How the West was Won
On my widescreen copy of How the West was Won it looks as if it was made wider by attaching pieces to the left and right side. On scenes with a light background (like a shot where there is lots of blue sky) you can see what appears to be a seam from top to bottom on the left and right sides. Its appears there were three cameras (left, middle, right) and then the three pieces of film were stiched together.
Do I have a defective copy or is this how all copies are? |
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Its appears there were three cameras (left, middle, right) and then the three pieces of film were stiched together. |
The seams may soon be a thing of the past:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/pr...5/050418a.html HP has also invented a new film restoration process for Cinerama films that eliminates the "seams" visible from the old three panel Cinerama process as well as corrects the distortions in perspective that were inherent in the change from Cinerama's curved screen to a flat one. Tests have already begun on the classic MGM 1962 film "How The West Was Won," now part of the vast Warner Bros. Studios library. |
But... but... the seams were part of the ORIGINAL THEATRICAL EXPERIENCE! :sarcasm:
(So was getting used chewing gum on your shoes.) RichC |
Originally Posted by rdclark
But... but... the seams were part of the ORIGINAL THEATRICAL EXPERIENCE! :sarcasm:
(So was getting used chewing gum on your shoes.) RichC |
Originally Posted by ernestrp
It not exactly like colorization but they would be changing it from how it looked orignally.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Unless you have a curved TV screen, any presentation at home is going to differ from theatrical presentation.
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Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home? I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I assume it's impossible to see the true OAR, so why would it matter if they removed the visible seams?
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Originally Posted by rennervision
Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home?
I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Because the three-camera system was so cumbersome, Cinerama was eventually downgraded to Super Cinerama, which was a single-camera 70mm process. It wasn't as good as the original, but was still better than regular 35mm exhibition. |
Originally Posted by rennervision
Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home? I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I assume it's impossible to see the true OAR, so why would it matter if they removed the visible seams?
As for removing the seams, I've always assumed it was impossible, but if they've come up with a way to do it then they should. |
Originally Posted by rennervision
Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home? I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I assume it's impossible to see the true OAR, so why would it matter if they removed the visible seams?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Unless you have a curved TV screen, any presentation at home is going to differ from theatrical presentation.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...light=cinerama See post #26 I haven't seen a home presentation like this myself; I doubt it would catch on. |
Originally Posted by rennervision
Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home? I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio.
Cinerama films ranged in aspect ratio between 2.6 and 3 to 1. I could be wrong about this -- it's been a while since I've seen it -- but my recollection is that the version on the DVD and Laserdisc came from 70mm prints that were created so the film could be shown theatrically in theaters with flat screens. The AR would still have been very wide - 2.7:1 or something like that. However, if 35mm prints were struck for showing in normal theaters, it's very possible that the image was cropped at the sides during this process, since it's unlikely they would have hard-matted such prints (ie, letterboxed them) to retain the original Cinerama AR. I seem to remember deciding that the video transfer did have the cropped AR, which was easily visible by simply noting that the center panel was quite a bit wider than the left and right ones. But again, this was some time ago and my memory may be faulty. And I may be thinking of the laserdisc, it was so long ago. RichC |
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Originally Posted by rdclark
Cinerama films ranged in aspect ratio between 2.6 and 3 to 1.
I could be wrong about this -- it's been a while since I've seen it -- but my recollection is that the version on the DVD and Laserdisc came from 70mm prints that were created so the film could be shown theatrically in theaters with flat screens. The AR would still have been very wide - 2.7:1 or something like that. However, if 35mm prints were struck for showing in normal theaters, it's very possible that the image was cropped at the sides during this process, since it's unlikely they would have hard-matted such prints (ie, letterboxed them) to retain the original Cinerama AR. |
Originally Posted by rennervision
Are Cinerama pictures cut off on the sides when you see them at home? I don't understand why it would require three projectors to show a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I assume it's impossible to see the true OAR, so why would it matter if they removed the visible seams?
Cinerama's aspect ratio was 2.59:1, just a bit more than the 2.35:1 that is standard for anamorphic films today. But it wasn't the aspect ratio that required three cameras, it was the incredible angular coverage of 146 degrees for both the camera(s) and the theatres projectors. Each of the three Cinerama lenses was wider than most CinemaScope or Panavision lenses, or some of the other 70mm systems for that matter. Using three projectors also prevented distortions that occur when you project a flat film onto a curved surface. Cinerama's screen was also 146 degrees and in theatres built or converted to Cinerama after 1960, the screen covered the entire front wall, floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Cinerama and any of the other panoramic film systems were not really suited to your typical Hollywood fare. They were cumbersome and expensive and their wide angle pictures didn't make the acting talent look any too good. But for action scenes, especially when you move the camera, they were spectacular. Marty Hart |
IMHO, any complementary process to a linear distortion that can remove
the distortion should be done. Its like color correction. Would you want to watch an entire movie with yellowish color if the original process had an UNWANTED yellowish cast to it when it could be completely corrected with printing to look natural? of course not. So if they can fix geometry problems and the seams without any side effects, I say fix them! |
See this film in a Cinerama theatre if you can. I went down to LA a couple of years ago to see it at the Cinerama Dome. It was a great experience! Worth the drive from San Francisco. I think most Cinerama theatres are gone now. The one in NYC became the Warner Twin and then it was torn down. Seattle still has one.
www.cinerama.com www.cinerama.topcities.com |
from the warner chat
Special Edition coming in 2008 |
Originally Posted by jimnysf
See this film in a Cinerama theatre if you can. I went down to LA a couple of years ago to see it at the Cinerama Dome. It was a great experience! Worth the drive from San Francisco. I think most Cinerama theatres are gone now. The one in NYC became the Warner Twin and then it was torn down. Seattle still has one.
www.cinerama.com www.cinerama.topcities.com The loss of these theaters (particularly the ones in Omaha, Denver, Las Vegas, San Diego) is one of the worst architectural/historical crimes of the last 25 years. |
Originally Posted by Neeb
Seattle. Los Angeles. I think there's a Cinerama capable theatre in the UK.
The loss of these theaters (particularly the ones in Omaha, Denver, Las Vegas, San Diego) is one of the worst architectural/historical crimes of the last 25 years. |
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