Gon Jim 01-25-06 10:43 PM

The bumpers on the beginning of my DVDs say that copying will land me in jail, even copying without profit. The MPAA puts these bumpers there. The MPAA copied a movie, without the authorization of the owner. Do as they say, not as they do. THAT is hypocrisy.

rw2516 01-26-06 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by fmian

Also, does the whole idea of getting a rating for a movie titled 'This film is not yet rated' mean I can sue the film maker for false advertising when it comes out with a rating?
I smell a Neverending Story again.

If the MPAA had trademarked the phrase "This film is not yet rated" they could get the filmmaker for trademark infringement.

silentbob007 01-26-06 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
The bumpers on the beginning of my DVDs say that copying will land me in jail, even copying without profit. The MPAA puts these bumpers there. The MPAA copied a movie, without the authorization of the owner. Do as they say, not as they do. THAT is hypocrisy.

To be honest, the first step of illegality in copying a DVD would be breaking the encryption. That doesn't quite fit the MPAA's actions as they seemed to have copied from a digital tape source.

I'm wondering if the reporter for the story snipped the lawyer's comment, as anyone who knows about copyright and fair use would not ONLY use that it wasn't distributed for commercial gain as an excuse ... it would just be single criteria. I'd have to say that I agree with illennium in that you can't hold the MPAA's statement as law or hypocrisy ... they have the right to protect their board. Now, if the allegations of illegal invasion of privacy play false, then there would be cause for complaint. The timing of everything, however ... yup, publicity stunt.

ShagMan 01-26-06 07:42 AM

-popcorn-

cultshock 01-26-06 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by rw2516
The MPAA is needed to keep the government out of the movie making business. There is a long history of Congress getting all up-in-arms over an industry's practices and holding the "if you don't take care of it, we will" type of hearings.
The earliest one I know of is comic books in the 1950s. A fella by the name of Fredric Wertham wrote a book called Seduction of the Innocent which described how the gore, bondage, cannibalism, drug use of comic books was having a bad effect on our kiddies. He particularly picked on EC Comics(Tales From the Crypt). Some congressman's wife, or whatever, read the book, and the next thing you know congress is holding hearings on the contents of comic books. In order to prevent government oversight(censorship) the comic book companies agreed to regulate(censor) themselves. The Comics Code Authority was created.

Good point, except for the fact that the Comics Code is completely irrelevent now. At one point, a comic book without the code seal of approval (with some exceptions) could not get any kind of meaningful distribution (like an unrated or NC-17 film). Of course, distribution methods changed over the years (ie. comic specialty stores replacing newstands), and those new kinds of distributors and sellers didn't give a crap if a comic was code approved or not, so many comics were published without the code (and new publishers popped up who didn't join the code authority and had nothing to do with the approval process). Now the code is a complete non issue. Of course, it helps that comics are not the focus of the silly hysteria as they were back in the 1950's (I guess they are more under the radar, as parents find it more effective to instead blame movies and video games for the results of what could really be blamed on poor parenting skills. It's always easier to blame something other than yourself -rolleyes- ). Anyway, as distribution methods change for films (as they had for comic books), maybe someday the MPAA could become as meaningless as the Comic Code Authority (as long as the government doesn't bully the film industry)

Duh Vuh Duh 01-26-06 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by NatrlBornThrllr
Dick-orchestrated

Merriam-Webster Dictionary: New word of the year award.

A-aron 01-26-06 05:12 PM

Seems to be an awful lot of ruckus over a Dick film


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