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dbmottle 10-09-03 07:12 AM

why not release separate WS and FS version of Finding Nemo?
 
This seems like it would make more sense as a DTS-ES track could be added. Anybody agree?

PalmerJoss 10-09-03 07:22 AM

I actually like the idea of combining both--it gives the viewer the option of seeing it either way without paying any extra $. It might even give someone who's never watched a movie in WS the opportunity to, and maybe show them what they've been missing.

Static Cling 10-09-03 07:55 AM

From a financial perspective, I think it makes more sense to them. They don't have to track FS discs and WS discs... whatever they put out, either camp will be interested in.

Plus, it's Pixar. I'm sure the DD 5.1 sound will be just fine.

wordtoyamotha 10-09-03 10:18 AM

For those of us that order a lot of discs via internet, having both versions in one edition is infinitely less troublesome. E-tailers LOVE to ship FS copies to people that ordered WS.

Groucho 10-09-03 10:23 AM


Originally posted by Static Cling
Plus, it's Pixar. I'm sure the DD 5.1 sound will be just fine.
YOUR WRONG DTS IS LIKE LISTENING TO A CLOUD AND ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENTLY IS A *********.

PixyJunket 10-09-03 10:26 AM

I hope nothing is censored! -eek-

WillySi7 10-09-03 10:33 AM

im sure another reason for this is because children may be more apt to watching a fullscreen version ("why the black bars daddy") and so you give an option to both preferences... it was the same for monsters inc. even though i would agree to seperate them to possibly add a 5.1 EX score, i remember monsters having exceptional video and audio quality. hopefully the nemo disc will turn out the same if not better..

Rypro 525 10-09-03 10:35 AM

if its anything like the theaters, this will be one of the most aggressive dvd's ever with side to side panning and surround activity since the fish are constantly swimming around the screen.

Kal-El 10-09-03 10:43 AM

Cuz Pixar's not greedy that way.

Giles 10-09-03 11:11 AM

well, the UK has the common sense to drop the full/widescreen thing and add a DTS track on their Pixar titles (sans Toy Story 1 and 2) ... the full/widescreen option is a waste of space IMO.

Hokeyboy 10-09-03 11:17 AM

This all goe$ to $how how Di$ney i$, once again, trying to $crew the con$umer out of their hard earned dollar$!!!! No other $tudio would ever attempt to even charge a $ingle red cent for their DVD$... but Ei$ner ha$ naked picture$ of all the other $tudio heads and $o they were blackmailed into following $uit!!

DVD$ would have been free if it weren't for DI$NEY!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

And to answer your question, I'm sure the DD 5.1 track will be fine enough.

MEJHarrison 10-09-03 01:00 PM


Originally posted by WillySi7
im sure another reason for this is because children may be more apt to watching a fullscreen version ("why the black bars daddy") and so you give an option to both preferences...
My kids have never, ever questioned the decision to watch widescreen. Ok, the youngest just turned one and doesn't say much beyond DA, but the six year old has never seemed to notice and Lord know he questions everything else under the sun. Do kids really do this? Or do only older kids ask why?

milo bloom 10-09-03 01:00 PM


Originally posted by Giles
well, the UK has the common sense to drop the full/widescreen thing and add a DTS track on their Pixar titles (sans Toy Story 1 and 2) ... the full/widescreen option is a waste of space IMO.
:up: :up: :up:

It's the year 2003, can we get rid of this modifiying films to fit some preconceived notion of the shape of our furniture yet?

Groucho 10-09-03 01:09 PM


Originally posted by Giles
well, the UK has the common sense to drop the full/widescreen thing and add a DTS track on their Pixar titles (sans Toy Story 1 and 2) ... the full/widescreen option is a waste of space IMO.
Bear in mind that the market penetration of widescreen televisions is much higher in the UK.

WillieTheShakes 10-09-03 01:14 PM


Originally posted by WillySi7
im sure another reason for this is because children may be more apt to watching a fullscreen version ("why the black bars daddy") and so you give an option to both preferences...
Not if you bring em up right.
My four year old son will always, always opt for ws when it's an option (Bug's Life and Jimmy Neutron are the first ones to come to mind). I asked him why at one point and he said "Because I get to see more of the picture".

<wiping away tear>

I'm so proud...

DonnachaOne 10-09-03 01:15 PM


Originally posted by WillySi7
im sure another reason for this is because children may be more apt to watching a fullscreen version ("why the black bars daddy") and so you give an option to both preferences...
At this point, you make them watch OAR. Don't raise fools.

PixyJunket 10-09-03 01:25 PM

Wow.. just, wow.

TylerDurden_73 10-09-03 01:44 PM


Originally posted by WillieTheShakes
Not if you bring em up right.
My four year old son will always, always opt for ws when it's an option (Bug's Life and Jimmy Neutron are the first ones to come to mind). I asked him why at one point and he said "Because I get to see more of the picture".

<wiping away tear>

I'm so proud...

You are raising him well...I see harvard or yale in his future.

greatjedi 10-09-03 01:55 PM

I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and they have never ever complained about the black bars. In fact, I've never seen any little kid complain about widescreen. I've never understood why studios think it's so important to release kids movies in full frame. Kids are adaptable, it's the parents who have problems.

davidh777 10-09-03 02:37 PM

I was watching the Kim Possible DVD with my 6-year-old and comparing it to the episode we had taped from Disney Channel. She had a good time spotting all the stuff she could see on the sides that didn't appear on the TV broadcast version.

talemyn 10-09-03 03:42 PM


Originally posted by greatjedi
Kids are adaptable, it's the parents who have problems.
Sooooo true . . .

I have no kids of my own, but I work with a youth group and have movie nights for them from time-to-time. They love widesceen (or maybe they just love it on a 61" TV :) ). My parents, on the other hand, can't stand to watch widescreen.

How I ever came out normal, I'll never know. :D

bboisvert 10-09-03 03:59 PM

http://whacked.net/blog/archives/nemo.jpg

talemyn 10-09-03 04:09 PM


Originally posted by bboisvert
http://whacked.net/blog/archives/nemo.jpg
I love that picture . . . saw it a few weeks ago. rotfl

Jim 10-09-03 04:13 PM


Originally posted by greatjedi
I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and they have never ever complained about the black bars. In fact, I've never seen any little kid complain about widescreen. I've never understood why studios think it's so important to release kids movies in full frame. Kids are adaptable, it's the parents who have problems.
We have a 4 and a 6 year old and it's the exact same way. They never comment one way or the other. It's the grandparents we have to do the splainin' to.

slop101 10-09-03 05:13 PM

Actually Pixar always goes in and adds information on the top & bottom of the image for the fullscreen versions - they did this with Bugs Life, TS2 and Monsters Inc. So Bug's Life full-screen actually has more "picture" than the wide-screen. Natch.

I'm guessing they'll do the same thing here. It's not OAR, but it's a hell of a lot better than pan-n-scan.

milo bloom 10-09-03 05:25 PM


Originally posted by slop101
Actually Pixar always goes in and adds information on the top & bottom of the image for the fullscreen versions - they did this with Bugs Life, TS2 and Monsters Inc. So Bug's Life full-screen actually has more "picture" than the wide-screen. Natch.

I'm guessing they'll do the same thing here. It's not OAR, but it's a hell of a lot better than pan-n-scan.

Did you read that on the internet or did you actually see the featurette on the Bug's Life DVD where they explain it?

Sometimes they add in ground and sky (Oh. Yay.) Sometimes they recomposite the scene and scoot characters closer together, but most times, they admit, that it just gets panned and scanned.
If I could fault Pixar for anything, it's pandering to the lowest common denominator. Though it could be a mandate from the mouse.

PixyJunket 10-09-03 05:57 PM

Wow.. just, wow.

slop101 10-09-03 06:02 PM


Originally posted by milo bloom
Did you read that on the internet or did you actually see the featurette on the Bug's Life DVD where they explain it?

I have all the pixar stuff and I actually watched different scenes back-to-back to compare. And, while the original wide-screen is obviously the superior choice, the full-screen isn't really off by that much.

milo bloom 10-09-03 09:53 PM

I didn't mean to come off too snippy, there's just too many people that hear about that second-hand and think it a mandate from the angels above that Pixar movies are to be watched 1.33. I'm surprised nobody's brought up that ill-begotten James Cameron letter about the fullscreen Abyss...

Dammit 10-09-03 10:22 PM

A friend of ours brought their kid over and the two kids wanted to watch Monsters Inc. I popped it in and went to widescreen and their kid screamed "NO THE OTHER ONE!!!"

I just looked at his mother and shook my head disapprovingly.

Edit: the kid was four by the way.

milo bloom 10-09-03 10:27 PM


Originally posted by Dammit
A friend of ours brought their kid over and the two kids wanted to watch Monsters Inc. I popped it in and went to widescreen and their kid screamed "NO THE OTHER ONE!!!"

I just looked at his mother and shook my head disapprovingly.

Edit: the kid was four by the way.


Maybe he meant Shrek.... ;)

Dammit 10-09-03 10:30 PM

Nope. I tried to get them to watch Shrek first because the three year old had worn me out on Monsters already.

Jon2 10-10-03 11:31 PM

How does a four year old know there's "the other one"? Sheesh, the poor kid's been brainwashed before he even makes it into the educational system .

Oh well, let them enjoy it while they can. WS TV is the future and it's probably going to be here sooner than some of us think. I was just in a Best Buy the other day, and I would swear that WS TVs outnumbered regular TVs by 4 to 1, or better. And, I'm noticing this in other retail establishments as well.

Even in, shock and disbelief, Walmart! Although not by the 4 to 1 margin of Best Buy.

Avid 10-11-03 11:14 PM

Why release them in the same package? So it can be number one on the best selling list, so people can find the version they want, so people don't return it when they find out they have the wrong version...

Personally, I don't like having P&S included.

Breakfast with Girls 10-13-03 05:56 PM


Originally posted by Kal Jedi
Cuz Pixar's not greedy that way.
What? Where does greed enter into it? Do you buy <b>both</b> otherwise?

I found out yesterday my dad only buys full screen given the option. I just sighed and shook my head jokingly.

"Widescreen isn't any better than full screen."
"Yes it is. Most of the time the image is cramped on full screen, or it's panning around."
"Well, at least with full screen I don't have those black bars. (-ohbfrank-) Widescreen is fine for people who have widescreen TVs."
"When you eventually buy one you'll having to rebuy most of your DVDs, or else you'll have black bars on the side."
"I'll never be able to afford a widescreen TV."

Luckily my mom is gung-ho about that kind of stuff. She has a 58" widescreen with a surround setup and in the new house she's building she's wiring the entire house for 5.1 or 7.1 (I can't remember). And she always buys the widescreen version (and is annoyed if it's not anamorphic :lol: ). I taught her well. ;)

Cornelius1047 10-13-03 09:28 PM


Originally posted by Breakfast with Girls
What? Where does greed enter into it? Do you buy <b>both</b> otherwise?

I found out yesterday my dad only buys full screen given the option. I just sighed and shook my head jokingly.

"Widescreen isn't any better than full screen."
"Yes it is. Most of the time the image is cramped on full screen, or it's panning around."
"Well, at least with full screen I don't have those black bars. (-ohbfrank-) Widescreen is fine for people who have widescreen TVs."
"When you eventually buy one you'll having to rebuy most of your DVDs, or else you'll have black bars on the side."
"I'll never be able to afford a widescreen TV."

Clearly, there's only one option. You have to put him in a home. It's the only answer.

K


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