You're really reaching there, aren't you? Not worth getting into it simply because I'm sure you can take anything I say and twist it around or read it into me saying I'm going to kill the president. If someone is going to cut the plastic and steal the dvd, it will happen no matter what. With a cardboard case, you atleast notice someone taking it out of the slipcase first. So it does bring some attention to someone doing somethng wrong.

Fine, don't. I really don't care either. Perhaps you should complain more about holes in cardboards sleeves that you can easily throw away because the same art is on the slipcase anyways.

Yes, and don't you stop to think for a second that it's because it's the latest gimmick and it is somewhat working? When it stops being fresh and doesn't provide any fast weekly sales it will stop being used and a new marketing gimmick will happen. Notice how "Collectors Edition", "Special Edition" etc. etc. were used to death? This will have the same time to cycle through.

And just because you are above thinking that, doesn't mean the masses aren't and that it has lost its selling effect. Remember, the readers of this forum are not your average joe six pack. They will react differently and buy into gimmicks that we are all to aware of.

and you are overestimating the consumers. Often, eye candy will do wonders.

No, you may also note that the average person doesn't give a shit about inserts, yet if you notice on the boards, if it doesn't have that we scream to high heaven. It's clear that what the folks on this forum want and demand are not always the same as what the average buyer wants. They see a god damn hole in the back of the package and they just assume it's for the barcode to get scanned. These folks will also most likely throw away the cardboard sleeve or damage it along the way when they are at home.

But for the most part, the slipcases are fresh enough that they still attract the attention of those who are just curising the store.

Good luck with that, you wont find it. That's the way they were released. Even at the studio store they had the same hole cut into them. That is how they were made at the factory because of the increase of switching dvds in the slips.


Again, not every shopper is a dvdtalk reader. Standards are much higher with us compared to what the standards are for the average consumer. They don't care about the hole in the back because that slipcover served its purpose of attracting their attention. Once at home, they'll most likely disgard it anyways or use it as a means to protect the dvd from getting damaged along the way.

It's a surprise for me to hear that someone can be so disgusted with a practice that has resulted from increase number of stealing by switching dvds with slipcovers to get a different dvd at the price of the barcode of the slipcover. Even further insanity sets in when I think about the fact that the slipcover has the same exact art as the keepcase and can easily be thrown away if the buyer feels that the simple hole placed by the factory ruins any chance of it getting bought by some dvd collector.

It doesnt have the same effect if it's shrink wrapped and becomes pointless in general since the art underneath is the same. Believe it or not, it's done as a marketing gimmick and the day it stops being effective it wont be used anymore.

Wow.

I'm going to take an exam. I'll reply later. However, I just wanted to call bullshit on this:

Your novel of a response says otherwise.

Anyway, like I said, I'll respond in depth in a couple hours.

-JP

What is the sound of one mouth talking? What is the noise of no one listening? Get a room, guys, or give it a rest.

How about you save it all for when you respond? There's a difference between caring and responding to outlandish comments when they are made. I typed that first. I was going to end it there, but then reading the rest of the post just annoyed me enough to make me not so much care, but more so want to just argue for the sake of it.

Do I care if you agree or even follow the way I'm justifying it? no. But you have to atleast give some merit to the ideas simply because they make sense, even if it's not in your twisted DVDTALK mentality. Not everyone buying gets annoyed like the average DVDTALKer gets when it comes to the small details. We get annoyed for lack of inserts, lack of proper packaging, missing trailers, etc. These are all things that the average consumer doesn't factor it. This includes a hole where the barcode goes on a slipcover of the exact same fuck'n cover that is on the keepcase. It's a marketing ploy to get your attention drawn to the dvd. Is it a throw back to some used dvd market? No. It's about presenting a non plastic looking paper product to your eyes in a sea of plastic shrink wrapped covers. Are there many slipcases out now? Yeah. But that's because this ploy is believed to work by the studios to help boost sales that the first few weeks they will crank them out with this as a short term promotional and will be able to easily stop producing the slip cases in a couple of weeks. You will notice that many films that came out with slipcases before no longer are produced with them and just fall back to the shelves while newer films get it. That's because they want to push something else, something new. In a couple of months if every title has this, you will see a new gimmick be introduced and you will see more threads complain about how it annoys us for some reason. That's just the way it goes.

Think me crazy or not, It's just the market that we collect around.

Just a note before I respond...I was going to go piece by piece responding to everything you said, but I won't. In part, I don't really have that much time. I need to get ready to go to the lakehouse. But mostly, your latest post made a lot of sense and I actually do see where you're coming from...to an extent.

I wasn't reaching, or trying to twist your words. I was simply asking whether or not I was reading it correctly. Turns out I was (at least, according to your last couple sentences). So omg!don't twist my words to make it seem like I'm twisting your words...or something.


I'm just saying, they included something extra to peak peoples' interests. That something extra will still be there...whether it's shrinkwrapped or not. In fact, that something extra will be in better shape if it's shrinkwrapped instead of being slashed with a pair of scissors.

I think we're both viewing the purpose of these slipcases in different lights, is all. You think they're there to make people say, "hey wow cardboard instead of plastic, I must buy this." I think they're there to make people say, "hey wow I get a little something extra for my money, I must buy this." That's why I don't see a problem with shrinkwrapping the slipcases with the DVD (especially as opposed to cutting holes in them)...and you do. We just have different interpretation of their purposes, so we'll agree to disagree.

Yeah, until you start cutting holes in it. ;)

Only because I see numerous other alternatives that don't involve cutting holes in the packaging (however redundant you may find that packaging to be).

-JP

i'd just like to point out that the hole in the slipcover isn't likely to work very effectively.

i mean, if all you see is the barcode, what's to stop me from making a copy of the barcode that's supposed to go with the dvd and putting that copy on another dvd?

shrinkwrap them or teach your silly employees to check the dvd.

Just shoot the people who steal dvds.

I'm not sure it if is time/cost effective for the hardcore shoplifters to make copies of cheap dvd barcodes, print them to sticker paper, cut them out, then affix them to copies of the movies they really want without arousing suspicion.

I think the perfect example is this. Playstation 2's and Xbox's and other game systems have a bar code on the product itself. They have holes in the packaging that allow the person scanning them to read the barcode on the actual product. Does this stop folks from buying it because there is a hole in the packaging? Nope.

The Packaging may be something we like as collectors, as I'm sure there is system collectors that like to keep the boxes of the systems. But for the most part those who aren't hardcore enough discard the packaging. In this case, the majority treat that exterior slipcover that has the same keepcase art as just packaging.

I'm not sure what sort of bonus a slipcase could really be in the long run. Especially with the keep case and slip case being the same. If you don't like the hole, throw it away.

Now I'm confused- the slipcovers are supposed to attract buyers, even though they're going to throw them away after buying??
I was in a store once and another customer asked if they were used discs. The only effect I see these having is making the obsessive collectors like me be VERY careful where we buy these so we don't get ones that have price tags or damage, and the joe sixpacks don't care either way.
Oh yeah- Garfield The Movie has a neat slipcover with different art than what's on the case inside. It's a very nice package overall, even though the movie isn't so great. I would not want to buy it with a damaged slipcover however.