Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > DVD Discussions > DVD Talk
Reload this Page >

Refusing to buy a movie, because it's only FS?

DVD Talk Talk about DVDs and Movies on DVD including Covers and Cases

Refusing to buy a movie, because it's only FS?

Old 03-15-05, 06:17 AM
  #101  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Woodbridge Va.
Posts: 1,267
The only full screen movies i have are old movies and tv shows, other than that i don't by full screen of new movies at all. Its not worth it. The strange thing about it is that i saw a full screen movie showing at walmart and it was strange seeing the movie everyone seemed so tall and big.
roger_d is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 06:26 AM
  #102  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 3,381
"Tall and big" sounds like it wasn't full screen, but rather anamorphic but the tv and/or dvd player was displaying it like it was full screen.
Jah-Wren Ryel is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 08:27 AM
  #103  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 14,802
Originally Posted by L.A.
Yeah, I wish Full Metal Jacket was in WS. Sigh.
Yeah...ah...4:3 is it's OAR.
Tarantino is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 09:11 AM
  #104  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 7,466
Originally Posted by L.A.
Yeah, I wish Full Metal Jacket was in WS. Sigh.
Hi . . . welcome to the forum.

Full Metal Jacket is an interesting situation (along with other Kubrick films). Kubrick actually stated that many of them should be released in FS only. Also, unless I am remembering incorrectly, the Kubrick DVD's that are in the 4:3 ratio (most of them) are presented in an "open matte" format, which, if you are not familiar with it, means that more of the film is actually shown (the 4:3 film was "matted down" to a WS ration for release in theaters and then the matte was removed for the DVD). So you are not actually losing any of the picture on the DVD, you are actually just gaining some screen area that wasn't shown in the theaters.

Do some searches around the forum on Full Metal Jacket and/or Kubrick for more information. This is an often discussed topic around here.
talemyn is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 12:10 PM
  #105  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,582
Originally Posted by Kris81
i'd think that if that's the ONLY thing you can get, you'd just put up with it & get it...
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

I do not want to supplement the studio income for a movie that is FS. If we do support them, then they will continue to release this crap.

They should do it right the first time and support anamorphic widescreen releases.

In this day and time, there is NO excuse for releasing a movie in FS when the OAR of that movie is widescreen.
RockStrongo is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 12:30 PM
  #106  
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 160
I wish they would relase The Sting (Newman, Redford) in OAR. I would love to add this movie to my collection....but not if it is fullscreen.
SpringsGal is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 02:32 PM
  #107  
mxv
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Combustion Manor - DG, IL
Posts: 131
I won't buy The Shadow on DVD because it only comes in fullscreen. I have to settle for keeping my LD of it which is widescreen.
mxv is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 05:48 PM
  #108  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 6,831
Originally Posted by SpringsGal
I wish they would relase The Sting (Newman, Redford) in OAR. I would love to add this movie to my collection....but not if it is fullscreen.
My copy is OAR. Unfortunately not anamorphic, though.

I have NEVER purchased a DVD that was not OAR. Odds are looking pretty good that I never will, either. But never say never. I do have some LDs that aren't OAR, purchased from a bargain bin.
Spiky is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 05:50 PM
  #109  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 6,831
Originally Posted by talemyn
Hi . . . welcome to the forum.

Full Metal Jacket is an interesting situation (along with other Kubrick films). Kubrick actually stated that many of them should be released in FS only. Also, unless I am remembering incorrectly, the Kubrick DVD's that are in the 4:3 ratio (most of them) are presented in an "open matte" format, which, if you are not familiar with it, means that more of the film is actually shown (the 4:3 film was "matted down" to a WS ration for release in theaters and then the matte was removed for the DVD). So you are not actually losing any of the picture on the DVD, you are actually just gaining some screen area that wasn't shown in the theaters.

Do some searches around the forum on Full Metal Jacket and/or Kubrick for more information. This is an often discussed topic around here.
Unfortunately, as far as can be understood, Kubrick released (and filmed with 2 aspects in mind) most of his films for home distribution in 4:3 because of the shape of TVs, not because of any decent reason. So it's like the ultimate cop-out to J6P.
Spiky is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 07:49 PM
  #110  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,065
When a FS, non-OAR, version is the only one available, I really try to be disciplined and not buy it. As already said on this thread, it is absolutely wrong to encourage the studios by buying these titles. If sales are high, they will know that they can get away with it again and again, and I want everything I watch to be in its OAR.

However, on three occasions, I have caved in because I saw the title really, really cheap, and they are ones that I wanted to watch and own soooo badly These were: With Honors (Warner Bros), Miracle Mile (MGM), and Deathtrap (Warner Bros).
Squirrel God is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 09:44 PM
  #111  
Dan
DVD Talk Legend
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 19,537
Originally Posted by Cameron
Half the movie half the price....that sounds fair
no no no. I think that would be even worse for "the cause". It would only encourage the unknowledgable to keep buying Modified films.

Plus, think of it this way: They have to get someone to perform the Pan&Scan process on a film (there's gotta be a high suicide rate for a job like that...), so that would mean that the production of a non-OAR fullscreen DVD would cost MORE to manufacture than the OAR widescreen DVD of the same film (assuming the releases are identical except for the aspect ratio).

So, I think the studios should actually be charging MORE for Modified Aspect Ratio DVDs. If you want to stare at a modified image that some technician who probably had nothing to do with the original film created, you should be paying more. When explaining widescreen to people, I usually try to liken it to listening to a song with one speaker. Or with both speakers, but every other line that is sung is silenced out, or you only hear half of the instrumentation.

Back to the topic of the occupation of the Pan&Scanner... how does a person who has to do that LIVE with themselves?? Why would you apply for a job where your sole purpose was to mangle the art of many many people on a daily basis? I bet most of them are fresh-out-of-college students who want a job in the industry and take the job expecting to "move up" really quick. I wonder what they get paid...
Dan is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 10:53 PM
  #112  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 7,466
Originally Posted by Spiky
Unfortunately, as far as can be understood, Kubrick released (and filmed with 2 aspects in mind) most of his films for home distribution in 4:3 because of the shape of TVs, not because of any decent reason. So it's like the ultimate cop-out to J6P.
I'm curious to know what you would consider a "good reason".

And also, none of the reasons that I ever heard (and, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be one clear one) had anything to do with J6P's, but rather his own opinion of widescreen presentation on TV.
talemyn is offline  
Old 03-15-05, 11:19 PM
  #113  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Rypro 525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: a frikin hellhole
Posts: 28,263
from what i heard regarding kubrick is that he was outraged on how bad his epic "2001" looked on tv in pan and scan aka fullscreen, so he shot all of his other movies in 1:85 so they would look better on tv, and sadly he passed away before dvd and widescreen in general became popular.
Rypro 525 is offline  
Old 03-16-05, 09:38 AM
  #114  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 1,831
I'm SO glad I held out on "Hoosiers." Was going to buy it in FS. I'm GLAD I waited for the SE.
jarofclay73 is offline  
Old 03-16-05, 09:40 AM
  #115  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 1,831
Originally Posted by Rypro 525
from what i heard regarding kubrick is that he was outraged on how bad his epic "2001" looked on tv in pan and scan aka fullscreen, so he shot all of his other movies in 1:85 so they would look better on tv, and sadly he passed away before dvd and widescreen in general became popular.
You don't think widescreen had a general popularity before 1999? You could be right. But, I've been a widescreen/OAR guy since the mid-80s when Siskel and Ebert took an entire show to explain it.
jarofclay73 is offline  
Old 03-17-05, 01:18 PM
  #116  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 6,831
Originally Posted by talemyn
I'm curious to know what you would consider a "good reason".

And also, none of the reasons that I ever heard (and, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be one clear one) had anything to do with J6P's, but rather his own opinion of widescreen presentation on TV.
Good reason:
Because it fit that film better.
Because he likes that aspect better.
Because he got a deal on some 4:3 lenses.
Because he likes to sit close and doesn't like turning his head so much for Scope.
Because it's going straight to TV.
.....Anything but, "that doesn't look good on TV, let's never do it again", insinuating that TV shape is more important than simply making his films how he wants. I thought that was his big deal, anyway. So apparently, order of importance: (1) eventual release to TBS and VHS, (2) make my movies the way I see fit.

Note that I said "LIKE...cop-out to J6P", didn't say that was his motivation.


I finally remembered the movie I keep refusing to buy: My Blue Heaven. Only 4:3 on DVD, won't buy it, even though I like it and will watch it whenever it's on.
Spiky is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 08:19 AM
  #117  
Senior Member
 
mythmaker18's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 685
I don't think that I've ever seen a TV release that wasn't in OAR
Kung Fu Season 1 (OAR fullscreen, cropped/matted to fit widescreen) is a prime example.
Mr. Bean animated (OAR widescreen, released that way overseas, but released fullscreen in R1)
V and V: The Final Battle (OAR fullscreen, cropped/matted to widescreen, though the first one was done with the director's approval)

I'm sure there are others, and this is just in R1. This doesn't include the fullscreen stuff that was released in widescreen just to satisfy the European market (such as Buffy).
mythmaker18 is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 01:18 PM
  #118  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
tommyp007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Kingsport, TN
Posts: 5,645
Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

I do not want to supplement the studio income for a movie that is FS. If we do support them, then they will continue to release this crap.

They should do it right the first time and support anamorphic widescreen releases.

In this day and time, there is NO excuse for releasing a movie in FS when the OAR of that movie is widescreen.

Hear hear!!!!

If its not in OAR....I just don't need it yet.
tommyp007 is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 01:22 PM
  #119  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah - USA
Posts: 5,196
Originally Posted by Spiky
Unfortunately, as far as can be understood, Kubrick released (and filmed with 2 aspects in mind) most of his films for home distribution in 4:3 because of the shape of TVs, not because of any decent reason. So it's like the ultimate cop-out to J6P.
...Hear, hear!!!...

. . . . . .
Hendrik is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 02:59 PM
  #120  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Twin Cities, US of A
Posts: 12,613
Refusing to buy a movie, because it's only FS?

This one's easy: The Jerk
Bill Needle is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 04:27 PM
  #121  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 6,831
Originally Posted by mythmaker18
Kung Fu Season 1 (OAR fullscreen, cropped/matted to fit widescreen) is a prime example.
Mr. Bean animated (OAR widescreen, released that way overseas, but released fullscreen in R1)
V and V: The Final Battle (OAR fullscreen, cropped/matted to widescreen, though the first one was done with the director's approval)

I'm sure there are others, and this is just in R1. This doesn't include the fullscreen stuff that was released in widescreen just to satisfy the European market (such as Buffy).
Isn't much of European TV 1.66:1? And always released 4:3 here.
Spiky is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 06:06 PM
  #122  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 572
If the movie is older or a classic (ie, Disney's Bambi) then I'd go with FS version.

If it is a recent movie or TV series and it only comes in FS, then I might pass unless it is a "must have" title. I haven't passed on any FS-only "must have" titles.
wolverine1028 is offline  
Old 03-18-05, 06:22 PM
  #123  
Needs to contact an admin about multiple accounts
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 2,830
I will refuse to buy an Pan & Scan DVD, but if it's Full Frame, I have my home theater set-up in such a way that I can effectivly do the matte myself.
Cygnet74 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.