lotsofdvds

My point was simply, what's better? Your issue then wouldn't be with this film, but with the genre itself.

As a reviewer, I've always judged movies against similar titles in the same genre. I liked the film itself, and it's leaps and bounds better than other films in the same class. It's also superior to anything else the director has made. Bonus points. I give it credit for entertaining me, and extra credit for being better than everything else.

This thread is getting too serious. We were talking about the deleted ass raping. Sorry to get off topic with discussions of merit.

Giles

(Butters - he's a stitch).

Filmmaker

Wrong on a couple of accounts; one, I do value the genre (my affection for the ALIEN franchise is evidence enough of that). Two, the films you mentioned are rarely championed whereas this one often is by a vocal minority, which is why I feel the need to counter those accolades which its similarly useless peers never receive.

eXcentris

You said:

It doesn't pass the quality test because it's not as good as the other films you listed? A comparison which 99.9% of films would fail? You're using exactly the same type of non-sensical argument as the one you don't seem to be able to follow...

Event Horizon is far from a masterpiece but, despite it's flaws, it's a hell of a lot better than most films in the genre.

lotsofdvds

Would you say that Alien: Resurrection or Alien Vs. Predator is better than Event Horizon?

Josh H

Films are 100% subjective, no reason to really question others reviews or rankings of movies, especially not to be elitist about it.

DonnachaOne

You admit that this is not exactly resounding praise?

lotsofdvds

Can't movies just be "good"? Why does everything have to either be supremely outstanding or spectacularly bad?

Event Horizon is good. Not great, not horrible. Good. Although now a little less so since it's minus a nano-second of assraping.

Pointyskull

I'm in complete agreement.

Mr. Cinema

Love this film. I remember seeing this opening night in the theater and being completely freaked out. Last time I watched it was a few years ago on VHS. Just picked up the 2-discer and I must say it still holds up well. Those shots from the ship's log are just so disturbing. This is one of the few films that have been released in the last 10 or so years that have been truly scary. I think the isolation factor really helps with the setting. They have no place to go. Definitely has that "haunted house in space" effect.

eXcentris

I don't think anyone is saying that it's a masterpiece.

Filmmaker

My argument is not non-sensical and I stand by it; I would never expect the film to reach the heights of either 2001 or THE SHINING, but for it to fall so thuddingly short of those targets is the point of discussion at hand.

Filmmaker

Yes to the former (though admittedly not by any great measure), no to the latter (and I do not consider said latter to be part of the ALIEN franchise, personally).

DonnachaOne

In response to my "resounding praise" comment:I should clarify. I think that there's much better ways to declare your support for a film than to say "it's not nearly as bad as other stuff out there". Comments like that do the film you're attempting to champion a disservice.

I'm not sure what lotsofdvd's comment is referencing.

eXcentris

Resounding praise? Champion? I think saying that this film is better than the standard genre fare is accurate. I'm not sure why you seem to expect "resounding praise" or "championning" of this film...

Joe Molotov

Maybe if they hadn't cut out the demon buttsex, more people could "get behind it".

Richard Malloy

I'm not a fan of the film - not exactly a hater either - but I do find it unfortunate that certain scenes (or scene) was cut. I've seen the film a couple of times on cable, and those cutaways are the only parts that really stuck with me, like very brief windows opening up on a far better film. A film that's not preoccupied with the boring genre elements and sorry attempts at humor, even the unintentional variety like those dumb-assed "perches" on the (non demonic) ship's bridge that remind me of that impossible modern chair in Woody Allen's "Sleeper".

So, even though only a brief cutaway was excised, it just happened to be one of those few short glimpses of undiluted, unrestrained, nearly visionary horror. And even that, apparently, was too much. So, instead of an extended version featuring more such unrestrained visionary images of horror over what we presumed was a watered-down theatrical release, we get an even more watered-down version.

DonnachaOne

Again, my point is missed.

There is a difference between saying "this is better than standard fare" and "it doesn't suck as bad as everything else out there". One is positive and denotes a good film; one is negative and conjures up the image of a film that is terrible, with a couple of good moments that elevate it above regular dreck.

Also, the verb "to champion" means "to defend and/or support". It's a perfectly valid term.

eXcentris

These are your words not mine.

"Champion": To fight for, defend, or support as a champion ("championed the cause of civil rights").

That's a big step up from simply "support".

Julie Walker

How do we know the scene is 'cut' or 'altered' on the new release? So far we only have one person spreading the information around the internet claiming the footage is altered/cut.

How do we not know it was not just his imagination seeing things and it was never really there?

I've seen people arguing over Hostel on various forums claiming that the first full torture scene in the film is "censored and doesn't show him getting drilled in the chest". They claim to have seen the film in theaters and it 'showed' the charecter being drilled in the chest.

Yet in the R & Unrated versions,you never see the charecter drilled in the chest. You hear the drilling and then see the wounds afterwards. Also this torture scene plays exactly the same in the unrated version. So it was not 'cut' down at all.

But they are so sure they 'saw' what they did and are claiming the unrated version is 'cut even more than the R version'. And that somewhere,even more graphic footage exists that was cut out.

In reality,their imaginations are working overtime. So how do we not know this is not the case with Event Horizon?

And until someone can create a little clip of both versions in slow motion to post on the interet. I won't believe the new dvd is 'cut' or 'altered' in anyway.

DonnachaOne

It's paraphrasing, eX, and not just of your statements or this thread.

As for quibbling over the meaning of perfectly valid words - I'm sorry you're taking this thread topic so very seriously. I've said my piece, I've been very reasonable, and my comments are fair and justified. I will not further this irrelevant "argument".

Now then! Any news on the ass-rape from hell-space? Or, is it just like Julie and I supect - a false memory?

ShawnMercury

I DO dispise anything with Andersons name on it...... or Uwe Boll.
Between the two of them, they have completely destroyed the credibilty of films based on video games and forever relegated them to B-film throw-aways which will never get proper screenwriting care or attention.

I think many video games have great story-telling narratives, premises, characters, etc.... and I blame Anderson and Boll that these will never be realised on film (not to mention that it has lowered the opinion of the general public of the quality/importance of video games by having associations with sub-par film-making).... Anderson-hater for life. :P

JaxComet

For some reason I had never seen this movie. Since it was only $13 (Walmart) I said what the heck and picked it up. Definitely worth it in my opinion. Good gory fun...........


The Beastie Boys music during the ending credits did seem a bit odd though...

Hokeyboy

Are there, or were there ever, any video game movies NOT directed by Bowe or Anderson that actually had any credibility? I can't think of a single good one. Maybe CHOPLIFTER...

Filmmaker

For those of you who feel differently about this film than I do, I found the following information on a great (though strange to have been hidden) Easter Egg:

http://www.dvdreview.com/eastereggs/pages/821.shtml