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Old 01-26-04, 10:02 AM
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David Lynch's Dune 2-Disc SE in UK..what about R1???

A 2-disc special edition of David Lynch's Dune (theatrical version) is being prepared for release in the UK in (suprisingly) REGION 0!!!
Here is the link:
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=6553

Aren't UK dvds mastered in PAL format rather than the NTSC?
Is Universal planning on a similar release for USA region 1?

Reading this news just made me drool
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Do a search in this forum and the International Forum on DUNE and you'll see that this has been discussed many times. The short answer is NO to a SE in Region One.
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Re: David Lynch's Dune 2-Disc SE in UK..what about R1???

Originally posted by kid samurai
Aren't UK dvds mastered in PAL format rather than the NTSC?
Yes, UK DVDs are PAL, regardless of region coding.
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Unless its the 4-hour plus cut...I dont want to see it...hated the theatrical cut...
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I will be picking this one up.
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Remember that if you play it on your pc, you don't have to worry about PAL/NTSC, unless you do video out and have a cheap card.
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It looks OK, but it's pretty much useless without either an extended cut or all the deleted scenes included on another disc. I wouldn't mind a 16x9 redo of the theatrical cut though so this would be a good start.
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Well I have a multi-region player so i'll be picking this up regardless,but on the odd chance my player should ever break will the disc play in a normal Region 1 player since the disc is Region 0?
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YES. Region 0's play in all players.
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"Unless its the 4-hour plus cut"

It amazes me with how these fallacies get spread. There is not such thing as a 4+ hour cut. Check this link out for ALL of the versions:
http://www.duneworld.org/movie/

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http://www.arrakis.co.uk/extended.html

You may have been mistaken by this laserdisc:
"David Lynch's "Dune" Japanese LaserDisc premium boxset on Comstock / Pioneer #PILF-7297. NTSC, CLV, 326 minutes, digital audio (Dolby Surround), in English with Japanese subtitles. Deluxe package includes:-
-"Dune" 1984 theatrical version: 137 minutes, cinemascope size (1 x 2.35),
subtitles are in the bottom black stripe, 47 chapters, with trailer, in a gatefold sleeve.

- "Dune" 1988 TV version: 189 minutes, TV size, 55 chapters, in two separate sleeves:
Part 1 and Part 2 as broadcast on NBC, version notavailable in the USA."

As you can clearly see the longest version is approximately 3 hours and 9 minutes. There is no 4 hour version unless you recorded it off of TV WITH the commercials. That would be the ONLY way it could be over 4 hours long. I taped the extended addition(P&S) on the Disney Channel(minus the heart plug scene). Regardless of the amount of versions due to Di$ney reediting the reedit there is no verion that long.

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Originally posted by anakinforce
Well I have a multi-region player so i'll be picking this up regardless,but on the odd chance my player should ever break will the disc play in a normal Region 1 player since the disc is Region 0?
No, the disc is in PAL format. You need a PAL-to-NTSC DVD player to watch it on an American television.
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I'll pick this up for the features, and because I'm a sucker for all things Dune.


- New 2.35:1 Anamorphic Widescreen transfer of the theatrical print (131mins)
- Remastered Dolby Digital 2.0 and 5.1 Surround Sound
- Impressions of Dune (40 mins) - All-new retrospective making-of documentary. Includes interviews with Kyle MacLachlan, cinematographer Freddie Francis, Editor Antony Gibbs, Producer Raffaella De Laurentiis and more (filmed in 2003)
- Frank Herbert Interview (From BBC archives - 2 mins)
- Original Promotional Film (6 mins) Never before seen period on-set film by Paul Sammon featuring David Lynch, Frank Herbert and many more
- All-new animated menus
- Theatrical Trailer
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I was referring to the 326min version...
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Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
I was referring to the 326min version...
what? there is no 326 minute version of the film. that listed 326 minute running time is the sum of the running times for the two different cuts on that laserdisc.
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Well I always think of it has 4 hours since thats how long it was with commercials on Sci-Fi channel...I meant the 3hr version...
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That's what I thought QuiGonJosh but I just wanted to make sure I snipped that rumor in the bud as this is how they spread. If there was a 4 hour version I would have picked it up several years ago. I read an interview that Frank Herbert did, as he was involved with the production. He stated that there was not enough physical cuts from what was filmed that would even allow for a 4 hour movie.
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Well if the 3hr version ever becomes available I will for sure own that one!
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Originally posted by C_Fletch
That's what I thought QuiGonJosh but I just wanted to make sure I snipped that rumor in the bud as this is how they spread. If there was a 4 hour version I would have picked it up several years ago. I read an interview that Frank Herbert did, as he was involved with the production. He stated that there was not enough physical cuts from what was filmed that would even allow for a 4 hour movie.
In an article I read there was mention that Lynch pretty much filmed the entire book and all it's sequences. The magazine Video Watchdog awhile back detailed the additional scenes that didn't make either the theatrical or extended network edition.
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Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
Well if the 3hr version ever becomes available I will for sure own that one!
That version has been available in R2 for some time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...077836-1821459
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So its possible there is a 4hr cut? or perhaps 3.5hr?
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- Versions of Dune -
What's truth, and what's rumor?


Rumors about extended versions of Dune have been circulating for years. Regardless of what the rumors say, there are only three versions of Dune known to exist. The version often found on video cassette is the theatrical release and is the most commonly seen. Its full length is 2 hours and 17 minutes, and it is rated PG-13. It was put on video cassette by MCA Universal and, until just recently, it had been out of print for some time. In May 1997, it was re-released in two formats. The standard pan and scan format is extactly the same as the original Dune video. The box it comes in is also the same. The widescreen format contains no extra footage, and its box has a gold border around its frame. (For information about how to find a copy of Dune on video cassette, please read the information on where to find Dune collectibles.)

Another version known to exist has been dubbed "the 4-hour" or extended version, but is more appropriately named the "Allen Smithee version." This is the generic name used in place of David Lynch's name. Lynch, the director, did got get to play a role in the editting process, so he fought to have his name removed and replaced with "Allen Smithee." Although it is sometimes called "the 4-hour version," this version, in reality, is closer to 3 hours, but since it is usually found on television (regularly on the Sci-Fi Channel), the added commercials bring the total playing time close to the 4-hour mark. The most notable changes in this release are in the introduction, where an older man gives a longer introduction to the film than Irulan did. This release also includes scenes that weren't included in the shortened version, like the making of the Water of Life and Gurney playing the baliset. Although this extended version is said to have been made for the people who have read the book, many Dune fans agree that the added footage subtracts from the work, rather than add to it. Certain extra scenes involving Jurgen Prochnow (Duke Leto) and Patrick Stewart (Gurney Halleck) were poorly acted, and their additions hurt the film. Yet despite the slightly lower quality of the extended version of Dune, it is still very popular and highly sought. This version has never been released on video cassette, but it has been put onto laserdisc. (Again, please refer to my page discussing where to find Dune collectibles.) If you are interested in learning which scenes were added or altered in this version, be sure to check out Hiphats' "The Arrakis File," which is devoted to this topic.

The third and final version of Dune is the "Channel 2 version," which was made and aired once in 1992 by KTVU, a local Fox affiliate in San Francisco. It was pieced together using only the Allen Smithee version and the theatrical release. (No extra footage was added.) Ron Miller, who helped with the production of Dune, put it best when he told me: "Evidently they did what anyone could have done: cobbled together an idiosyncratic version of the film by melding bits and pieces of the theatrical and original TV versions. This has got to be an even worse mess than the Smithee edition. I would avoid it at all costs. Restoring Dune requires more than just haphazardly pasting together every scrap of film one can find."

So, do other versions of Dune exist? Personally, I doubt it. Even if such a copy existed, I can promise you that it would be difficult to watch. To piece this so-called "6-hour version" together, someone would've needed to have had access to all the movie scraps that were left on the chopping block after the film was put together. Since it would've been done without permission from Dino De Laurentiis Corporation and David Lynch, it would've been illegal. However, in Eye, Frank Herbert said that there were 6 hours of footage shot. Although he dearly wished to have this 6-hour version released, it never was. (The "4-hour" version is not what he had wanted.) It is not known what this "director's cut" would've been like in terms of quality. Regardless of what has been said, I personally feel that such a film would've been very low quality. In the production of every film, many brief scenes (most of which don't span more than 5 seconds) are constantly cut as the film is pasted together into its final form. By picking up the table scraps and throwing them back into the film, the movie would've been very choppy, and some scenes would have to be omitted since they were replaced by others. So in the same manner that one can argue that there may be a 6-hour version of Dune, one can also argue that there may be a 6-hour version of Star Wars or Independence Day floating around. As many Dune fans have already noted, the extended version of Dune doesn't flow as well as the shortened version. As you add more and more low quality scenes that may or may not flow with the rest of the film, the quality of any extended version decreases almost exponentially. So, all in all, Dune fans should be content with the two versions that are currently available. Although more could've been done to make it a better film, Dune is still a beautiful movie because of its sets, cast, crew, and special effects, especially when one considers the time at which it was made.
http://www.duneworld.org/movie/
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But the fact of the matter is that both versions (and the reported third cut) have both advantages and disadvantages - the expanded intro was shot and assembled not by Lynch but by Universal tv execs to essentially flesh out the back story for those unfamiliar to the Dune universe. Also, looks at a number of the space ship shots (in the TV cut), some are repeated or optically flipped to expand the running time (why? yet it adds nothing to the flow of the movie). I have never seen the rumoured third cut of the film, but to add all the footage from both versions would be redundant and frustrating. The Video Watchdog article denotes a number of scenes that hit the cutting room floor, including a more detailed more violent ending, resulting in the death of another character. One can get the sense of grandeur Lynch was trying to achieve here, but it's only when you see and read the deleted footage does one get frustrated that Lynch hasn't revisted this film and rectify (and restore) all the flaws that both the theatrical/tv cut addresses.

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Originally posted by Giles
In an article I read there was mention that Lynch pretty much filmed the entire book and all it's sequences. The magazine Video Watchdog awhile back detailed the additional scenes that didn't make either the theatrical or extended network edition.
I suggest you re-read that Video Watchdog article, which was a comparison of the first draft of the script with both existing versions of the movie. Lynch most certainly did not film the entire book. In fact, he was ordered by the studio to cease filming several storylines during production. One of these subplots was the story of Harrah and her children, who can be seen in the background of a number of scenes but do not have an actual storyline in the film.

When MCA-TV assembled their longer cut of the film, they basically threw in every spare scrap of footage that they could get their hands on. It only truly amounts to about 20 minutes of extra material. The extra length of the TV version mainly comes from the overuse of cartoon inserts and repeated footage.
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I suggest you re-read that Video Watchdog article, which was a comparison of the first draft of the script with both existing versions of the movie. Lynch most certainly did not film the entire book. In fact, he was ordered by the studio to cease filming several storylines during production. One of these subplots was the story of Harrah and her children, who can be seen in the background of a number of scenes but do not have an actual storyline in the film.

When MCA-TV assembled their longer cut of the film, they basically threw in every spare scrap of footage that they could get their hands on. It only truly amounts to about 20 minutes of extra material. The extra length of the TV version mainly comes from the overuse of cartoon inserts and repeated footage.
I have to admit to never reading the book, but what importance and story progression do Harrah and her children play in the plot?

- threw in every spare scrap of footage that they could get their hands on

this is very apparent since it appears MCA-TV did rather haphazardley, you can see why Lynch had his name removed from the credits.
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I have to admit to never reading the book, but what importance and story progression do Harrah and her children play in the plot?
Not a huge part of the overall plot (at least if you are going to make a film of it). Remember the Fremen that Paul bested in combat (the first man that he ever killed)? That guy had a wife and children. And by Fremen tradition, Paul becomes basically a surragate husband/father to them.

They have no huge impact on the overall plot, so it was probably an easy cut to make. I know that Lynch has mentioned that he regretted losing the storyline, simply because the actress who played Harrah was basically cut entirely from the film, although she does show up prominantly in the end credits.
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