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06-21-04, 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rammsteinfan
Yeah, I think he was like 130 or so in the TNG unification episode...
Yeah, I think he was like 130 or so in the TNG unification episode...
I may buy this as Generations and First Contact were the only decent TNG films.
06-22-04, 02:56 AM
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Already sold my copy of Generations on Ebay (for more than I paid for it, thanks Columbia House ). Yeah, Insurrection was crap, but Final Frontier was even worse and I already bought that...I just think it would be ashame not to have all 10 SEs together
). Yeah, Insurrection was crap, but Final Frontier was even worse and I already bought that...I just think it would be ashame not to have all 10 SEs together
06-22-04, 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Admiral7
I can't believe the people who disliked "Insurrection" actually liked "Generations," which, to me, is the 2nd worst Star Trek movie of them all, next to Star Trek 5. The first half of the movie had great promise and just deteriorated into a big steaming pile of crap.
I can't believe the people who disliked "Insurrection" actually liked "Generations," which, to me, is the 2nd worst Star Trek movie of them all, next to Star Trek 5. The first half of the movie had great promise and just deteriorated into a big steaming pile of crap.
06-22-04, 10:08 AM
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i think most Vulcans are supposed to live something like 200 years, so it's reasonable that Spock could live to see Kirk's grave.
And if the book is about Romulans and Borgs teaming up (stupid idea), it'd make sense that Spock would be involved, since he was left off on Romulus last we saw him (in 'Unification' pt 2).
06-22-04, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Josh Z
The first hour of Generations was pretty good, which is an hour more than Insurrection has going for it. Even the second half is punctuated with cool scenes such as the saucer section crash. Kirk's death scene is pretty bad and the movie's plot as a whole isn't so great, but it still ranks for me solidly in the middle of the pack, well above The Final Frontier, Insurrection or even The Voyage Home (the most overrated Trek movie by far).
The first hour of Generations was pretty good, which is an hour more than Insurrection has going for it. Even the second half is punctuated with cool scenes such as the saucer section crash. Kirk's death scene is pretty bad and the movie's plot as a whole isn't so great, but it still ranks for me solidly in the middle of the pack, well above The Final Frontier, Insurrection or even The Voyage Home (the most overrated Trek movie by far).
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But at least the first version explains why his burial site is on top of a mountain when he died down in a gully (Jean-Luc dragged the body up there?!)
Actually, Shatner totally STEALS this movie from the TNG actors - showing the difference between television actors and movie stars. It's probably no secret why they kept him almost exclusively with Stewart in his scenes - he's the only one in the cast who could keep up with Shatner's charisma. Don't believe me...take Captain Kirk out of the plot and THEN how boring a film is this?!
06-22-04, 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Don't believe me...take Captain Kirk out of the plot and THEN how boring a film is this?!
Don't believe me...take Captain Kirk out of the plot and THEN how boring a film is this?!
08-24-04, 06:35 PM
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Hey, only 2 weeks til this comes out. Even if it's not the best Trek movie (and I even like "Insurrection") I'm going to get it, it had a lot of good moments mixed with not-so-good ones.
08-24-04, 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
But at least the first version explains why his burial site is on top of a mountain when he died down in a gully (Jean-Luc dragged the body up there?!)
But at least the first version explains why his burial site is on top of a mountain when he died down in a gully (Jean-Luc dragged the body up there?!)
08-24-04, 07:00 PM
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A little off topic, but can someone explain to me how Spock, Sarek, McCoy, and Scotty ended up in TNG? What happened to them there? I'm a new fan of the original 6 films and would like to know the stories behind these characters' appearances some 90 years in the future.
08-24-04, 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Daniel L
A little off topic, but can someone explain to me how Spock, Sarek, McCoy, and Scotty ended up in TNG? What happened to them there? I'm a new fan of the original 6 films and would like to know the stories behind these characters' appearances some 90 years in the future.
A little off topic, but can someone explain to me how Spock, Sarek, McCoy, and Scotty ended up in TNG? What happened to them there? I'm a new fan of the original 6 films and would like to know the stories behind these characters' appearances some 90 years in the future.
OK, Vulcans live to be several hundred years old. So this explains how Spock and Sarek can make it to the 24th Century. I'm not a real big expert on dates here, but IIRC, the original movies take place around the 2280s-90s, and the TNG, DS9, and VOY series take place in the 2340s or so. I could be wrong on that. I'm too lazy to check right now for sure.
Also, Tuvok from VOY was also around at the time of Star Trek VI. He was aboard the Excelsior during the Praxis explosion.
McCoy on the other hand is a real old man of I think 120 or so by the time of the TNG pilot. That's possible I guess in the 24th Century.
Scotty on the other hand, appeared in the 6th season episode Relics as not much older than he was in the original 6 films because he went on a mission in a shuttle-like ship and was marooned on the surface of a giant sphere that contained an entire solar system. He put himself into the transporter's memory buffers as a form of stasis.
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08-24-04, 10:51 PM
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I had the widescreen VHS in my hands this past weekend. So looking forward to this.
08-25-04, 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
Tuvok from VOY was also around at the time of Star Trek VI. He was aboard the Excelsior during the Praxis explosion.
Tuvok from VOY was also around at the time of Star Trek VI. He was aboard the Excelsior during the Praxis explosion.
This is bullcrap.
1) Star Trek loves to reuse actors for their tv shows and movies.
2) The actor who played Tuvok, Tim Russ, was at the beginning of Star Trek Generations...NOT Trek 6.
3) He wasn't even playing Tuvok. You can tell by his accent, his makeup, and his lack of Vulcan ears! You want proof? Check out the DVD at 11 minutes 19 seconds.
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08-25-04, 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Lara Means
This is bullcrap.
1) Star Trek loves to reuse actors for their tv shows and movies.
2) The actor who played Tuvok, Tim Russ, was at the beginning of Star Trek Generations...NOT Trek 6.
3) He wasn't even playing Tuvok. You can tell by his accent, his makeup, and his lack of Vulcan ears! You want proof? Check out the DVD at 11 minutes 19 seconds.
This is bullcrap.
1) Star Trek loves to reuse actors for their tv shows and movies.
2) The actor who played Tuvok, Tim Russ, was at the beginning of Star Trek Generations...NOT Trek 6.
3) He wasn't even playing Tuvok. You can tell by his accent, his makeup, and his lack of Vulcan ears! You want proof? Check out the DVD at 11 minutes 19 seconds.
Jeez, relax. What Mike Lowrey is referring to is the Voyager episode "Flashback," in which Tuvok reveals that he was aboard the Excelsior when Praxis exploded. It was basically a plot device to get George Takei as a guest star using flashbacks. So no, Tim Russ wasn't in ST VI. But Tuvok was supposedly there (but not shown).
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08-25-04, 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by Josh Z
The first hour of Generations was pretty good, which is an hour more than Insurrection has going for it. Even the second half is punctuated with cool scenes such as the saucer section crash. Kirk's death scene is pretty bad and the movie's plot as a whole isn't so great, but it still ranks for me solidly in the middle of the pack, well above The Final Frontier, Insurrection or even The Voyage Home (the most overrated Trek movie by far).
The first hour of Generations was pretty good, which is an hour more than Insurrection has going for it. Even the second half is punctuated with cool scenes such as the saucer section crash. Kirk's death scene is pretty bad and the movie's plot as a whole isn't so great, but it still ranks for me solidly in the middle of the pack, well above The Final Frontier, Insurrection or even The Voyage Home (the most overrated Trek movie by far).
I really thought that I alone, of the 5 Billion people on Earth, felt that way about The Voyage Home
08-25-04, 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Lara Means
This is bullcrap.
1) Star Trek loves to reuse actors for their tv shows and movies.
2) The actor who played Tuvok, Tim Russ, was at the beginning of Star Trek Generations...NOT Trek 6.
3) He wasn't even playing Tuvok. You can tell by his accent, his makeup, and his lack of Vulcan ears! You want proof? Check out the DVD at 11 minutes 19 seconds.
This is bullcrap.
1) Star Trek loves to reuse actors for their tv shows and movies.
2) The actor who played Tuvok, Tim Russ, was at the beginning of Star Trek Generations...NOT Trek 6.
3) He wasn't even playing Tuvok. You can tell by his accent, his makeup, and his lack of Vulcan ears! You want proof? Check out the DVD at 11 minutes 19 seconds.
08-25-04, 11:09 AM
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My thoughts throughout Generations on my initial viewing:
Opening scene with Kirk, Chekov, Scotty: Pretty cool. Grade: B+ so far.
Data's emotion chip: a clumsy plot device and lazy way to get Geordi eventually captured and propel the story. Unfunny scenes as well. Grade: B-
End of the Enterprise D: Another device created just so they could let go of the past and get a shiny new ship in the next one. Still, the scene is terrific and should sound awesome on the new dvd. Grade: Shoots up to a B+
Picard getting his ass beat around some rocky mountains for 20 minutes: The formulaic nature and flatness of the premise really becomes apparent here and you start to think "Oh where the hell is Kirk already?" Grade: B
Picard swept into the Nexus: Surprisingly effective scene. Not quite what I expected, and Picard should have come to his senses through his own sheer willpower without help from Whoopi Goldberg, but it works well and the music is great. Grade: B+
The two Captains ride horses: they meet in a somewhat purile manner but it's great seeing the two together. Baldie vs. Super-rug. Toupee or not Toupee. Shatner outshines Picard in every way. Grade: A-
Kirk's Death: You have got to be f**king kidding me. THIS is how they send off the Kirkster?? By falling into a ravine with a collapsed bridge!!? Unforgivable. An ignoble end for a character fans have loved for 30 years.
Final Grade: C
Opening scene with Kirk, Chekov, Scotty: Pretty cool. Grade: B+ so far.
Data's emotion chip: a clumsy plot device and lazy way to get Geordi eventually captured and propel the story. Unfunny scenes as well. Grade: B-
End of the Enterprise D: Another device created just so they could let go of the past and get a shiny new ship in the next one. Still, the scene is terrific and should sound awesome on the new dvd. Grade: Shoots up to a B+
Picard getting his ass beat around some rocky mountains for 20 minutes: The formulaic nature and flatness of the premise really becomes apparent here and you start to think "Oh where the hell is Kirk already?" Grade: B
Picard swept into the Nexus: Surprisingly effective scene. Not quite what I expected, and Picard should have come to his senses through his own sheer willpower without help from Whoopi Goldberg, but it works well and the music is great. Grade: B+
The two Captains ride horses: they meet in a somewhat purile manner but it's great seeing the two together. Baldie vs. Super-rug. Toupee or not Toupee. Shatner outshines Picard in every way. Grade: A-
Kirk's Death: You have got to be f**king kidding me. THIS is how they send off the Kirkster?? By falling into a ravine with a collapsed bridge!!? Unforgivable. An ignoble end for a character fans have loved for 30 years.
Final Grade: C
08-25-04, 11:18 AM
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Loved the first 15 minutes of the film, with some of TOS crew on board.
Shatner's response to the inexperienced captain was great"
"Let me guess....next Tuesday".
After this, the film went WAY downhill.
Shatner's response to the inexperienced captain was great"
"Let me guess....next Tuesday".
After this, the film went WAY downhill.
08-25-04, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
McCoy on the other hand is a real old man of I think 120 or so by the time of the TNG pilot. That's possible I guess in the 24th Century.
McCoy on the other hand is a real old man of I think 120 or so by the time of the TNG pilot. That's possible I guess in the 24th Century.
Or maybe it's just that his molecules stayed younger by not getting tossed all around the galaxy.
08-25-04, 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by THX7966
Jeez, relax. What Mike Lowrey is referring to is the Voyager episode "Flashback," in which Tuvok reveals that he was aboard the Excelsior when Praxis exploded. It was basically a plot device to get George Takei as a guest star using flashbacks. So no, Tim Russ wasn't in ST VI. But Tuvok was supposedly there (but not shown).
Jeez, relax. What Mike Lowrey is referring to is the Voyager episode "Flashback," in which Tuvok reveals that he was aboard the Excelsior when Praxis exploded. It was basically a plot device to get George Takei as a guest star using flashbacks. So no, Tim Russ wasn't in ST VI. But Tuvok was supposedly there (but not shown).
