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Numanoid 03-19-04 08:08 PM

Re: Here comes the Dual-Layer DVD Burners
 

Originally posted by DVD Josh
I think that studios may pull a Norway on us and demand that blank media be taxed at a high rate with royalties going to them.
How does that work, anyway? Do all studios get an equal cut? Does the studio which releases no name b-movies get the same royalties as Disney?

Class316 03-19-04 10:36 PM

There's gonna be bootlegs? NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo! You're kidding me!!!

Scorpio 03-19-04 10:48 PM

:banana:

Ergyu 03-19-04 11:00 PM

For shits sake I just bought the Sony DRU 530A!!! Crap! For only 30 bucks less too.

Cocopugg 03-19-04 11:38 PM

I back up all my DVDs to DVD-R, and I have Sony DVD jukeboxes that FLIP discs, so I record onto double-sided DVD-Rs. This way Instead of 300 titles, my jukeboxes can play 600 titles each. There's alot of compression software out there that allows you to strip all the extras, and extra dialog tracks off the original DVD so that even a DVD 9 can fit perfectly onto a DVD-R without loss of quality. Since I am very happy with this arrangement, unless they eventually release dual layered DVD+Rs that are dual sided, I don't think I'll be upgrading to a Dual layered DVD recorder.

CP

DavidH 03-20-04 10:17 AM

I've been told by someone that depending on the current single layer DVD burner you buy today, you might be able to upgrade the firmware one day so that it can become a dual-layer burner. I'm not sure if this is true or not.

Tarantino 03-20-04 10:28 AM


Originally posted by DVD Josh
I think we are just talking about two different things.

To put it bluntly - I buy alot of used DVDs on half and eBay. I'm pretty careful, and most of the time it's pretty obvious what's what. But I'm concerned that with dual layer burners and color lasers and glossy photo paper is that you could produce a DVD for $4 that is essentially the same exact thing as an original. I'm just saying that it's going to get a whole lot tougher to discern real from fake.

Hey, if you get duped on ebay or something, but it's the exact same DVD-9 disc, who cares? You're getting the same movie with perfect quality and all the extras.

Where's the problem?

Admiral7 03-20-04 12:45 PM

I gotta agree with Josh on this one. Have you ever noticed the homemade DVD covers people make for bootlegs . . . ahem, excuse me, I mean "backups"? In many cases, not only are they indiscernable from studio produced inserts, most oftimes they are even BETTER.

Cocopugg,

I backup a lot of DVDs as well, but even if you strip every extra from your disc, which I prefer NOT to do if I don't have to, because I like extras, most movies themselves are still too large for a DVD-5, and some compression is going to have to take place anyway.

Cocopugg 03-21-04 10:04 AM


Originally posted by Admiral7
I gotta agree with Josh on this one. Have you ever noticed the homemade DVD covers people make for bootlegs . . . ahem, excuse me, I mean "backups"? In many cases, not only are they indiscernable from studio produced inserts, most oftimes they are even BETTER.

Cocopugg,

I backup a lot of DVDs as well, but even if you strip every extra from your disc, which I prefer NOT to do if I don't have to, because I like extras, most movies themselves are still too large for a DVD-5, and some compression is going to have to take place anyway.

True, but since I'm more interested in TV shows, they don't have to be compressed, I just put 4 or 5 to a side instead of the 7 or 8 that come on the disc. Also, with the new compression software that's out there, like DVD Shrink, the movies I have compressed look so good you would be very hard pressed to tell it was compressed. Compression of up to 85% of original quality still looks pretty unnoticeable, even to my eyes.

CP

chemosh6969 03-21-04 10:31 AM


Originally posted by Cocopugg
True, but since I'm more interested in TV shows, they don't have to be compressed, I just put 4 or 5 to a side instead of the 7 or 8 that come on the disc. Also, with the new compression software that's out there, like DVD Shrink, the movies I have compressed look so good you would be very hard pressed to tell it was compressed. Compression of up to 85% of original quality still looks pretty unnoticeable, even to my eyes.

CP

Shhhh....people here don't like to hear that the truth is that movies can look perfect on a dvd-r. You have to say that you can't copy an entire disc onto a dvd-r and that all copies look like someone filmed it in a theater.

Axorr 03-21-04 12:32 PM

YES! I *knew* this would make it to the market this year! Now, how long will it take for DVD Studio Pro to make the update?!

I gots BOXES of MSTs waiting for archival off of VHS!

I won't be getting this drive as I want to wait for Pioneers combo drive (I prefer -R over +R...). I've just had more luck with compatablility.

GREAT news!

Cocopugg 03-21-04 03:58 PM


Originally posted by Axorr
YES! I *knew* this would make it to the market this year! Now, how long will it take for DVD Studio Pro to make the update?!

I gots BOXES of MSTs waiting for archival off of VHS!

I won't be getting this drive as I want to wait for Pioneers combo drive (I prefer -R over +R...). I've just had more luck with compatablility.

GREAT news!

You may have a long wait. I've read Pioneer's -R dual layer format was having some compatibility problems, and it may take them longer to perfect the format. I would say +R dual layered will probably be more compatible with current DVD players, and will probably wind up as the format of choice.

CP

chemosh6969 03-21-04 04:28 PM


Originally posted by Axorr
YES! I *knew* this would make it to the market this year! Now, how long will it take for DVD Studio Pro to make the update?!

I gots BOXES of MSTs waiting for archival off of VHS!

I won't be getting this drive as I want to wait for Pioneers combo drive (I prefer -R over +R...). I've just had more luck with compatablility.

GREAT news!

of course this news comes out right after I buy my burner.

drjay 03-21-04 08:13 PM


Originally posted by Tarantino
Hey, if you get duped on ebay or something, but it's the exact same DVD-9 disc, who cares? You're getting the same movie with perfect quality and all the extras.

Where's the problem?

No problem with the actual product really, but how about the fact that he's false advertising or that he's making money off of something other people made (I realize that sounded like those awful pirate ads before movies) or that it would drive normal DVD prices up? I don't know, I've gotten bootlegs before and one or two of 'em took me a while to realize they were boots. I'd rather give my money to the studio and a retailer than to some guy like me sitting around making these.

Qui Gon Jim 03-22-04 09:05 AM


Originally posted by masetodd
If the studios were smart, they'd make DVD's CHEAPER, not more expensive to thwart bootlegging. If real DVDs were only a couple of bucks more than phonys, most people would buy real.
This is the ultimate solution to bootlegging, and is actually why DVD is making tons of money while CD sales are on a steady slide...

mrpayroll 03-22-04 11:09 AM

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...ight=sony+dual

Repost!


Chris


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