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Language difficulty, I bought a legal Disc off of Amazon Germany, but no english!

 
Old 05-13-03, 12:50 AM
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Language difficulty, I bought a legal Disc off of Amazon Germany, but no english!

I wanted a "Raise The Titanic" DVD so bad I searched the world for a legal release not like bootlegs on e-bay. Trouble is it doesn't have *any* subtitles it is all in the german Language, good old amazon didn't tell me that.


Is there any way to give Mr. Clive Cussler who wrote the book a royalty and get it made to DVD, there is no other legal discs in the world just SLP Vhs titles. There are many organizations on Raise the Titanic but it seems their hands are tied, I don't happen to have Mr. Cusslers E-mail Address to offer a sum of money to get a legal DVD.


Moderators are welcome to help overcome this problem which I can not. I can't at age 56 learn german to understand what is being said.


BTW The German company that made the deal with Mr. Cussler must have asked for german language only, hence the title "Hebt De Titanic" in co-operation with ITC, all rights reseved.


I am positive that I am one of the only owners in the world to own a legal DVD of Raise The Titanic DVD WS DD2.0 Monaural
Region 2 DVD-License from ITC by Mawa Films and Median, Pottsdam, Germany.
It has a chapter section, but no bloody english. I can pick a word and some are in english like Dirk Pitt HELP? Can I get a language transcription or a seperate audio track to sync with, I can't go to an illegal bootleg.


It has a wonderful John Barry musical score which I have in Dolby Surround from silva screen record of NY, NY., must this movie be a silent and listen to where the music would be played and use my memory or my legal VHS tape to hear the words. If any one can help me I sure would appreciate it.


P.S. Came in a keep case with full cover art of ship half out of the water, lights ablaise against a blue white background of a iceburg at night. The DVD print is beautiful on my line doubled HDTV, from my JVSC XVS500BK Region free player.
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Well, I suggest either learning German, or selling it and picking up a bootleg. Otherwise you have a very nice disk in a language you don't understand.
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dont know your marital status but.....could always find a cute little fraulein to teach you the way....

good luck with this.

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Old 05-13-03, 01:16 AM
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I absolutely agree with the post above.....the Germans are notorious for "dubbing" English movies as well. I am not familiar enough with what the ratio is but they tend to put their own titles in German (as we do quite often as well).

On a side note, Amazon.de.....is the worst etailer from all Amazons!! Period. I have given up buying German films because of them!!
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Research, research, research.

Before buying a disc compare to see if it's the best. Just ask the lads in International Forum. We'll either know or direct you to a site that does.
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Re: Language difficulty, I bought a legal Disc off of Amazon Germany, but no english!

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BTW The German company that made the deal with Mr. Cussler must have asked for german language only
More likely they only got the rights for a german only release, and the owner of the original rights didn't allow them to include the english track.
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Old 05-13-03, 11:03 AM
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I feel your pain. I got the German disc of Sylvester Stallone’s porn movie and was pissed to find out it’s Germany track only!! Not only that, but in some parts when the woman says something it’s a man’s voice and when the man says something it’s a woman’s voice!!!

As for your problem, there are plenty of times the studios will either not release something (example: Song of the South) or release it in censored form (example: Tom and Jerry cartoons). In cases like this, you have to bow down and thank all that is holy for bootleggers!!
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Looks like I am going to have to be happy with having the disk and listening to the sound track in dolby surround it's on a Silva Screen CD like I have for TDTESStill. Is there any sound script for the movie, I could read while jerking my neck in between the film and the notes?
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Two weeks ago I watched my Scandinavian release of Raise the Titanic (called "Lyft Titanic"), non-anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1, mono, in english without forced subtitles. It's a legitimate release, although I did buy it from a Swedish dealer on ebay. Before completing the auction I did search for etailers carrying the disc, but didn't find it.

Cussler won't help, he hates the movie.
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I have 2 Raise the Titanic Vhs one a pre-cord the other a back up from beta in Dolby Surround, my player was nearly broke when I dubbed it from the Beta to a vhs hi-fi vcr. I sold all my legal beta tapes, the rest went to my brother in law. Yeah I seen that Cussler said all Region 1 were bootlegs and that he sent a e-mail to ebay about them being boots who did not return his e-mail. I guess fleabay although making a statement about boots don't give a shite.

How hard would it be to make a DVD backup but change the language to english, do I need the formula of the Transparent aluminum from Star Trek 4 in exchange. LOL
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My pre-recorded Beta copy isn't even in HiFi, so it's not in stereo. The two laserdisc versions I have are mono.

The Swedish DVD isn't an R1 bootleg, it's legit (from Carlton) and I believe it's region 2 PAL. I've actually never seen an R1 DVD, bootleg or not.
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Let's be honest...being region free has a lot of advantages but don't forget that german DVD's are produced for a german market, french DVD's for a french market so why should they feel they need to have english subtitles when english isn't the first language in those countries?
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......for the same reason Spanish and French (even in Canada) are not the primary languages as well- MARKET SHARE=$$$$$$....but are included on R1 DVD's.

(Regardless of the fact that neither France nor Germany are set up as Canada is). Or you are telling me that French companies, or German companies wont be interested in selling more oftheir products????

There is either a lack of vision (Germany?) or simply pure ignorance (France?)....adding subs does not add up so much to the overall value of the disc(esp. considering the fact that many French dvd's have very, very pricey package-work).

I am not trying to tell these countries how to run their dvd market, I am only suggesting that adding English subs opens a whole new market bracket. Look at the Korean market for example......they dont have to include English subs either but they DO....and generate some serious profits I would assume.
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Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
I am not trying to tell these countries how to run their dvd market, I am only suggesting that adding English subs opens a whole new market bracket. Look at the Korean market for example......they dont have to include English subs either but they DO....and generate some serious profits I would assume.
Yes..i agree with you almost entirely! i was just highlighting (rightly or wrongly) the way that the marketing forces must work in these countries...the unfortunate thing is doesn't region coding exist to prevent the opening up of 'whole new market brackets'?
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I am not sure that there is much logic behind such a statement --as you could probably figure out both France and England for example are in the same region-R2. They both offer releases that could be bought online (and are available in both countries). For example look at Vincent Cassel/Monica Bellucci's L'Appartement:

It is available in England and France however the French disc simply blows out the British version as it has a superb video quality and a DTS track as opposed to the British disc which boasts only 2.0 audio mix. Europe in fact is the most competitive market as they have access to R1 releases and compete between themselves (inside the R2 market) as they have multiple releases in the same region (from Finland to Spain). So, I would assume that by including a optional language/sub track the company producing the DVD will actually have a better market position....of course given the fact that their product is better than what is already offered in another country member of the R2.

Furthermore, if you live in any of these European countries you dont need to own an additional region free player to view a release of the same movie available in a number of other countries members of the R2.

Now, if I am the CEO of one of these film companies I would make sure that I include at least 4 major sub options= English, French and/or German/Italian, and Spanish. This way I will ensure that my product will be demanded on a much different level as other markets/countries from THE SAME REGION WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

Makes perfect sense to me....BUT NOT TO THE FRENCH(with the most prolific film library in Europe)....or for that matter the Germans.

(The Italian market I wont even discuss as they are in a state of free falling....as one member of the forum, who is from Italy has confirmed,..... it is virtually non-existent)...

Again, these are only my thoughts....and they dont mean anything at all!!

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By the way, YOU LIVE IN EUROPE so you know 100 times better than me what I am talking about. I am sure you have a much more significant experience as far as the above issue goes than me.

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Does anyone sell the words used by each actor during the film, some of the words are english like Dirk Pitt the rest are either simular or not able to understand.


The movie is a anamorphic 1.85:1 with DD2.0 Monaural, it has chapter titles and a lot of the cover art box is in english.
That scandavian disc is that a PAL disc, my player has x, y, scaling, but only on PAL discs not Region 1 like the fans too hot Malata.


All 2.35:1 PAL LBX can be scaled to be a anamorphic without zooming, or loosing any detail for R2 UK or R4 AU. I have not tried any other region, my player is good for R1-6 using the JVC XVX500BK with ICOS
and hard wired progressive scan mod.
(Intelligent Code Operating System).


I don't know what *mod* DVD talk sponsor has in their JVC XVS500BK region free.
I have owned my american done mod player for almost 2 years now, with no complaints as it is manualy switched!
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How about this?

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Old 05-14-03, 07:29 AM
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From the Original post:

wanted a "Raise The Titanic" DVD so bad I searched the world for a legal release not like bootlegs on e-bay. Trouble is it doesn't have *any* subtitles it is all in the german Language, good old amazon didn't tell me that
Amazon De clearly state

Infos zu diesem Titel
Sprache: Deutsch
• Bildformat: 1.66:1
• DVD Erscheinungstermin: 1. August 2001
• Produktion: 1980
• ASIN: B00005NT56
and no subtitles are listed. What's the problem? No research before your purchase?

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Old 05-14-03, 07:35 AM
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Now, if I am the CEO of one of these film companies I would make sure that I include at least 4 major sub options= English, French and/or German/Italian, and Spanish. This way I will ensure that my product will be demanded on a much different level as other markets/countries from THE SAME REGION WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
Not if your licencing forbids an English language/English subtitles version being released, because some other company has the UK rights.

And yes, Americans can be to blame for this, even if the film was orginally made by the French or Germans. Blame Miramax and the global English language releases of European films.

As for Raise the Titanic, does Fox release this in all territories? Again, due to strange "Business Logic" different international divisions on the same company are in competition with themselves, and as such "licence" their material from the US parent.

Some releases have the same sort of conditions of licencing as if they were being licenced to other companies. After all each country's division has to make enough money to justify it's existance. I suspect this is because on the whole Mainland European discs are cheaper than UK discs - Fox UK obviously don't want Fox Germany discs being imported.

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