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calhoun07 11-05-05 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Warner Brothers didn't used to think this way when they released 2-disc only versions of Terminator 3, Matrix Reloaded, and Matrix Revolutions which all were priced at $15 during their release week.

What pisses me off is stores like Best Buy and Circuit City will usually price the single disc version to around $15, but they don't discount the 2-disc at all, even though the retail price difference between the 2 is usually $2.00

EXAMPLE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 1-disc Retail: $28.98, Circuit City in-store price on release week: $14.99

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 2-disc Retail: $30.98, Circuit City in-store price on release week: $22.99

Is that 2nd disc really worth $8?

Which is why I buy my two disc sets online. You can usually find a better deal, and another plus is that a lot of these two disc sets now are just coming with card board slip covers and not shrinkwrapped, so store stickers can actually damage the case if I peel them off wrong, or leave residue behind even if I don't tear the card board. Ordering online assures me I get a two disc set with the card board case sticker free. And I usually save more than I ever would at a brick and mortar store.

Which is really puzzling that the brick and mortars are doing this, because the people interested in these expanded editions are probably more likely to know about sites such as this and have already spent time researching the best prices online. Get Joe Six Pack to pay the extra bucks, not the collector who knows better!

Matthew Chmiel 11-05-05 12:44 PM


And Magnolia, which is not anamorphic and does not really have a full 2nd disc of extras, is still above $20. (Often up to $25).
Uh.

Magnolia is anamorphic.

And the second disc has a 90 minute documentary as it's "main" extra. I don't know about you, but most DVDs usually don't contain a 90 minute production diary.

calhoun07 11-05-05 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Uh.

Magnolia is anamorphic.

And the second disc has a 90 minute documentary as it's "main" extra. I don't know about you, but most DVDs usually don't contain a 90 minute production diary.

It's not a bonus feature if you don't watch it! -wink-

marty888 11-05-05 01:55 PM

It's a bit like french fries: nobody complains about paying to have them "supersized".
-wink-

Artman 11-05-05 01:55 PM

I think everyone understands the idea behind charging more for more... but it's hard to take because of A) the disparity between the prices on the retailer's part, and B) it didn't used to be that way.

The Monkees 11-05-05 01:58 PM

I agree this is indeed stupid. From what I've heard they might be charging more for the 2 disc Devil's Rejects which will piss me off if true. And then of course the recent Wizard of Oz the 3 disc was twice as much as the 2 disc...pissed me off!

Brian Shannon 11-05-05 02:39 PM


I'm sure its just the studio's way of making more money, but I don't think its fair. Also, are these all from the same studio?
Don't buy them!

nightmaster 11-05-05 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by marty888
It's a bit like french fries: nobody complains about paying to have them "supersized".
-wink-

Exactly! When I got Escape From New York as a big beautiful special edition for ten bucks I didn't grump because I got alot for cheap! I think this is their way of trying to get back some of the ridiculous amount of profit they were getting selling titles for more money and having more classic movies to release......then again now they have TV seasons that rake in enormous cash.....eh, who am I kidding, they just found a new angle and they're taking advantage of it!

Josh H 11-05-05 02:57 PM

It definitely sucks. They should just keep making only 2 disc versions as in the past. Now you have the 1 disc and 2 disc version that are generally with in 2 or 3 bucks of each other in MSRP (see the Corpse Bride thread here for examples). Then the retailers use the crappy barebones single disc as the loss leader and sell it for $15 bucks release week, and keep the price on the 2 disc one up more and sell it for $22-30. A gap wider than the gap in MSRP.

Annoying as hell and causes me to pass on something like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory that I was on the fence about.

Josh H 11-05-05 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Artman
I think everyone understands the idea behind charging more for more... but it's hard to take because of A) the disparity between the prices on the retailer's part, and B) it didn't used to be that way.

Not to mention you still have some studies putting out kick ass 2 disc dvds that get sold for $15. i.e. Star Wars Episode 3.

Which makes it that much harder to swallow paying more for similar product from other studios.

Artman 11-05-05 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Annoying as hell and causes me to pass on something like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory that I was on the fence about.

Same here. You lose WB!

nightmaster 11-05-05 05:48 PM

When I find Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for five bucks in a pawn shop I'll pick it up then. So they lose the sale....I'm not paying more for 2 disc editions, I can live just fine with their movie only loss leader (such as Batman Begins) myself.

Snowmaker 11-05-05 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Brian Shannon
Don't buy them!

I'm not!

Groucho 11-05-05 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
So, you're saying you like to pay for something now that used to be a given?

Huh? When was it ever a "given" that the studio would release a 2-disc and a 1-disc at the same price?

nightmaster 11-05-05 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Huh? When was it ever a "given" that the studio would release a 2-disc and a 1-disc at the same price?

Never was. Used to be there would be the 2 disc edition or a 1 disc and that would be all she wrote. Ya bought what was on the rack, and there were no other choices.

As was mentioned earlier, it IS nice that studios are releasing 1,2 and 3 disc sets at the same time, at their first release, rather than waiting 3 months and slapping the sucker on the street again for double-dippage, ala' Sin City, Electra, Hellboy and the likes. IF releasing a deluxe 2 disc set would curtail the practice of doing so, a 2-3 disc uber edition for a little more money at first release would be an improvement.

djtoell 11-05-05 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
And Magnolia, which is not anamorphic and does not really have a full 2nd disc of extras, is still above $20. (Often up to $25).

Why do you keep trolling this forum with the claim that Magnolia is non-anamorphic?

How many times are you going to keep posting that?

How many times do people have to correct you before you stop?

Is there some kind of joke I'm not getting? Or do you just like spreading misinformation and ignoring people that correct you?

Enough already. Yeesh.

DJ

Josh H 11-05-05 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Huh? When was it ever a "given" that the studio would release a 2-disc and a 1-disc at the same price?

We used to just get one or the other. i.e. in the past we probably would have just gotten the Batman Begins 2-disc, and that would have been the loss leader selling for $15-16 release week.

Now we get these crappy double releases with nearly identical MSRPs and retailers make the 1 disc the loss leader and we're stuck shelling out $20-25 for the 2 disc that would have been the only option (and thus the loss leader) for these major mainstream releases in the past.

Jay G. 11-05-05 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Annoying as hell and causes me to pass on something like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory that I was on the fence about.

This sounds like you're saying that the deciding factor for your purchases is the extras, not the movie.


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I'm more angry at the pricing.

If the 1-disc has a list price of $28.99, and sells for $14.99 in store, then the 2-disc that has a list price of $30.99, should sell for $16.99 in store, not $22.99

Seems like you should be angry at the retailers, who set the discounts, not the studios.


Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
[Magnolia's] second disc has a 90 minute documentary as it's "main" extra. I don't know about you, but most DVDs usually don't contain a 90 minute production diary.

If paying extra for a 90 minute production diary upsets people, imagine paying over $20 for a production diary, and you don't even get the movie with it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BMSUJK/

toddly6666 11-05-05 08:21 PM

Don't forget that in the beginning of DVDs, animated menus and scene selections were marketed as Extras and they were priced between 30 and 40 dollars!! They have always been suckering the consumer.

DVDs are also coming out fast after theatrical release dates, than in the past. So, I would rather have the two versions with the 10 dollar difference than wait longer for a fully-packed DVD. A lot of DVD stores that sell DVDs before release date often put the 1-disk version out first and then put the 2-disk/special edition later on (usually on release date).

Count de Monet 11-05-05 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
No, what I'm saying is that its unfair that the 2nd disk used to be free, and now all of a sudden they decide to charge us for it. They had us spoiled. And now they have realized just how many people prefer extra content and have decided to capitalize on it.

I think you hit upon it with "They had us spoiled," although I would abandon the past-tense. We're still spoiled. But then again, so are the studios. DVD has spoiled everyone.

yellowbedwetter 11-05-05 08:46 PM

it is kind of annoying. Especially when you still see current releases like Star Wars Ep.III where you got a nice 2nd disc full of extras and was available for about $15 on release day. You know if they had gone the WB rout the $15 would have been for the barebones release while the 2 discer would have been $20+.

Josh H 11-05-05 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Jay G.
This sounds like you're saying that the deciding factor for your purchases is the extras, not the movie.

Notice I said for movies I'm on the fence about. In those cases many times the extras are the deciding factor on buying or passing.

For a film I love, obviously the A/V quality is all that matters as the film alone warrants a purchase.

Snowmaker 11-05-05 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Huh? When was it ever a "given" that the studio would release a 2-disc and a 1-disc at the same price?

When the only version of a movie available was a 2-disk version and it still went for the same price as the other 1-disk movies.


Originally Posted by nightmaster
As was mentioned earlier, it IS nice that studios are releasing 1,2 and 3 disc sets at the same time, at their first release, rather than waiting 3 months and slapping the sucker on the street again for double-dippage, ala' Sin City, Electra, Hellboy and the likes.

Yeah, but we also had enough notice that there would be a 2-disk version of Sin City to where I waited and didn't buy the 1-disk.

grundle 11-05-05 11:07 PM

We should go back to rental pricing where everything cost $99.99. Then these kinds of pricing disparities would disappear.

Just Lurking 11-05-05 11:14 PM

Has any looked at Amazon's prices on The 40-Year-Old Virgin.

The 40-Year-Old Virgin (R-Rated Edition) (2005) - $15.98
The 40-Year-Old Virgin (Unrated Edition) (2005) - $15.98
The 40-Year-Old Virgin (Unrated Widescreen Edition) (2005) - $20.99

It look like you you will be paying an extra $5.01 just to get OAR :(


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