LOTR: The Two Towers Extended Edition details!! (merged)
04-23-03, 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by DVD Smurf
Thanks for the info, I am excited and I will be getting this, but who cares what I want.
Thanks for the info, I am excited and I will be getting this, but who cares what I want.
I'll definitely be getting both. If there's a gift set, I'll buy that to get the EE. Call me crazy, but I really love these films and the DVD's.
04-23-03, 04:23 PM
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Dude, the gift set must include the Two Towers - screw obvious - wouldn't they be perfect?
04-23-03, 06:11 PM
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I'm glad to hear we're getting an extended edition again (as if there was any doubt ), but how is this "details?" I expected to read about how many commentaries there will be and who is doing them, what extras we're getting, how many discs it will be, audio tracks, etc. We don't even have a more-or-less complete rundown of the additional scenes. IMHO, details are not available yet.
), but how is this "details?" I expected to read about how many commentaries there will be and who is doing them, what extras we're getting, how many discs it will be, audio tracks, etc. We don't even have a more-or-less complete rundown of the additional scenes. IMHO, details are not available yet.
04-23-03, 06:49 PM
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There aren't any details about the EE yet because they have only just begun working on it.
Remember, they're still making a feature film, making the two disc version of the theatrical cut (which looks pretty feature-laden itself) and then shooting/editing 5-6 hours (if the FOTR EE is an indicator) of original documentary footage and making-of material.
That's a LOT of work, even if different teams are working on the many aspects of these films' production.
It's enough to annoy me that Lucas hasn't put out the original Star Wars Trilogy in deluxe special editions yet. I mean, wasn't his excuse that he was too busy making the new movies? And Lucas has THREE YEARS between features - is Peter Jackson and his crew three times more talented than Lucas and ILM?
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Remember, they're still making a feature film, making the two disc version of the theatrical cut (which looks pretty feature-laden itself) and then shooting/editing 5-6 hours (if the FOTR EE is an indicator) of original documentary footage and making-of material.
That's a LOT of work, even if different teams are working on the many aspects of these films' production.
It's enough to annoy me that Lucas hasn't put out the original Star Wars Trilogy in deluxe special editions yet. I mean, wasn't his excuse that he was too busy making the new movies? And Lucas has THREE YEARS between features - is Peter Jackson and his crew three times more talented than Lucas and ILM?
Don't answer that.
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04-23-03, 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by jough
In good movies the characters have lives and experiences BEFORE the start of the film - in bad ones they just kinda materialize before you, perform whatever actions the plot requires, and cease to exist once the credits begin to roll.
In good movies the characters have lives and experiences BEFORE the start of the film - in bad ones they just kinda materialize before you, perform whatever actions the plot requires, and cease to exist once the credits begin to roll.
04-23-03, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Giles
When compared to the book, P. Jackson shuffled the entire book around. Notably, the battle at Helm's Deep happened a quarter of the way into the book, not at the end. More than the last quarter of the book is the Frodo/Sam/Gollum storyline which is broken up within the movie.
When compared to the book, P. Jackson shuffled the entire book around. Notably, the battle at Helm's Deep happened a quarter of the way into the book, not at the end. More than the last quarter of the book is the Frodo/Sam/Gollum storyline which is broken up within the movie.
04-23-03, 07:14 PM
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Maybe this could be done with DVD chapters/programming if the chapters are sufficiently broken up.
04-23-03, 07:32 PM
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I heard the gift set would include Gollum bookends. One has the left half of his head in innocent mode, or right side in murderous mode. I'm getting this baby as long as Gimli's elbow and cabbage sandwich line is put back in.
04-23-03, 08:09 PM
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Just read today that the first "rough cut" of ROTK is just over six hours long.
Provided they reign that in to five hours or so, that'll still never play theatrically - so even if they release a four-hour ROTK (with an intermission, hopefully) there could still be an hour or more of footage that is good but isn't *necessary* for the theatrical release.
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Provided they reign that in to five hours or so, that'll still never play theatrically - so even if they release a four-hour ROTK (with an intermission, hopefully) there could still be an hour or more of footage that is good but isn't *necessary* for the theatrical release.
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looks like it actually is red (yay) and has 4 discs (for now).
04-24-03, 06:04 AM
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Oh red, pretty. Can't wait for the preorder madness to begin.
04-24-03, 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by trigun
I heard the gift set would include Gollum bookends. One has the left half of his head in innocent mode, or right side in murderous mode. I'm getting this baby as long as Gimli's elbow and cabbage sandwich line is put back in.
I heard the gift set would include Gollum bookends. One has the left half of his head in innocent mode, or right side in murderous mode. I'm getting this baby as long as Gimli's elbow and cabbage sandwich line is put back in.
04-24-03, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by jough
Just read today that the first "rough cut" of ROTK is just over six hours long.
Provided they reign that in to five hours or so, that'll still never play theatrically - so even if they release a four-hour ROTK (with an intermission, hopefully) there could still be an hour or more of footage that is good but isn't *necessary* for the theatrical release.
-- Jough
Just read today that the first "rough cut" of ROTK is just over six hours long.
Provided they reign that in to five hours or so, that'll still never play theatrically - so even if they release a four-hour ROTK (with an intermission, hopefully) there could still be an hour or more of footage that is good but isn't *necessary* for the theatrical release.
-- Jough
In regards to "Fellowship" what was the original rough cut's clocking in at. Are there additional scenes that weren't included in the extended edition? Is there the rumour that Jackson will revisit all the movies after ROTK is released and do a deluxe edition of the Trilogy with even more footage?
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04-24-03, 12:04 PM
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If I recall, that's almost the exact same length as the rough cut of "Dune" - and that movie was almost completely unintelligible to those who hadn't read the books. Not that I think we'll have the same problem here.
[edit: I was corrected - Dune started out as 4 hours]
It's hard for me to imagine a general audience sitting in the theater for more than 3.5 hours. I'd stay for all six, myself. But I will settle for getting 5 hours on the EE DVD.
[edit: I was corrected - Dune started out as 4 hours]
It's hard for me to imagine a general audience sitting in the theater for more than 3.5 hours. I'd stay for all six, myself. But I will settle for getting 5 hours on the EE DVD.
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04-24-03, 01:03 PM
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If I recall, that's almost the exact same length as the rough cut of "Dune" - and that movie was almost completely unintelligible to those who hadn't read the books. Not that I think we'll have the same problem here.
If I recall, that's almost the exact same length as the rough cut of "Dune" - and that movie was almost completely unintelligible to those who hadn't read the books. Not that I think we'll have the same problem here.
04-24-03, 04:14 PM
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The rough cut is just that - ROUGH. I don't know how many of you out there have ever edited film (or texts, for that matter) but it's MUCH easier to start with something bloated and then trim it down to size than it is to start out too short and have to add things back in.
That said, a six hour first cut of a film that's likely to be 3.5-4 hours long isn't really bad. Often rough cuts for movies will be twice as long as the finished feature. You cut ten seconds here, a short unnecessary scene there, you move this scene around and cut out a little more - this thing'll be down to a cool 103 minutes in no time.
That said, a six hour first cut of a film that's likely to be 3.5-4 hours long isn't really bad. Often rough cuts for movies will be twice as long as the finished feature. You cut ten seconds here, a short unnecessary scene there, you move this scene around and cut out a little more - this thing'll be down to a cool 103 minutes in no time.
05-01-03, 11:26 PM
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It could change between now and the release. Figure it'll be at least a half an hour, and less than 45 minutes.
That's fine by me!
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That's fine by me!
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06-22-03, 10:05 PM
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DVDfile has the official specs up
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/dvd-...003/06_22.html
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/dvd-...003/06_22.html
Leading off this week's news are more details on what is sure to be one of the biggest DVD releases of the year, if not the biggest, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Extended Edition. Replicating the same release pattern as The Fellowship of the Ring last year (if it ain't broke, don't fix it), New Line Home Entertainment will release the theatrical cut as a two-disc set in August, followed by this four-disc behemoth on November 18th.
In addition to a newly-expanded cut of the film featuring over 40 minutes of new material, the extras are vast. The feature is spread over the first two discs, with four audio commentaries by director Peter Jackson and the writers, the second with the design team, the third with the production team and the four with the cast. The feature is presented in 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen with Dolby Digital Surround EX and DTS 6.1 ES Discrete soundtracks.
Disc three features The Appendices: Adapting the book into a screenplay and planning the film, the design and inspiration for locations in Middle-earth storyboards to pre-visualization, a Weta Workshop visit to see the sculptors in action as they create the weapons, armor, creatures and miniatures from the film, an "Atlas of Middle-Earth," an additional interactive map of New Zealand highlighting the location scouting process, multiple featurettes including "Sending Actors to Battle" (preparation for sword fighting), "Post-Production" (editing it all together) and "Principal Photography" (stories from the set), a look at the digital effects including motion capture and "Massive" (a program to create armies of Orcs), additional "Bigatures" (a close-up look at the detailed miniatures used in the film), a sound design demonstration, still galleries of art and slideshows with commentaries by the artists plus additional behind-the-scenes photographs and personal cast photos. Also included are extensive ROM extras to be announced. Retail is $39.95.
Last but not least, New Line will also release a special Gift Set of the Extended Edition, which also streets on November 18th. Expect the same great extras above plus a Collectible Gollum polystone statue created by Sideshow Weta, "The Evolution of Gollum" exclusive documentary on the Weta Workshop and how the Gollum statue was created, a printed companion piece showing how Gollum evolved from pencil sketch to sculpted maquette to digital character, and collectible packaging. Retail is $69.95
In addition to a newly-expanded cut of the film featuring over 40 minutes of new material, the extras are vast. The feature is spread over the first two discs, with four audio commentaries by director Peter Jackson and the writers, the second with the design team, the third with the production team and the four with the cast. The feature is presented in 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen with Dolby Digital Surround EX and DTS 6.1 ES Discrete soundtracks.
Disc three features The Appendices: Adapting the book into a screenplay and planning the film, the design and inspiration for locations in Middle-earth storyboards to pre-visualization, a Weta Workshop visit to see the sculptors in action as they create the weapons, armor, creatures and miniatures from the film, an "Atlas of Middle-Earth," an additional interactive map of New Zealand highlighting the location scouting process, multiple featurettes including "Sending Actors to Battle" (preparation for sword fighting), "Post-Production" (editing it all together) and "Principal Photography" (stories from the set), a look at the digital effects including motion capture and "Massive" (a program to create armies of Orcs), additional "Bigatures" (a close-up look at the detailed miniatures used in the film), a sound design demonstration, still galleries of art and slideshows with commentaries by the artists plus additional behind-the-scenes photographs and personal cast photos. Also included are extensive ROM extras to be announced. Retail is $39.95.
Last but not least, New Line will also release a special Gift Set of the Extended Edition, which also streets on November 18th. Expect the same great extras above plus a Collectible Gollum polystone statue created by Sideshow Weta, "The Evolution of Gollum" exclusive documentary on the Weta Workshop and how the Gollum statue was created, a printed companion piece showing how Gollum evolved from pencil sketch to sculpted maquette to digital character, and collectible packaging. Retail is $69.95
06-23-03, 11:18 AM
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So, in the Gift Set, there's basically going to be a feature on the making of the Gollum statue and something written about his evolution to a digital character.
Won't there be any DVD feature on Gollum and Andy Serkis? I'd love to see how all of that came together. They showed footage of Serkis acting out Gollum's parts in clips at either the Golden Globes or the Oscars (can't remember). Seems like it should be an essential part of the DVD.
Won't there be any DVD feature on Gollum and Andy Serkis? I'd love to see how all of that came together. They showed footage of Serkis acting out Gollum's parts in clips at either the Golden Globes or the Oscars (can't remember). Seems like it should be an essential part of the DVD.