Jurassic Park Trilogy DTS ??
 

I just got JP Trilogy (red & silver box) from DDD.com
Is JP 1 & 2 in DTS???

All the web sites i've looked at say yes..
but the back of the box only has JP 3 listed as DTS.

and JP 1 & 2 have the same catalog #'s that my JP 1 & 2 set have.....

so should I open it up & test or ship it back...

thankz

There were separate releases for the first two films. A DD version and separate DTS version. I'm pretty sure the trilogy box only comes with the DD versions of the first two films. JP3 has both DD and DTS on the same disc.

Remember, at least on JP1, the DD track is superior to the DTS. Not all DTS tracks are created equal.

True. Not all DTS tracks are created equal. Because Universal screwed up the DTS track on the initial pressing of JP1.

This only applies to the botched 1st pressing. The 2nd DTS pressing is excellent and definately demo quality.

Keep in mind the new DTS pressing is simply extra bass pumped up-- it does not replicate the original theatrical release as the DD version does.

I've never heard this before. &nbsp AFAIK, the second DTS pressing is just as good as the DD track.

i'm intrigued about this too... i was under the impression that after they fixed the DTS track from the 1st pressing, it was better than or at least, equal to the DD track...

Not this again! -ohbfrank-

Agreed.

Summary:

(1) Jp1 first pressing had a bad bass DTS track. DD did not and sounded fine. Hense, DD sounded better then DTS.

(2) New pressing of JP1 DTS is made and fixes the bass problem. Hense DTS sounds good as or better than DD track (depending on HT setup).

(3) That's the history lesson, however the confusion never seems goes away.

It is known - and a FACT - that Universal simply bumped up the bass up on the new DTS version to "satisfy" fans. Yes, the corrected DTS version has MORE bass than the DD track. (One should note there is a bass management issue/problem with the first DTS release.)

More bass does not neccessarily mean better or even correct to what the original presentation happened to be.

I know I am not the first person on this forum to point this fact out, but it's worth mentioning. This is why I stick with the DD version just as I stick with OAR movies.

If you want the correct theatrical presentation, get the DD version. If you just want more bass, definitely get the corrected DTS version.

Well in this case more bass does mean better. The only thing wrong with the first DTS track was that the bass was too low. So adding more bass did fix it. If the bass wasn't the problem and upping it was all they did it wouldn't be correct. But since that was the problem how can you say that correcting it didn't make it right? I had the first pressing (which I exchanged), but if I turned up the bass level on it, it sounded great- just like the fixed copy does.

DavidH:

I agree. It is a known FACT that Universal kicked up the bass on the 2nd DTS pressing of JP1. Its also a known FACT that the 1st pressing was authored wrong - the bass was set too low.

Seems like we are in violent agreement here.

And no the whole Bass Management issue that HTF's Vince Maskeeper kept harping on was wrong. The bass was authored too low. A comparison of the digital audio tracks CLEARLY showed this.

Bass mangament is important - however turning up ones low frequency volume to compensate for one single title obvioulsy shows that something is wrong with the disc and not the hardware setup.

funny how only 1 post answers my question....

What the hell do you expect when you ask a question that has "DD" and "DTS" in it?




;)

Your question was answered in the first reply.

Another DVDTalker asked a related question and that is why we are having this discussion.

Why is that funny?

The DD version had the correct bass all along. It is known to be correct according to the ORIGINAL theatrical track. Yes, the first DTS pressing was too low; the second pressing too much. Just because more bass is added doesn't make the track correct.
Choose which version you like --- or choose which version is correct. This issue is similar to OAR.

Since we started a DD vs. DTS war, I thought that I would chime in with this.

GO DTS!!!! DTS RULES!!!!

Just kidding.

what about the lost world? how do they compare on that movie?

You keep spewing this "it's a fact" and "it is known to be correct according to the ORIGINAL theatrical track" but where is this supposed fact/proof coming from. If you base it on goofs such as Maskeeper (from HTF) then you are so far away from facts it's pitiful! That person has been shown to NOT know what he's talking about so many times it not funny!

Please post a link from Universal that backs up your claim. Otherwise it just looks like another anti-DTS poster posting supposed facts that have no basis in reality!

I was thinking about ordering the JP 1 (DTS) release from Amazon.com or (most probably from) Digitaleyes.

WHICH version do they currently ship?

I must be 100% sure that I'm getting the corrected one BECAUSE they do not offer the replacements for international customer (I'm from Latvia) - I won't beable to replace it, and I don't want to stick with the "bad" one.

fuel to the fire...

Wasn't Jurassic Park the first DTS movie in theaters? So how could a DD version be the correct version anyway?

I guess when JP DVD first came out, not many people had dts capable equipment. So the general public would go for the DD version.

Another question, do you have the "corrected" version in the local stores in U.S. and/or Canada? I mean, NOT web-stores, but the ones you can go to and check out the disc before you buy it.

Yeah. I bought one from a local store last year and it's the corrected version. But I didn't bust the case open and check the disc while inside the store before I bought it though.

If you can...get the JP DTS disc with the RED Grid around the Technical Specs at the bottom of the back cover...this indicates the corrected DTS version...

Its an amazing track!

2eau:

But can you tell the difference in the packaging, too? I've read that the back cover looks somewhat different... (like the grid around techn. specs looks different or something)

Right, that's exactly what I was talking about - the red grid on the package.

BUT there's a problem - I can't see the back cover when ordering in a web-store. And I can't go to U.S. store to check if the grid is red or not - I don't live in U.S.

And if I take the risk and order the disk in Internet (I'd tru Digitaleyes), and get the old "defective" version then I won't be able to replace it (Columbia House does not send replacements outside U.S. - they suggested me to buy the Region 2 disc in "my region" - how smart, huhh?).

I just picked up JP-DTS, The Lost World DTS, and JPIII (DTS & DD) from best buy last week on a 3-$20 deal. The JP is the corrected version. I used a Madden coupon to make it $16. Sweet.

What's "best buy"?

Mike, most movies are submitted to theatres in BOTH DTS and DD to ensure capatibility with the theatre's preference. So that wouldn't be an indication of anything.

that is what I figured. I know our local upgraded just for JP though.

Just a store in the U.S. Go to the Store forum and you'll see numerous threads delicated to the hate and like of it ;)

Btw, they have a website bestbuy.com

anyone who has the corrected dts version, if you have a dvd-rom can you check the file dates for me? thanks.

The corrected version should have a time stamp of November, and the original disc has July. You can also check the inner ring of the disc. If it has D2R2 or PEMC 22 in it, then you have the corrected version. The orginal has D2R1 on the inner ring.

I bought mine from Best Buy a couple of weeks ago. The inner ring reads BB207871R2SP01> Is this the corrected version?

thanks a bunch!
my jp dts didn't have a red grid, but the files were dated november.

Here's "fact" for you....

I stood in the DVCC facility in Los Angeles just months after the first release of JP and asked them about that disc. They were reticent to offer details, but I was able to determine that both the DD and DTS tracks were sourced from the same audio master. This was said to be essentially the same as the theatrical mix with only the minor changes required for near field environments (home theater).

What Vince Maskeeper (and others) tried to tell people back then was, and is, true. The real truth of the matter is the DTS track on the first presing of this disc was completely unaltered and the weakness of the LFE track is a result of the DTS encoder not producing flat response in the LFE track (also a fact). The DD sounded stronger because the DTS track had a roll-off of bass frequencies betweem 50 and 100 Hz.

BTW, the disc was "fixed" not because of consumer outcry, but at the behest of DTS themselves through Amblin (who is about the only people that could get Universal to do such a thing). The way the disc was "fixed" was the disc was simply reauthored with the DTS track sourced from the master created for the DTS laserdisc several years before. A mix that was created specifically for laserdisc at the time and not truly representative of the theatrical mix.

Whether one is better than the other is not the point, or at least it shouldn't be. "Better" is purely subjective in this context anyway. The point is, the first disc represents the original intent of the filmmakers (the DD does) and the second pressing represents the intent of DTS. It should also be noted that when the disc was reauthored, someone made the decision to use the original mix for the DD track and used the LD mix only for the DTS track. Hmmmm....