Review Wanted: Peeping Tom
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I have heard so much and read here before about it. I am about to order it, but I am hesitant. PLease help me get some advise, since I can not rent it anywhere close. Thanks in advance.
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...have been a Powell & Pressburger fan since my early teens... Peeping Tom ( http://www.thebigpicturedvd.com/cgi-...gi/Peeping_Tom ) was a definite 'must-have' for my movie collection - which also includes
-on PAL VHS- The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp
-on LD- The 49th Parallel, Tales Of Hoffmann (both Criterion)
-on Region 2 DVD- A Canterbury Tale, A Matter Of Life And Death (US title: "Stairway To Heaven"), Black Narcissus (soon to be 'replaced' by the Criterion DVD) and The Battle Of The River Plate
-on R1 DVD (so far)- The Red Shoes and PT(both Criterion)
...so there you have it... from your frequent requests on this site I gather that you're slowly working your way through the Criterion Collection - you could do worse!...
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[Edited by Hendrik on 02-21-01 at 03:22 PM]
-on PAL VHS- The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp
-on LD- The 49th Parallel, Tales Of Hoffmann (both Criterion)
-on Region 2 DVD- A Canterbury Tale, A Matter Of Life And Death (US title: "Stairway To Heaven"), Black Narcissus (soon to be 'replaced' by the Criterion DVD) and The Battle Of The River Plate
-on R1 DVD (so far)- The Red Shoes and PT(both Criterion)
...so there you have it... from your frequent requests on this site I gather that you're slowly working your way through the Criterion Collection - you could do worse!...
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[Edited by Hendrik on 02-21-01 at 03:22 PM]
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Well it says "A Very British Psycho" on the packaging of Peeping Tom so being a big Hitchcock fan I gave it a try. Sad to say, this movie was lame and boring.
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I love Peeping Tom and have watched it several times since getting the DVD. It is one of the only movies to ever change the way I think of films, and it opened my eyes to the endless possibilities of filmmaking (a feat shared by Vertigo and Taxi Driver).
Peeping Tom isn't for everyone. It was plotted, filmed, and acted (especially by lead Karl Boehm, who is utterly captivating) very deliberately. Many viewers have found it uneasy to watch because, in an even greater way than Rear Window, it makes the audience aware of their voyeurism and all of its psychological implications. It engrossed me on every level--the writing, the direction, the acting, the cinematography, even the production design--and Martin Scorsese has my eternal gratitude for (among other things) reviving interest in both the film and director Michael Powell's career.
The documentary "A Very British Psycho" is wonderful, and gives great insight into the origins of the story and the interesting history of screenwriter Leo Marks. I also listened to the commentary (by a film historian), and while it covered many of the historical anecdotes discussed in the documentary, I was pleased with it. Given the price tag, I would advise only hardcore cineastes to purchase sight-unseen, but if you're Criterion collecting, Peeping Tom will make a wonderful addition to your library.
The best review of the film itself that I have read was written by Roger Ebert for his "Greatest Films" series. It is located here:
http://www.sun-times.com/ebert/great...eepingtom.html
And contains some spoilers.
--Heather
[Edited by DVDer on 02-21-01 at 04:55 PM]
Peeping Tom isn't for everyone. It was plotted, filmed, and acted (especially by lead Karl Boehm, who is utterly captivating) very deliberately. Many viewers have found it uneasy to watch because, in an even greater way than Rear Window, it makes the audience aware of their voyeurism and all of its psychological implications. It engrossed me on every level--the writing, the direction, the acting, the cinematography, even the production design--and Martin Scorsese has my eternal gratitude for (among other things) reviving interest in both the film and director Michael Powell's career.
The documentary "A Very British Psycho" is wonderful, and gives great insight into the origins of the story and the interesting history of screenwriter Leo Marks. I also listened to the commentary (by a film historian), and while it covered many of the historical anecdotes discussed in the documentary, I was pleased with it. Given the price tag, I would advise only hardcore cineastes to purchase sight-unseen, but if you're Criterion collecting, Peeping Tom will make a wonderful addition to your library.
The best review of the film itself that I have read was written by Roger Ebert for his "Greatest Films" series. It is located here:
http://www.sun-times.com/ebert/great...eepingtom.html
And contains some spoilers.
--Heather
[Edited by DVDer on 02-21-01 at 04:55 PM]
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Originally posted by DVD Smurf
I have heard so much and read here before about it. I am about to order it, but I am hesitant. PLease help me get some advise, since I can not rent it anywhere close. Thanks in advance.
I have heard so much and read here before about it. I am about to order it, but I am hesitant. PLease help me get some advise, since I can not rent it anywhere close. Thanks in advance.
I, too, had heard and read a lot about it, but was still hesitant to buy it without seeing it first. I finally broke down and ordered it a few weeks ago. I was a bit concerned that all the great things that I heard about the film would lead me to expect too much and leave me feeling disappointed in the end. I need not have worried. This is a superb film that works on so many levels. DVDer has pretty much covered everything. All I can add is that this is the only DVD that I've watched 3 times in one weekend. (My first viewing, a viewing with the commentary, and then another viewing without the commentary). Also, "A Very British Psycho", is the best supplementary documentary I've seen. It's nearly as fascinating as the film itself. I give this disc my highest possible recommendation.
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this is a great great film not to mention
the always gorgeous cinematography found in a Powell Pressburger film, though this was shot by Otto Heller, instead of Jack Cardiff.
I've also heard that Thief of Bagdhad is going to be released soon, another gorgeous Powell film.
cheers, Tony Block
I've also heard that Thief of Bagdhad is going to be released soon, another gorgeous Powell film.
cheers, Tony Block
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Originally posted by Hendrik
...that's your loss, really...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...26/DD91574.DTL
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...that's your loss, really...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...26/DD91574.DTL
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Well, I ordered it yesterday, so I think I should have it by Saturday or so. And if there is any objections go ahead and scream.
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Originally posted by DVD Smurf
Well, I ordered it yesterday, so I think I should have it by Saturday or so. And if there is any objections go ahead and scream.
Well, I ordered it yesterday, so I think I should have it by Saturday or so. And if there is any objections go ahead and scream.
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Originally posted by Gamblor187
I'm pretty sure that us "Peeping Tom" fans will be vocal enough to drown out any objections. Plesae let us know what you think of the movie when you get a chance to watch it. (I would recommend that you watch the film before the documentary or looking at the photo gallery, as both contain spoilers.)
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Well, I ordered it yesterday, so I think I should have it by Saturday or so. And if there is any objections go ahead and scream.
Well, I ordered it yesterday, so I think I should have it by Saturday or so. And if there is any objections go ahead and scream.
jim
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Originally posted by DVDer
Peeping Tom isn't for everyone. It was plotted, filmed, and acted (especially by lead Karl Boehm, who is utterly captivating) very deliberately. Many viewers have found it uneasy to watch because, in an even greater way than Rear Window, it makes the audience aware of their voyeurism and all of its psychological implications.
Peeping Tom isn't for everyone. It was plotted, filmed, and acted (especially by lead Karl Boehm, who is utterly captivating) very deliberately. Many viewers have found it uneasy to watch because, in an even greater way than Rear Window, it makes the audience aware of their voyeurism and all of its psychological implications.
[Edited by cineman on 02-23-01 at 05:44 AM]
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The Criterion Black Narcissus is available now in a wonderful transfer with commentary from Powell and Martin Scorsese(!,although he is a bit more laid back than I expected) and other extras. I'm happy to have peeping tom in my collection just for the historical significance. The film has not dated well but is fascinating nonetheless. The Red Shoes also is a classic film beautifully presented on dvd.
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DVDer:
Could you give a couple examples of people who have found Peeping Tom uneasy because it made them aware of their voyeurism and all its psychological implications?
Many viewers have found it uneasy to watch because, in an even greater way than Rear Window, it makes the audience aware of their voyeurism and all of its psychological implications.
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Blip:
You're back?! I'm surprised. The first post I've read of yours since your return, and it already seems like old times.
To answer your question, I was referring to the many critics (and few movie-goers who saw the film during its very brief stint at theaters) who were outspoken in their disgust for what they called a vile waste of celluloid. Of course, I replied in a very general manner, but rather than pontificate I'd like to state my disappointment that you went for the easy question instead of posting your own thoughts about Peeping Tom. Tsk, tsk.
--Heather
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You're back?! I'm surprised. The first post I've read of yours since your return, and it already seems like old times.
To answer your question, I was referring to the many critics (and few movie-goers who saw the film during its very brief stint at theaters) who were outspoken in their disgust for what they called a vile waste of celluloid. Of course, I replied in a very general manner, but rather than pontificate I'd like to state my disappointment that you went for the easy question instead of posting your own thoughts about Peeping Tom. Tsk, tsk.
--Heather
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DVDer:
You have done an admirable job of passing the buck.
I am only wondering if the “voyeuristic” aspect of movie watching hasn’t been overstated. Certainly, if the most a person can get out of a film is a broad statement about the art form, you might as well just tell them “viewing movies is voyeuristic” and save her the two hours.
As for my opinion of the film, I’m sorry to say it never changed the way I see films—at least anymore than any other above average film has. (I tend to think all previously viewed films have an affect on how you view new films, but I understand the gist of your statement.) Personally, I believe it’s a good, not great, film. It comes across as too deliberate sometimes. Powell’s ideas in the film don’t seem fully digested. They come before the art, not as a possible understanding of it. As such, it sometimes lacks the ambiguity of the great Hitchcock films. It’s too preconceived, designed as much to be written about as it is to be watched.
With that said, I would recommend the film. Moira Shearer’s pre-death dance routine is especially lively. It also validly questions the role psychoanalysis has had in creating deviancy in its attempt to understand it. I’m certain there are other high points, but I haven’t viewed the film recently enough to give a proper analysis.
Also, I have another question. I personally believe Hannibal is a vile waste of celluloid, who’s primary purpose is to excuse and support the audience’s desire to cheer for a serial killer. Does this mean that it too will be seen as a classic in 30 years? Or must it also contain the same explicit self-conscious knowledge of its manipulation as found in Peeping Tom, allowing critics to excuse and support the actions of a serial killer so that they can believe that the general audience is finally coming to terms with its uncomfortable voyeuristic nature?
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You have done an admirable job of passing the buck.
I am only wondering if the “voyeuristic” aspect of movie watching hasn’t been overstated. Certainly, if the most a person can get out of a film is a broad statement about the art form, you might as well just tell them “viewing movies is voyeuristic” and save her the two hours.
As for my opinion of the film, I’m sorry to say it never changed the way I see films—at least anymore than any other above average film has. (I tend to think all previously viewed films have an affect on how you view new films, but I understand the gist of your statement.) Personally, I believe it’s a good, not great, film. It comes across as too deliberate sometimes. Powell’s ideas in the film don’t seem fully digested. They come before the art, not as a possible understanding of it. As such, it sometimes lacks the ambiguity of the great Hitchcock films. It’s too preconceived, designed as much to be written about as it is to be watched.
With that said, I would recommend the film. Moira Shearer’s pre-death dance routine is especially lively. It also validly questions the role psychoanalysis has had in creating deviancy in its attempt to understand it. I’m certain there are other high points, but I haven’t viewed the film recently enough to give a proper analysis.
Also, I have another question. I personally believe Hannibal is a vile waste of celluloid, who’s primary purpose is to excuse and support the audience’s desire to cheer for a serial killer. Does this mean that it too will be seen as a classic in 30 years? Or must it also contain the same explicit self-conscious knowledge of its manipulation as found in Peeping Tom, allowing critics to excuse and support the actions of a serial killer so that they can believe that the general audience is finally coming to terms with its uncomfortable voyeuristic nature?
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...ahhh... a restored version of Johnny Guitar has been available on French, Region 2, PAL, DVD since mid 1999... they don't make'em like that any more (that goes for the film, of course, and for Joan Crawford, too!)
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/fiche.php3?id=791
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Originally posted by DVDer
I feared for a time that I was the only forum member who has seen "Johnny Guitar."
I feared for a time that I was the only forum member who has seen "Johnny Guitar."
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Blip:
I haven't seen Hannibal, so I don't know if it will be seen as a classic in thirty years. I suspect it won't be, but I'm sure if I thought hard enough about it, I could think of other recent vile wastes of celluloid that will be considered classics years from now.
Tony Block:
I think the use of reds is similar, but I also think that in both Johnny Guitar and Rebel Without a Cause the colors are more bright and not quite as richly textured as Powell's signature look. Ray's films, while beautifully shot, rarely struck me as having the same degree of gloss that a Powell film had. (Of course, a R1 DVD release of Johnny Guitar might clean up the look--I have only seen the movie on television and VHS.)
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Also, I have another question. I personally believe Hannibal is a vile waste of celluloid, who’s primary purpose is to excuse and support the audience’s desire to cheer for a serial killer. Does this mean that it too will be seen as a classic in 30 years? Or must it also contain the same explicit self-conscious knowledge of its manipulation as found in Peeping Tom, allowing critics to excuse and support the actions of a serial killer so that they can believe that the general audience is finally coming to terms with its uncomfortable voyeuristic nature?
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Heather, it's funny that you mentioned Johnny Guitar, because I think Nick Ray's use of color in that film, and in Rebel Without a Cause, is very Powellesque.
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Thank you all, this movie was absolutly worth getting, and it had a very "bizarre" end. Thanks again.
I wonder how one would try to compare Powell with Hitchcock, they are to different geniuses with to different way of making film. Hitchcock used storyboarding while, Powell used classic editing, which means that they gave the audience different results. Also, I like to emphasize that one should see different films as different entities, since they are different creations by different individuals in different times, and spaces. These three factors (time, space, individuality) are some factors that make things different, and how can one see things different if one constantly tries to compare one person with another? I do not know, but please try to value each creation as different, after all, I do not think either Powell, or Hitchcock tried to imitate each other, or someone else. I firmly believe that they believed in their own abilities and that they only tried to be themselves. .
[Edited by DVD Smurf on 03-06-01 at 03:08 PM]
I wonder how one would try to compare Powell with Hitchcock, they are to different geniuses with to different way of making film. Hitchcock used storyboarding while, Powell used classic editing, which means that they gave the audience different results. Also, I like to emphasize that one should see different films as different entities, since they are different creations by different individuals in different times, and spaces. These three factors (time, space, individuality) are some factors that make things different, and how can one see things different if one constantly tries to compare one person with another? I do not know, but please try to value each creation as different, after all, I do not think either Powell, or Hitchcock tried to imitate each other, or someone else. I firmly believe that they believed in their own abilities and that they only tried to be themselves. .
[Edited by DVD Smurf on 03-06-01 at 03:08 PM]
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By chance, I came across a review of Peeping Tom that I like a bit better than Ebert’s. You will need to scroll down a bit to see it. (There’s a review of a Neil Jordan film on top of it.):
http://www.nypress.com/content.cfm?content_id=1362
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Here is an interesting essay investigating the disparate legacies of Psycho and Peeping Tom, and the respective probable causes.
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jrthomps/paper.htm
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jrthomps/paper.htm