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Spiky 01-08-12 04:55 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Numanoid (Post 11068797)
You're right, hanging a projector so that it's 4.5' off the ground would be ridiculous.

Well, that was the point, for purpose of illustration.

Ceiling mount is just a good way to get it out of the way for many, shelf is certainly viable. Since they often have to be upside down when high in the air, some hang them underneath a shelf. I don't have a back wall close by, hanging it from the ceiling is basically my only option.

kvrdave 01-08-12 06:23 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 11068560)
Projectorcentral.com gave the Panasonic PT-AE7000U LCD projector really high marks. Some specs:

300,000:1 contrast ratio
2,000 ANSI
4,000-5,000 hrs. lamp life
2.00:1 Intelligent Zoom with Auto Detection (automatically detects 2.35:1 material and fills a screen with that aspect ratio without buying an anamorphic lens)
comes with built-in emitter for 3D (but no glasses)
powered focus, H & V lens shift and V keystone
user can make adjustments to 3D elements like convergence and parallax
480hz LCD panels in the glasses for less crosstalk and a brighter 3D picture

They compared it to the Mitsubishi HC7800D DLP and the Epson 5010 LCD and said the Panasonic has the best black levels in a setting with average illumination, and it does the best 2D-3D conversion. Lowest price I've seen for the Panasonic is $2,975 at PowerSellerNYC. Of course, in the long run it might be cheaper to get a package deal from ProjectorPeople since I'd have to buy a screen, glasses and long HDMI cable. So many choices! So many variables!

I think the 7000 is probably one of the best around from everything I have read. But I don't use 3D, so I didn't really consider it. But if I were looking for overall, plus 3D, I doubt there is anything that would make me look away from the 700.


Originally Posted by Numanoid (Post 11068797)
I don't know why projector owners always feel the need to hang their projectors. You're right, hanging a projector so that it's 4.5' off the ground would be ridiculous. Fortunately, there's another, far easier and more sensible solution -- setting the projector on a shelf, or table of some kind.

Some times you have to. 30' room with stuff towards the back, couch in the middle, and screen at the end. I could go with a table, but I've got kids, including a 5 year old, so a ceiling mount is really the only way to keep it in one piece.

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11068800)
Of course, LCoS is generally said to beat both of those for overall pic quality...that's part of why I broke down and ordered the LG yesterday. I gotta figure out if my current mount can handle 22#.

:lol: Good for you. I picked up a ceiling mount from monoprice for around $15 (I love that place) that had great reviews and can handle 50 pounds. My current mount has never made me very happy, though. Figured for $15 I can't go too wrong.

Spiky 01-09-12 10:05 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
I also love Monoprice and snagged one. I've bought several mounts from them over the years. Decided my old mount has a couple weak links suggesting a low weight rating, didn't want to chance a PJ 3x heavier than my current one. I'm going to reposition this PJ, anyway. I should have years ago with my AE900 to get it more out of the way, now I must with the bigger unit.

Next weekend should be most enjoyable.

kvrdave 01-13-12 02:24 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
Mine just showed up. It is HEAVY. I may wait until tomorrow to install it so that I can go up into the attic and see if I can shore up the rafters. I scabbed in a 2x6 between the rafters for the last one, but it still feels heavy for something on a ceiling mount. :lol:

Sdallnct 01-14-12 03:51 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 11067951)
Thank you, kvrdave and Spiky, for the info! Sounds like lens shift is very important. I guess that means consumers who buy projectors without it either have their projector lined up with the screen to get a perfect rectangular picture or they live with a trapezoidal-shaped picture (or with compromised resolution due to keystone). I'm a stickler for picture quality, which is why I'm thinking of selling my 73" Mits DLP 3D TV. The 1080p resolution is cut in half in 3D mode and it drives me nuts, so most likely if I were to get a projector without lens shift I'd be unhappy with the image quality. I was thinking of getting the Optoma HD33 because I already own 4 pairs of Optoma DLP-link glasses, but now I'm going to consider some higher priced DLP projectors with lens shift. Hopefully, the Optoma glasses will work with other brands of DLP projectors.

I disagree with importance of lens shift unless you want to put on shelf behind you.

Yes, with no lens shift you have to square both the pj and screen. But in most cases you can move either or both!

For example, when I upgraded to my HD70 I actually moved my screen about 1/2 inch so my pj wouldn't be to close to the ceiling.

But remember with careful planning, measuring and getting "just perfect" only happens once. So spend the weekend getting it right and you are good to go till you replace the projector. I built my mount so it has some pretty fine adjustments and can raise or lower it pretty precisely.


Yes, I'll agree there are some extreme situations. And I certainly won't argue it is "easier" with lens shift. But again, on both my projectors (X1 and than HD70) I just spent the time to get it right and that was that. Never have to do it again. And I certainly would consider my room normal. It does have 8' ceilings and I put in two rows of seating (one on a riser). But it is not overly large or anything.

Sdallnct 01-14-12 03:55 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11069546)
I also love Monoprice and snagged one. I've bought several mounts from them over the years. Decided my old mount has a couple weak links suggesting a low weight rating, didn't want to chance a PJ 3x heavier than my current one. I'm going to reposition this PJ, anyway. I should have years ago with my AE900 to get it more out of the way, now I must with the bigger unit.

Next weekend should be most enjoyable.

Surprised you didn't just build a mount.

Sdallnct 01-14-12 03:56 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 11074938)
Mine just showed up. It is HEAVY. I may wait until tomorrow to install it so that I can go up into the attic and see if I can shore up the rafters. I scabbed in a 2x6 between the rafters for the last one, but it still feels heavy for something on a ceiling mount. :lol:

Just how heavy is the thing? And you got the Panny, right? So it has lens shift. No rafter close?

Joe Schmoe 01-14-12 04:07 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11075823)
I disagree with importance of lens shift unless you want to put on shelf behind you.

Yes, with no lens shift you have to square both the pj and screen. But in most cases you can move either or both!

For example, when I upgraded to my HD70 I actually moved my screen about 1/2 inch so my pj wouldn't be to close to the ceiling.

But remember with careful planning, measuring and getting "just perfect" only happens once. So spend the weekend getting it right and you are good to go till you replace the projector. I built my mount so it has some pretty fine adjustments and can raise or lower it pretty precisely.


Yes, I'll agree there are some extreme situations. And I certainly won't argue it is "easier" with lens shift. But again, on both my projectors (X1 and than HD70) I just spent the time to get it right and that was that. Never have to do it again. And I certainly would consider my room normal. It does have 8' ceilings and I put in two rows of seating (one on a riser). But it is not overly large or anything.

I'm not sure where I'll end up putting the projector. I think I'll have to try it in different places to see what works best as far as image quality and practicality. For instance, I don't know if a ceiling-mounted projector would work because there are 2 ceiling fans in the room. I suspect they'll block the light from the projector unless the image can be directed below their path. Sitting on a high shelf/cabinet/bookcase on the rear wall is a possibility. And, if need be, I could sit it on a coffee table in front of the seating. I want to make sure I have plenty of flexibility. I guess that's why I'm interested in lens shift now.

Sdallnct 01-14-12 04:30 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 11075856)
I'm not sure where I'll end up putting the projector. I think I'll have to try it in different places to see what works best as far as image quality and practicality. For instance, I don't know if a ceiling-mounted projector would work because there are 2 ceiling fans in the room. I suspect they'll block the light from the projector unless the image can be directed below their path. Sitting on a high shelf/cabinet/bookcase on the rear wall is a possibility. And, if need be, I could sit it on a coffee table in front of the seating. I want to make sure I have plenty of flexibility. I guess that's why I'm interested in lens shift now.

Well just don't forget that lens shift is NOT a crutch that can fix anything. You need to decide where you will put the projector. Period. Then you need to compare the projectors you are looking at for their zoom length (they are not the same), throw (no where close to the same from projector to projector), amount of lens shift (yes, different by each maker), brightness for the size screen you want, etc, etc.

There are a lot of calculators and such out there to help you. But you cannot expect any single projector to work in every location of any (your) room. So you need to decide where you want to put it. Sure, hopefully you have a few inches in all directions to work with.

I took my ceiling fan down so that I could ceiling mount my projector. I added a fan to the top of a built in book cased (a long thin one) if I want some air movement in the room. It came with a remote so all good. I than added track lighting to the outside of the room for lighting. This was great as I can aim it on movie posters and such and have them on a dimmer to turn up or down as the situation dictates.

I see I've messed up some of the photos somewhere. But you can get an idea of my set up in the link of my signature.

Spiky 01-14-12 05:19 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11075832)
Surprised you didn't just build a mount.

A sheet of metal strong enough to hold this bugger was going to cost over $20. The Monoprice mount cost that much shipped. I actually have never built a PJ mount. I have done many DIY things including parts of speaker mounts, but mounts are so cheap, now.

But this one is almost too big for the PJ. Despite its size, the mounting holes are actually very close together. I was hoping to have a cm of play or so for final adjustment since there is zero horizontal lens shift, but I'm going to have to measure perfectly, instead. Bout half done.

Sdallnct 01-14-12 09:37 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11076001)
A sheet of metal strong enough to hold this bugger was going to cost over $20. The Monoprice mount cost that much shipped. I actually have never built a PJ mount. I have done many DIY things including parts of speaker mounts, but mounts are so cheap, now.

But this one is almost too big for the PJ. Despite its size, the mounting holes are actually very close together. I was hoping to have a cm of play or so for final adjustment since there is zero horizontal lens shift, but I'm going to have to measure perfectly, instead. Bout half done.

How heavy is it? I use plexiglass. Easy to score and snap to size and easy to drill. I used longer screws than needed to go into the projector and added bolts on the opposite side of the plexiglass. This way, twisting the bolts I can raise and lower the projector slightly.

IMO, the "weak link" (or real strength) comes from those screws that go into the projector. My HD70 take pretty small one's. If anything will fail it will be them, not the mount. And those threads are pretty fine.

(I was surprised how small of screws are used in my 27" LCD I mounted in the bar. And that is is sheer weight. I have a swing out arm for that TV and am pretty gentle with it when I move it. The mount won't fail, but those screws make me nervous).

Tho I agree. I built my first mount for my X1 when you couldn't buy any mount for less than $75. So when I upgraded to the HD70 I just built another one. But they are cheap now....the only advantage I had was I wanted a pretty low profile mount, so building it, I was able to do that.

Spiky 01-15-12 01:38 AM

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22 pounds. That compares with 7 or 8 for my AE900. It's up now. Bloody annoying day, helping other people, little time for important things like putting my PJ up!

This one takes small screws, too. I agree, it really seems incongruous with the large PJ. But once I attached the bottom part of the mount to the PJ, it felt pretty good.

The point that really drew me to this unit was the comments from virtually everyone that the color is still excellent in every mode. Most machines look ridiculous in Vivid or Dynamic, making those modes useless for a purist. It's only been up for an hour, but so far I'd have to agree. Very impressed, and it's going to be very nice to be able to watch with some ambient light.

Sdallnct 01-15-12 10:17 AM

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Nice! Yea, bet my HD70 is under 10 lbs as well....tho it was heavy enough that when I was replacing the bulb and took the entire unit down I lost control of it for a second, and it put all the weight on my pinkie finger and dislocated it! Ha! Home Theater accident....it can happen.

Funny part was I was so concerned I had jostled the PJ to much I didn't notice the pain or how finger looked. And wife is such a wuss I had to pop it back in myself! It swelled up enough that the next day I did go to the Dr. (not ER) and she kept asking over and over again how it happened, not believing me!

Anyway....yea...I keep toying with the idea of a new one. Current bulb is 3,000 hours so it is time and will go any minute. But I really like it, it works well. But then I do the math and $250 shipped for a bulb and with careful shopping I could probably find that Mitsubishi for close to $1,100 with a bulb (and perhaps a spare) and it becomes a lot more tempting.

I'll have to read about the one you got. I really think even mine is "watchable" with ambient light. So long as it is not shinning on the screen. I have a wall of windows 90 degrees to the screen (I have heavy curtains). I can open the back one up (farthest from the screen) and watch a day time football game pretty nicely while reading the paper and having coffee. Would I want to do real intense watching on bluray like that? Probably not, but it is very watchable.

Sdallnct 01-15-12 10:43 AM

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OK, I lost track...

Which projectors did you guys get...want to do some reading as I wait for the bulb in mine to go out. Right now the this one is on my short list...and looks like the price is dropping a bit. Pretty easy to get for $1,100 shipped.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Mitsubishi-HC4000.htm

The 5,000 hr bulb might push me over the edge...assuming it is true.

kvrdave 01-15-12 11:18 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11075833)
Just how heavy is the thing? And you got the Panny, right? So it has lens shift. No rafter close?

I got the LG. It is around 22 lbs compared to the 7 lbs of my ae-900.

My room is about 30 feet long with work out equipment in the back half and screen, seating, etc. in the front half. No good way to use a book shelf, and on a table, it would be threatened by boys and wildlife. But, back when I made this into a theater room and was running cable up the wall and through the attic, I scabbed in a 2x6 or 2x8 between the rafters, so I have a very sturdy ceiling to mount to. I have pictures of how it looks now, and will upload those tomorrow.

This LG is simply amazing.

kvrdave 01-15-12 11:27 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11076681)
22 pounds. That compares with 7 or 8 for my AE900. It's up now. Bloody annoying day, helping other people, little time for important things like putting my PJ up!

This one takes small screws, too. I agree, it really seems incongruous with the large PJ. But once I attached the bottom part of the mount to the PJ, it felt pretty good.

The point that really drew me to this unit was the comments from virtually everyone that the color is still excellent in every mode. Most machines look ridiculous in Vivid or Dynamic, making those modes useless for a purist. It's only been up for an hour, but so far I'd have to agree. Very impressed, and it's going to be very nice to be able to watch with some ambient light.

Sweet, we got them up the same day. :up:

The monoprice mount is STOUT. It isn't as low profile as I would prefer, but it is great so far. My old one was a "ball" mount and was nearly impossible to adjust perfectly and the low profile made it even tougher. This thing was easy.

The nicest new feature I see is that the LG has a sleep mode. I use my pj for everything. I will use it for hours. And often I will sleep in the man room. The old panny would end up on overnight very often. But last night I just set it to turn off in 30 minutes. Very nice feature.

I couldn't be happier. Put in Avatar to see the difference of 1080 vs 720. Didn't expect much, but it was absolutely awesome. Probably a lot has to do with the difference in contrast, etc. of the new LG. But I'm blown away. And damn it can be bright.

Trying to reprogram the Harmony 880 now.

Sdallnct 01-15-12 11:33 AM

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everyone is getting a new projector....I want a new projector..

<----stomps around....

Joe Schmoe 01-15-12 01:41 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11075919)
Well just don't forget that lens shift is NOT a crutch that can fix anything. You need to decide where you will put the projector. Period. Then you need to compare the projectors you are looking at for their zoom length (they are not the same), throw (no where close to the same from projector to projector), amount of lens shift (yes, different by each maker), brightness for the size screen you want, etc, etc.

There are a lot of calculators and such out there to help you. But you cannot expect any single projector to work in every location of any (your) room. So you need to decide where you want to put it. Sure, hopefully you have a few inches in all directions to work with.

I took my ceiling fan down so that I could ceiling mount my projector. I added a fan to the top of a built in book cased (a long thin one) if I want some air movement in the room. It came with a remote so all good. I than added track lighting to the outside of the room for lighting. This was great as I can aim it on movie posters and such and have them on a dimmer to turn up or down as the situation dictates.

I see I've messed up some of the photos somewhere. But you can get an idea of my set up in the link of my signature.

Thanks for the photos. I'd be curious to see the 2 that are missing.

My room measures 11' 7" wide and 19' 3" long with 8' ceilings. I used the calculator on projectorpeople's site and the Panasonic AE7000u to get some numbers, but I'm still confused by a few things. I know what throw distance is, but what is throw ratio? What is zoom ratio? The unit is 13" deep, so if I placed this unit against one of the short walls and projected it across the length of the room, the throw distance would be roughly 18' (right?) because the lens is on the front of the unit (not against the back wall itself), and this would give me a diagonal image of 139" (16x9) format. That would be too big since the wall itself is only 139" wide. Does that automatically mean I couldn't place this projector against the back wall or can the image be downsized a bit? Is that where throw ratio and zoom ratio come into play?

Sdallnct 01-15-12 05:17 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 11077044)
Thanks for the photos. I'd be curious to see the 2 that are missing.

My room measures 11' 7" wide and 19' 3" long with 8' ceilings. I used the calculator on projectorpeople's site and the Panasonic AE7000u to get some numbers, but I'm still confused by a few things. I know what throw distance is, but what is throw ratio? What is zoom ratio? The unit is 13" deep, so if I placed this unit against one of the short walls and projected it across the length of the room, the throw distance would be roughly 18' (right?) because the lens is on the front of the unit (not against the back wall itself), and this would give me a diagonal image of 139" (16x9) format. That would be too big since the wall itself is only 139" wide. Does that automatically mean I couldn't place this projector against the back wall or can the image be downsized a bit? Is that where throw ratio and zoom ratio come into play?

Here is the "room in use" pic with a cast party from one of my daughters plays a couple years ago. Also shows the draps I got.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2277/groupsmallln9.jpg

See if this helps you,

http://www.theprojectorpros.com/lear...ter_setting_up

Throw distance is a range in on most every projector as they have a zoom lens.

Lens offset is how much the lens is offset from shooting the image straight ahead. Meaning, if you place a projector on a table the image is up from the projector (for obvious reasons). If you hang a projector it is mounted upside down, so the reverse happens and image is displayed down from the projector. So if you have a low ceiling for example and want to ceiling mount it, it might shoot the image to low (but this may or may not be in issue. If only a single row of seating, might not be as big of an issue. But if you have two rows, it might be more of a concern).

On most LCD's the offset can be adjusted with lens shift. On most lower cost DLP's there is no lens shift.

IMO, in either case you have to do the math. Lens offset varies by projector so again, it can't make up for everything. Just like a zoom lens, there is a limit.

I have two rows and a 94" diagonal 16:9 screen. 1st row is about 10.5 ft, 2nd row about 12.5. I mounted the projector so it was roughly in the middle of the zoom range so if I was off by a bit the zoom would help me. IMO, you should do the same with the lens offset. Figure where to put it and than use the offset to help correct if you were off by a touch.

Joe Schmoe 01-15-12 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11077433)

See if this helps you,

http://www.theprojectorpros.com/lear...ter_setting_up

Throw distance is a range in on most every projector as they have a zoom lens.

Lens offset is how much the lens is offset from shooting the image straight ahead. Meaning, if you place a projector on a table the image is up from the projector (for obvious reasons). If you hang a projector it is mounted upside down, so the reverse happens and image is displayed down from the projector. So if you have a low ceiling for example and want to ceiling mount it, it might shoot the image to low (but this may or may not be in issue. If only a single row of seating, might not be as big of an issue. But if you have two rows, it might be more of a concern).

On most LCD's the offset can be adjusted with lens shift. On most lower cost DLP's there is no lens shift.

IMO, in either case you have to do the math. Lens offset varies by projector so again, it can't make up for everything. Just like a zoom lens, there is a limit.

I have two rows and a 94" diagonal 16:9 screen. 1st row is about 10.5 ft, 2nd row about 12.5. I mounted the projector so it was roughly in the middle of the zoom range so if I was off by a bit the zoom would help me. IMO, you should do the same with the lens offset. Figure where to put it and than use the offset to help correct if you were off by a touch.

Thanks!

Spiky 01-15-12 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 11077044)
Thanks for the photos. I'd be curious to see the 2 that are missing.

My room measures 11' 7" wide and 19' 3" long with 8' ceilings. I used the calculator on projectorpeople's site and the Panasonic AE7000u to get some numbers, but I'm still confused by a few things. I know what throw distance is, but what is throw ratio? What is zoom ratio? The unit is 13" deep, so if I placed this unit against one of the short walls and projected it across the length of the room, the throw distance would be roughly 18' (right?) because the lens is on the front of the unit (not against the back wall itself), and this would give me a diagonal image of 139" (16x9) format. That would be too big since the wall itself is only 139" wide. Does that automatically mean I couldn't place this projector against the back wall or can the image be downsized a bit? Is that where throw ratio and zoom ratio come into play?

Zoom is in the lens, just like any other zoom lens. Whatever they call it, ratio...whatever, it allows you to have a range of throw distance so you have choices on location. The calculator on Projector Central should have specific info for most PJs. If you use it, you won't have to worry about calculating anything based on the ratios that different mfgrs might use. It will simply tell you if you can have the size you want at the distance you want. It shows a range of about 92" to 184" diag screen at 18' throw with the AE7000.

Spiky 01-16-12 08:23 AM

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One problem with the LG is it does not have discrete input codes. That is going to make Harmony or other macro remotes difficult to use. Unless you are HDMI-only.

I'm also finding it will not communicate with my old BDp except for 24p. That may sound fine, movies look great, but the players menus are not sent in 24p so I see nothing but black screen until it gets to a disc menu. It may be a cabling issue, I'll try to figure it out. Works fine with the TiVo in either 720/1080.

kvrdave 01-16-12 10:48 AM

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Here is a picture of my old wimpy mount.
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMAG0997.jpg

Here is the new monoprice beefy mount.
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMAG0995.jpg

Here's the unit attached.
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/IMAG0998.jpg

kvrdave 01-16-12 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11078037)
One problem with the LG is it does not have discrete input codes. That is going to make Harmony or other macro remotes difficult to use. Unless you are HDMI-only.

I'm also finding it will not communicate with my old BDp except for 24p. That may sound fine, movies look great, but the players menus are not sent in 24p so I see nothing but black screen until it gets to a disc menu. It may be a cabling issue, I'll try to figure it out. Works fine with the TiVo in either 720/1080.

You've gotten more technical than I understand. :lol: I use the harmony 880 and I noticed that it didn't program in "mode" automatically, which is obviously a must so that I can change the setting for movies, sports, and computer. I was able to get the 880 to learn the code fine. That tells me that I don't know what discrete input codes are :lol:

But I will also admit that I don't use macros or set up any activities. I tried with the old pj and it kept turning it off and on with each activity. So I just use the individual "devices" and do everything. I have noticed that when changing inputs from RGB to HDMI, it takes much longer than the old AE900, but I suppose I can live with that.

Spiky 01-16-12 11:58 AM

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Yeah, I tried Harmony and didn't really like it for me, my remote usage is a little more complex than "activities" can handle. Also, projectors are not really covered in the intended usage of a Harmony remote. Not that some don't manage, like our poor, 720p-watching friend Sdallnct. ;)

Discrete is like what the AE900 has, sort of. It has 3 separate buttons for HDMI/PC, Component, and Video/Svideo, so you can (more) directly access these inputs. (truly discrete would be 5 buttons for those 5 inputs) The LG just has the one Input button, so an activity or macro would need to know how many times to "press" the button to get to each input. I do use a couple macros, so I may attempt to work on this, we'll see. HDMI also makes it so slow, you have to have delays built in to some macros. It's hardly worth it sometimes.

kvrdave 01-16-12 12:40 PM

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Okay, I see what you are saying, and agree. It would be nice to have an "RGB" button and an "HDMI1" button rather than having to do "input next" for everything. I agree on that. They do have discrete buttons on the back of the unit, don't they? Seems odd to have individual buttons on the back, but not have those buttons on the remote.

cpgator 01-16-12 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdallnct (Post 11077433)
Here is the "room in use" pic with a cast party from one of my daughters plays a couple years ago. Also shows the draps I got.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2277/groupsmallln9.jpg

You have very ugly couches sir. :)

Sdallnct 01-16-12 02:03 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11078258)
Yeah, I tried Harmony and didn't really like it for me, my remote usage is a little more complex than "activities" can handle. Also, projectors are not really covered in the intended usage of a Harmony remote. Not that some don't manage, like our poor, 720p-watching friend Sdallnct. ;)

Discrete is like what the AE900 has, sort of. It has 3 separate buttons for HDMI/PC, Component, and Video/Svideo, so you can (more) directly access these inputs. (truly discrete would be 5 buttons for those 5 inputs) The LG just has the one Input button, so an activity or macro would need to know how many times to "press" the button to get to each input. I do use a couple macros, so I may attempt to work on this, we'll see. HDMI also makes it so slow, you have to have delays built in to some macros. It's hardly worth it sometimes.

Oh that hurts! :( ha!!

I had to do some minor advance settings for my Harmony. The HD70 requires to hit the power button twice to turn off. Also, I had to add a short delay from on to changing input as it took the HD70 a bit to warm up before it would accept an input change. Not as big of an issue now that I've gone 100% HDMI. Even works well with the PS3 now that I added the Harmony BT converter.

Otherwise love the Harmony. Tho 880 finally died and had to sub in a lessor model I was using in the bar till I find a deal on the Harmony One. Just been lazy about that. There have been deals. Including Harmony sometimes giving you a good deal on one if you are having issues with your current remote.


Originally Posted by cpgator (Post 11078373)
You have very ugly couches sir. :)

You have no idea how much I hate that couch. But wife loves it. One day while wife is out, that couch will be gone. I have priced and like the smaller Berkline. On the smaller one's I can fit 4 where the couch is.

kvrdave 01-16-12 02:54 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
The old one had to hit the power twice to turn off and so is the new one. Had the old one set up to double click for power off, but decided not to on this one. I've accidently turned it off before and this should keep me from being undone by my own stupidity.

RockyMtnBri 01-16-12 04:27 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
Never thought I'd jump back into a projector discussion since I bought mine almost 4 years ago! My next jump will be when Pico projectors become a viable solution for home theater! Extended life with no lamp per se, and quieter. Still happy with my Sony VPL-VW60, and I've only replaced the lamp once in 4 years. I also bought a newer PS3 when my original bit the dust, and man, it is silent compared to the old one! Runs cooler too!

Sdallnct 01-16-12 04:52 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
Here is my mount....piece of thick plexiglass, and couple pieces of plumbing pipe....note how low profile I was able to get. And am able to adjust as needed.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6969/imagedahk.jpg

Spiky 01-16-12 05:10 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 11078303)
Okay, I see what you are saying, and agree. It would be nice to have an "RGB" button and an "HDMI1" button rather than having to do "input next" for everything. I agree on that. They do have discrete buttons on the back of the unit, don't they? Seems odd to have individual buttons on the back, but not have those buttons on the remote.

Nope. I forget precisely, but the on-PJ buttons are something like:
Power
Menu
Input (single button)
Left
Right
Up
Down
Select

It is sometimes possible that the remote codes would exist, despite not being on the physical remote, and we could find them and program them into our fancy remotes. This was the case with the Eject command on my Mits VCR, I added it to my universal. But from what I read on AVS, that is not true for the LG, just plain no discretes whatsoever. It also does not have any sort of control input for use with a wired system. Those are almost certainly related failings.

I bought it anyway. :)

Spiky 01-16-12 05:13 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
Oh, btw, I apparently got a different Monoprice mount. That would explain our different experiences. Mine works, it is square to the screen, holds the PJ.

kvrdave 01-16-12 05:23 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by RockyMtnBri (Post 11078590)
Never thought I'd jump back into a projector discussion since I bought mine almost 4 years ago! My next jump will be when Pico projectors become a viable solution for home theater! Extended life with no lamp per se, and quieter. Still happy with my Sony VPL-VW60, and I've only replaced the lamp once in 4 years. I also bought a newer PS3 when my original bit the dust, and man, it is silent compared to the old one! Runs cooler too!

Sold my original PS3 recently and just bought a regular BD player. The old PS3 was so freaking loud, and I didn't ever play games to speak of. Bought it because it was effectively the cheapest BD player when they came out.

kvrdave 01-16-12 05:27 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11078628)
Oh, btw, I apparently got a different Monoprice mount. That would explain our different experiences. Mine works, it is square to the screen, holds the PJ.

Ah. This one holds the projector lower than I would like, but it is super strong. But I am very fortunate I braced the ceiling well. :lol:

I never actually looked at the bottons on the back. Just assumed they were different input modes. That seems like a pretty obvious/simple thing to have.

Spiky 01-16-12 09:51 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
I gotta say, 1080 really is nice. So is a high lumen count. This is a major upgrade IMO. I'm watching Fox and it looks insanely better, and Fox is only 720 itself. Haven't even calibrated at all and very, very happy.
:banana:
I always said I'd get LCoS when it was cost-effective for me. I think $1300 is a pretty damn good deal.

I got this mount, which has several height options, either 5" or the big adjustable arm that does 17-26" or something. But it didn't come with ANY mounting screws, luckily I kept everything from my old mount. And it was much tougher to adjust than the description for yours claims, at least for this PJ with fairly narrow screw positions. The spider arms are really stiff, nice and rigid, but not great for making that last 2mm adjustment. Looks like yours is a better deal overall if the 8" thing is ok. I didn't even see it, might have bought that one if I had. Guess I'm just posting this as a review for anyone else in the market to read.
http://images2.monoprice.com/product...ages/54662.jpg

But Geez, man. 76,000 posts? Damn!

kvrdave 01-16-12 11:52 PM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
:lol: I need to get a life, I know.

Do you hook up your computer to yours? I've noticed choppy video on several things. I even went back to old video that I had seen before and it was choppy. I'm wondering if that is a result of being hooked in through the RGB, which can't use the true motion, though I haven't used it for anything else either.

It makes me wonder if I need to look at now upgrading the computer to one with an HDMI output. And that would likely mean needing to upgrade the audio receiver as it would put me at 4 HDMI that need a home. I could get by with a monoprice HDMI box, I suppose. I have one and it works well, but only has room for 1 less than I would need. Heck, I see that I already have one of those, but it would still mean upgrading the computer.

Sdallnct 01-17-12 09:52 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by Spiky (Post 11078877)
I gotta say, 1080 really is nice. So is a high lumen count. This is a major upgrade IMO. I'm watching Fox and it looks insanely better, and Fox is only 720 itself. Haven't even calibrated at all and very, very happy.
:banana:
I always said I'd get LCoS when it was cost-effective for me. I think $1300 is a pretty damn good deal.

I got this mount, which has several height options, either 5" or the big adjustable arm that does 17-26" or something. But it didn't come with ANY mounting screws, luckily I kept everything from my old mount. And it was much tougher to adjust than the description for yours claims, at least for this PJ with fairly narrow screw positions. The spider arms are really stiff, nice and rigid, but not great for making that last 2mm adjustment. Looks like yours is a better deal overall if the 8" thing is ok. I didn't even see it, might have bought that one if I had. Guess I'm just posting this as a review for anyone else in the market to read.
http://images2.monoprice.com/product...ages/54662.jpg

But Geez, man. 76,000 posts? Damn!

I know you put the 1080p comment in "just for me"...ha! Yes...yes...I'm looking. HA!

That is a damn scary mount....looks like something in a torture chamber!

Sdallnct 01-17-12 10:00 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 11079017)
:lol: I need to get a life, I know.

Do you hook up your computer to yours? I've noticed choppy video on several things. I even went back to old video that I had seen before and it was choppy. I'm wondering if that is a result of being hooked in through the RGB, which can't use the true motion, though I haven't used it for anything else either.

It makes me wonder if I need to look at now upgrading the computer to one with an HDMI output. And that would likely mean needing to upgrade the audio receiver as it would put me at 4 HDMI that need a home. I could get by with a monoprice HDMI box, I suppose. I have one and it works well, but only has room for 1 less than I would need. Heck, I see that I already have one of those, but it would still mean upgrading the computer.

I have to admit to doing something I thought I'd never do. I downgraded receivers to get HDMI.

I had a nice but old H/K. Great sound. No features and no HDMI (and I was using the monoprice switcher). I ran across a deal on an Onkyo with 3-4 HDMI's. I was one of those "just to good to pass up" deals, so I bought to try it out figuring I could move to the living room if I didn't like.

It doesn't suck. I think it is close to being as powerful. And not quite as warm sounding as the H/K. But no tinny or hollow sound. So I've been living with it. And have to admit the HDMI is nice and now can do lossless (which with my speakers is not as big a deal as could be). Overall I'm happy with the swap...

kvrdave 01-17-12 10:27 AM

Re: Might be time to upgrade the projector. Any new developments?
 
That's a bit of my worry. I've had 4 or 5 receivers in my life. Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony, and 2 Yamahas. The first and the last were Yamahas, and each one in between didn't quite live up to the Yamaha.


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