The new scene with The Max Rebo Band is still laughingly bad. The two CGI singers with the three female backup had me shaking my head and busting out in laughter. George should had just drop that scene IMO.

On the bright side I glad he did'nt take out Oola's boob shot out.:D

Happy endings are only effective when the characters deservedly earn their right to celebrate. The rebellion was handed their victory by lazy storytelling, not a good fight.

Generalization here: Return of the Jedi seems more popular with those who were too young to see Star Wars and Empire initially, and were introduced to the Star Wars universe by Return of the Jedi. There's nothing wrong with that.

I wonder if the kids born in the late 90's will have a nostalgic fondness for The Phantom Menace because it was their first experience with such excitement?

"Gigantic rocks" that are easily handled by three foot tall Teddy Bears? Yes, the troopers should've had no problem with them. And yes, arrows SHOULD be able to bounce off that armor. What the hell's the point of even wearing it?

I never understoof the whole arrows thing myself..I don't hate the Ewoks that much, they don't really ruin the movie for me. Getting rocks thrown at you might hurt though, especially if they were traveling down, which is what they were.

Its not like stormtroopers were super great in any of the other movies.

There are some problems with Jedi but overall I think it gets a bad rap. The Luke/Vader/Emperor scene and the space battle are great, the Ewoks don't make much sense, but oh well.

My 2 cents on the whole ewok hate thing...

I saw Star Wars in 1977 when I was 10 years old. It was the perfect age to be totally blown away by it, and I was. I was already a sci-fi fan, but this was on a level far above the Star Trek reruns I watched after school. I had all the toys, sheets, lunch box, etc. It was the one time in my life when I was truly obsessed with something.

By the time I saw ROTJ, I was 16. I was still a sci-fi nerd, but I had discovered heavy metal, *****, cars, and all the other things teenagers lust after. Not to mention that by this point I had read a lot of really good sci-fi books. I saw Star Wars and Empire multiple times in the theater (unheard of for my family to see any movie more than once in the theater). but only saw Jedi once. No toys, and certainly no lunch box for me.

The magic was gone. I remember sitting in the theater during the "yub yub" song thinking, 'Well, I guess that's that" and wishing that it had been something special. I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it. I was sort of numb to the whole thing. Knowing the whole thing was over and that I really didn't mind all that much was probably as big an event in my life as being enchanted by the first one.

I can easily see how fans who grew up with the trilogy would have a really bad reaction to the ewoks. I always thought the whole endor sequence was really slow paced and boring (even the speeder bike chase was kind of dull). Plus, hardcore fans knew by that point about Lucas' early ideas of a battle between stormtroopers and wookies while the rebels attacked the death star, so seeing a bastardized version of that idea was a real let-down. I don't think I ever actually hated the ewoks though.

It's probably even easier for newer fans, who first saw in on tape or on TV, to hate the little buggers. Seeing Jedi for the first time without the three year wait after ESB really drives home the difference between a great movie and a good movie.

I've grown to appreciate a lot of things about ROTJ, and not just the slave-girl outfit (best. costume. ever.). The scene with Luke and Vader after Luke surrenders is probably the best single scene in the entire series, and the final lightsaber duel is much darker than I remembered it. Even the endor crap seems shorter than it was before.

This is exactly the kind of post I wanted to see. He even admits that it's his nostalgia that makes him value the first 2 movies as opposed to the sequel!

Personally I think Jedi ranks about 4th for all the star wars movies (I did rank it 5 but it moved up a notch after watching the DVD)

my main problem was that it was basically a rehash of the original ie: Mos Eisley compared to Jabbas Palace and the Death Star Battle and thats it my only problem (well maybee the Jedi Rocks in the SE but lets not go there) (ok maybee the Luke Leia sister thing too)

the final confrontation between Luke and Vader were awesome

the Ewoks I can deal with, I'm not an Ewok fan but they didn't have a negative effect on me. (the same can be said about Jar Jar in TPM)

although Jabba's palace and the Death Star are basically a rehash , they are still done spectacularly.

Leia's slave girl outfit ... nuff said

ROTJ is still better than 99% of the movies out there.

I will say something. In spite of the stupidity of Ewoks, and the fact that it recycles the Death Star, there's something just *right* about the final confrontation between Luke and Vader, and how Vader finally redeems himself in the Force by destroying the Emperor by chucking him into the big pit thing.

RETURN OF THE JEDI will always be by far the weakest of the trilogy. It has the benefit of being the final film in the trilogy, and therefore it gets the weight of having the penultimate ending. So, in spite of how much the middle of the film is just awful, it redeems itself much as Vader does with one hell of a final space battle sequence and the death of the Emperor. And yes, I prefer the new version's celebration sequence to the old version's. No stupid Ewok song, for one thing. It's a shame that Lucas feels the need to prove over and over how the moviews are HIS and therefore F*** his fans by putting Naboo in it, but you take the bad with the good. I guess the hate flows through him. Only William Shatner must hate his fans more.

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.....no you shouldnt. You seem to have a weird obsession with Han.

how is ADDING 2 seconds of footage F***ing his fans?

Hey, when you're getting anally raped, 2 seconds is a long time.

The only arrows I noticed doing any damage were ones that hit in weak spots (i.e. the neck where it's just black cloth to allow mobility.

Just like medieval armor, a few arrows get in the weak points of the armor when you get bombarded.

its not rape when you pay for it.

You people are putting WAY too much thought into these movies. If you like ROTJ, fine. You like it, enjoy it! If you don't, you don't! What is the point of ranting about it online? Do you actually think you're changing anyone's opinion? Does that "50 Reasons this Movie Sucks" do anything but make the people who liked the movie feel bad? I don't think so. If you didn't like ROTJ, you either didn't "get" it or it's not for you. Move on with your fucking life.

Whats the point your rant?

That ranting about how much you think a movie sucks does nothing but make those who like the movie feel stupid. It doesn't convince anyone that a movie is bad. So why do it?

I don't know about others but whenever someone bashes a movie I like, it sure as hell doesnt make me feel stupid.

Read what I wrote again. I didn't say it makes EVERYONE feel stupid. I said the only thing it would do is make people who liked it feel bad. So at best, no one has their opinion of the movie changed. At worst, lots of people feel crappy.

These people must not have very high self esteem if they feel sad, crappy and stupid when someone doesnt like a movie they do! :lol:

No kidding. I couldn't care less about anyone's opinions on movies other than my own.

You're not getting, so nevermind.

I don't mind Jedi so much, but I was disappointed with it at the time it came out (when I was 11 years-old). I didn't dislike the Ewoks at all, but the movie overall just wasn't entertaining enough when compared to the first two, and I certainly didn't trek to the theater nearly as many times as I had with the first two.

I didn't know anything about the story before seeing it, but I expected more from it going in anyway, and I was disappointed (something I wasn't after seeing Empire despite my high expectations for that movie). I liked it, but I didn't love it like I did the first two.

None of the movies hold up that well for me as an adult, but Jedi is still the weak sister even in my current view of the original trilogy.