DVD & Home Theater Gear Discuss DVD and Home Theater Equipment.

Filmmaker's Mode

Old 08-28-19, 10:03 AM
  #1  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Filmmaker's Mode

This is a fascinating new development being promoted by filmmakers:


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...etting-1234968

I am of 2 minds on this.
Yes, it would be good to have a built-in Filmmaker's Mode for displays.
OTOH, not all source material escapes technical errors from transfers.
Because of that, I want the ability to make minor adjustments.

As long as this is simply an OPTIONAL "mode" activated by a button on a remote, this could be a great thing.
Of course, we will have to see it in action before passing final judgement.

Last edited by melasnus; 08-28-19 at 10:15 AM.
melasnus is online now  
Old 08-28-19, 11:20 AM
  #2  
DVD Talk Legend
 
E Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Behind Wolf in the Situation Room
Posts: 13,120
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Fascinating isn't really the word. But it may be bigger than Blu-Ray Live. More useless stuff in the big picture. Bill Hunt tweeted some of the filmmakers behind it.






And I hate embedding.
E Unit is offline  
Old 08-28-19, 11:27 AM
  #3  
DVD Talk Legend
 
islandclaws's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain
Posts: 20,052
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

I think it's a great idea, especially to combat the woefully inadequate default settings on most sets. Makes sense, with so many people opting for home entertainment these days, filmmakers should have a voice in how their films are displayed at home by Joe Six Pack, though the irony is he doesn't know good settings from bad anyway.
islandclaws is offline  
Old 08-28-19, 11:28 AM
  #4  
DVD Talk Legend
 
E Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Behind Wolf in the Situation Room
Posts: 13,120
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Friedkin will love this.
E Unit is offline  
Old 08-28-19, 01:57 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk Hero
 
TomOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 33,206
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

This would be good for the 10% that give a shit.
TomOpus is offline  
Old 08-28-19, 03:18 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Here is the proposed settings for Filmmaker Mode:


FILMMAKER MODE APPLIES TO BOTH SDR & HDR CONTENT:

White Point: D65


IMAGE & DISPLAY PARAMETERS:

Maintain source content frame rate & aspect ratio
Motion interpolation: OFF
Overscan: Only if signaled with the image
Sharpening: OFF
TV Noise Reduction: OFF
Other image “enhancement” processing: OFF
melasnus is online now  
Old 08-28-19, 03:51 PM
  #7  
Member
 
Brack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: near Cincinnati
Posts: 9,647
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

I like how my tv goes into a particular mode for Dolby Vision. This new mode sounds like it would be similar. Sounds good to me.
Brack is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 06:36 AM
  #8  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Shannon Nutt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,459
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by melasnus View Post
Here is the proposed settings for Filmmaker Mode:


FILMMAKER MODE APPLIES TO BOTH SDR & HDR CONTENT:

White Point: D65


IMAGE & DISPLAY PARAMETERS:

Maintain source content frame rate & aspect ratio
Motion interpolation: OFF
Overscan: Only if signaled with the image
Sharpening: OFF
TV Noise Reduction: OFF
Other image “enhancement” processing: OFF
Yeah, when I head about this, I basically thought to myself, so TVs will just have a setting that turns all their other settings to "OFF."
Shannon Nutt is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 09:24 AM
  #9  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Conducting miss-aisle drills and listening to their rock n roll
Posts: 17,349
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

My tv is already set up that way because I know what the fuck I’m doing.

Those that don’t get it will never get it. This “mode” isn’t going to fix dumb.
Mabuse is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 11:01 AM
  #10  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
My tv is already set up that way
Same here.

Those that don’t get it will never get it. This “mode” isn’t going to fix dumb.
Ron White and politics DOES come to mind...
Maybe it should be called the "Smart Button?"
melasnus is online now  
Old 08-29-19, 11:35 AM
  #11  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,605
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt View Post
Yeah, when I head about this, I basically thought to myself, so TVs will just have a setting that turns all their other settings to "OFF."
Yeah, I think a better idea would be to push TV manufacturers to ship sets with all these 'features' defaulting to OFF. It irritates me to no end that I have to go in & turn all this crap off for every single input, every single mode. These enhancements should be something can enable, not something you have to disable.
Eddie W is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 02:04 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Conducting miss-aisle drills and listening to their rock n roll
Posts: 17,349
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

They shouldn’t be put on tv’s at all.

Ive never seen anything that motion interpolation makes look good. It’s always bad.
Mabuse is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 03:47 PM
  #13  
DVD Talk Hero
 
TomOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 33,206
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Tell that to JoeSixPack.
TomOpus is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 03:54 PM
  #14  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Hokeyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 18,961
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by islandclaws View Post
filmmakers should have a voice in how their films are displayed at home by Joe Six Pack
No, they shouldn't. If J6P wants full motion smoothing and way too much contrast and sharpness up the ass, good for them. Filmmakers have zero say in that.
Hokeyboy is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 04:09 PM
  #15  
Dan
DVD Talk Legend
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posts: 19,989
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
This would be good for the 10% that give a shit.
This is a gross over-estimation.

I'd go so far as to say less than 1% of viewers give a shit, and if this new "Filmmaker Mode" got defaulted to on for some discs or some types of content (however that would work), people would lose their shit because they THINK the image is too dark, even if it's more accurate.
Dan is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 04:13 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
 
E Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Behind Wolf in the Situation Room
Posts: 13,120
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Even those who think this is a good idea will be appalled at the settings and claim most of them are wrong and the picture doesn't look right. This is more useless crap that isn't needed.
E Unit is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 04:49 PM
  #17  
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
 
Alan Smithee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: USA
Posts: 8,390
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

At long as it’s at least close to the correct settings- the default settings on most TVs is so wrong it isn’t even funny. Some people trust that the default settings are correct,
so that’s how they keep them.
Alan Smithee is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 05:02 PM
  #18  
DVD Talk Legend
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 21,739
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Bill Hunt had a column about this proposed feature. I really don't see the harm in it. I think this is Hollywood's way of addressing OLED and future display tech in a uniform manner.

The UHD Alliance unveils the Filmmaker Mode initiative to ensure 4K TVs display movies properly at home
PhantomStranger is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 06:41 PM
  #19  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy View Post
No, they shouldn't. If J6P wants full motion smoothing and way too much contrast and sharpness up the ass, good for them. Filmmakers have zero say in that.
I have to agree.
Once someone PURCHASES the right to view a movie, they should have the freedom to view it any way they see fit.
And we don't need no stinkin' Nazi videophiles trying to insert control over what someone does in the privacy of their home.

FWIW, I like the term "Suggested Filmmaker's Settings" a little better.
As long as it is an optional feature incorporated in a display, then fine.

melasnus is online now  
Old 08-29-19, 08:23 PM
  #20  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Sonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 18,039
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
This would be good for the 10% that give a shit.
True. This is just a feature for the high end user.

I don't know how this "Filmaker Mode" is going to be adopted. Especially when the picture and technology of each set is different. What you see on a LG OLED will be different than a Panasonic OLED etc etc so who's to say how Filmmaker mode is really supposed to look?

Sonic is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 09:10 PM
  #21  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
andicus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,747
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

I didn't see any mention of a light monitor. It's hard to imagine a setting that would be good for all situations.

Regardless, I'm like others and have my TV set up properly, anyway. Still, I suppose it would be nice to be able to just do it automatically.
andicus is offline  
Old 08-29-19, 10:26 PM
  #22  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: St Louis, MO
Posts: 6,577
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

I think it's a pretty decent idea, though I agree with the notion that it should be optional.

The problem with the "I have my TV set properly so it doesn't matter" argument is that some TVs make it very difficult to do so. For example, my Sony 4K set has several different, ambiguously-named and poorly-documented settings related to "motion (smoothing)". You might think, "I should just turn all of that off" but you'd be wrong, because if you turn it all off, it doesn't eliminate 3:2 pulldown to correctly show 24p content without judder. I had to find an obscure post on a home theater forum where someone did detailed testing of all of the different motion settings for my TV model to identify which combinations result in 24p content being shown properly without judder and without interpolated frames.
kefrank is offline  
Old 08-30-19, 09:46 AM
  #23  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by kefrank View Post

. For example, my Sony 4K set has several different, ambiguously-named and poorly-documented settings related to "motion (smoothing)".
VERY true.
I have a 940c and documentation on settings is frustratingly fuzzy.
You might think, "I should just turn all of that off" but you'd be wrong, because if you turn it all off, it doesn't eliminate 3:2 pulldown to correctly show 24p content without judder. I had to find an obscure post on a home theater forum where someone did detailed testing of all of the different motion settings for my TV model to identify which combinations result in 24p content being shown properly without judder and without interpolated frames.
Out of curiosity, which model do you have and exactly what setting are you speaking of?
melasnus is online now  
Old 08-30-19, 09:39 PM
  #24  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: St Louis, MO
Posts: 6,577
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by melasnus View Post
VERY true.
I have a 940c and documentation on settings is frustratingly fuzzy.
Out of curiosity, which model do you have and exactly what setting are you speaking of?
I have a 49X900E and 75X900F. Fantastic TVs overall, but the motion settings are a nightmare. Here's the post I was referring to that decodes all of the motion settings:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/son...nally.2205593/
kefrank is offline  
Old 08-30-19, 11:31 PM
  #25  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,026
Re: Filmmaker's Mode

Originally Posted by kefrank View Post
I have a 49X900E and 75X900F. Fantastic TVs overall, but the motion settings are a nightmare. Here's the post I was referring to that decodes all of the motion settings:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/son...nally.2205593/
Thank you, Kevin.
I wasn't aware of this website.
melasnus is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.