Will the evils of the current DVD standard be present in HD?
 

Does anybody know for sure if they are going to include the evil " Fool Screen " transfers for upcoming high def format?

Will they finally clue in to that Scene Selection is NOT a special feature???

-rolleyes- Not all films are widescreen.

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What're you talking about! I'm STILL waiting for my copy of Casablanca in glorious 2.35:1 widescreen aspect ratio!

Oops! Well, you need to stand in line behind me... I'm waiting for a 2.35:1 release of "Wizard of Oz". :lol:

Actually it's a relevant question, I wouldn't be surprised if some studios started cropping films to the HDTV ratio(if they haven't already). INCLUDING 1.33:1 films.

I fear it will be more prevalent, as Im sure there will be a lot of movies released in 1.78:1 that are actually 2.35:1 or possible 1.37:1. The going thought will be that the "fill my screen please" people will be happy, and the "I want my widescreen dammit" people will be happy (after all, it is "wide"). Remember, in most places people would have no clue what you were talking about it you started spouting off about OAR...and all the retail stores know is "wide" and "full"...as far as they are concerned these are the only two options.

And now full screen will mean films that are 1.85:1.

Disney's Family Friendly releases already alter the ratio to fill the screen on 16:9 sets. It's a special feature, too.

it would be great if the hardware manufacturers gave wide mode zooms like many TV's now have. that way the actual discs could be oar and the people who must have no black bars can either zoom manually, or even have the player set up to automatically zoom to fill their screen, but that seems to make too much sense....

Disney isn't actually altering any aspect ratios as far as I know. They are just labeling material that is already 16x9 as Family Friendly Widescreen. Most of these are animated features that were animated at 1.77:1 to begin with, and thus, are OAR.

The only exception to this rule (so far) would be Brother Bear , which was projected at 2.35 theatrically.

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The real question is will they have region coding, and will they have some sort of copy-protection scheme that gets in the way of people playing legitimate store-bought copies?
I hope the trend of starting every disc out with a menu stops by the time HD discs are out, I wanna watch the damn movie, not play a video game!!

Now I remember why I stopped posting on this forum.

Well maybe if you spent more time describing exactly what you meant rather than use the dopey term "foolscreen" you would get a more meaningful response. :rolleyes:

what I wondering if studios were going to be presenting their HD Films in OAR only, and nixing the Pan and Scan crap that has been plaguing the current DVD standard.

Fool Screen is a genius term btw :P

I think they'll crop some movies so they look like they're widescreen (like they did with Kung Fu). I also think (just like now) they'll sometimes enhance things, such as adding 5.1 (which is fine if they don't leave off the original soundtrack) or doing excessive cleanup to get rid of all the grain so that it doesn't even look a movie anymore.

Probably when/if HD TVs and DVDs become standard, 1.85 will be "full screen", 2.35 will be widescreen, and 2.35 cropped to 1.85 will be the new pan and scan "full screen".

I like 1.85. Everything but the 3rd option you listed there I like the sound of. Cropping 2.35 to a 1.85 ( technically 1.78 ) is a horrible idea.

It's not as bad as cropping and panning a 2.35 film to 1.33 but that's just insane.

it is my opinion that if you want full screen, you have to go back to VHS.

Is that the full-color version? Been waiting for that one for a while.

I definitely hope the next gen is more stringent on OAR. I guess I don't mind 'clean up' of technical difficulties/sound, but sometimes that style is part of the film experience.

This is sad. Fool screen? Are you 12 years old?

No they don't. The OAR of recent Disney movies is 1.66:1. As far as I can remember, this is how they are presented on DVD.

When/if 1.85 WS TVs are standard I'm sure that'll happen. Remember, they want to sell DVDs. Star Wars was released in full screen. When it's on HD-DVD the full screen will be cropped but not as much as it is now.

The title of this thread could be grounds for actual discussion if not filled with the drooling child banter on aspect ratios. Things I consider "evil" as part of the current DVD standard: forced trailers or other nonsense that cannot be skipped via the menu or skip buttons or forwarded with the seek buttons, bloated animated menu systems, function disablement (DVDs that will not let you switch audio formats, subtitle tracks or use the repeat functions of your remote). I'm positive these will be present in the next formats with possibly more restrictive "features" as well.

True to a point, but the beginning is actually set in a different aspect ratio then the rest of the picture; the switch is intentional. It starts near 1.85 then changes to cinema scope, and that change is preserved on the DVD. The difference is at the theater, either there was a reel change or the opening segment was matted from 2.35 to 1.85.

There is nothing done to the transfer on Brother Bear that was not intentional.

I also agree with the person who suggested building a zooming feature intp the players so that all discs can be released in OAR and let the player handle the bastardizing.