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Old 03-01-07, 10:52 PM
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Disappointed that you got a 1080i HDTV?

I have a 50 inch Samsung 1080i DLP and I'm kinda disappointed that I can't take full advantage of 1080P HD players.

I also read that most PS3 games that are 720P will be downconverted to 480i on 1080i displays. What's there to be excited about if that's the case?

So, are you disappointed that you got a 1080i HDTV? Planning on trading it in for a 1080P? What are your thoughts?
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Old 03-02-07, 01:59 AM
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im dissapointed that I bought a 42" Panny plasma EDTV a year and a half ago for 2 grans and can get something 100x better now...but that wasnt the question was it
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Old 03-02-07, 02:30 AM
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There is no such thing as a "1080i DLP". ALL digitals are natively progressive. You're set is either 720p or 1080p natively and scales all other resolutions to its native resolution.

The only way you can ever have a true 1080i display is if you have a CRT HDTV.

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Old 03-02-07, 03:59 AM
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Yep it cracks me up that people flock to these plasma and lcd panels that are 720p tops if you're lucky for $2000. Not to mention basically tiny screen size. They did the same thing though almost hiding sets couldn't do 720p when they came out, hell most stores said it wouldn't matter, no one uses it. Ugh I don't know Im happy with my 720p projector at 110 inches. If nothing else it at least feels like Im in a real theater.

Live and learn but it still amazes me all these displays aren't worth half what they charge for them.
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Old 03-02-07, 07:42 AM
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Don't be so quick to dismiss the 720p plasmas/LCDs because there is a trade-off between the increase in resolution (1080p) and contrast ratio and color accuracy. Viewed from the right distances, 720p sets are perfectly fine, and have less issues with contrast/color uniformity over 1080p sets. I used to think I had to have 1080p, but after checking out all my options, I found that wasn't the case. Of course, there is a cost/benefit component to the purchasing decision for the technology at hand.

Now, 1080i and 1080p shouldn't be that much of an issue because if a set can handle 1080i material correctly, it'll combine the fields correctly and what you'll see isn't all that inferior to 1080p where the player is pushing out the frames progressively. It's more of a placebo effect making viewers think 1080p is so much better than 1080i when it'd be hard to tell in double-blind tests. 1080p is the new buzz word to sell TVs and HD discs.

BTW, I do have a 1080i CRT RP HDTV set from 4-5 years ago. The main reason I'm looking to upgrade is more about my brightness levels waning on the guns in my RP HDTV, making black levels murkier than in the past. I always knew I would be upgrading my TV in this time frame because at that time, I bought the largest HDTV I could with what I had budgeted, and got a 4x3 56" sized HDTV set. It has served me well up to now. Also, my TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which has become a de facto standard, so the upgrade dance continues. That's about it. The upgrade is not about being able to play 1080p content natively as being scaled to 720p is fine with me from my normal viewing distance in my home, and without breaking the bank.

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Old 03-02-07, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Slayer2005
There is no such thing as a "1080i DLP". ALL digitals are natively progressive. You're set is either 720p or 1080p natively and scales all other resolutions to its native resolution.

The only way you can ever have a true 1080i display is if you have a CRT HDTV.
Don't be so quick on the draw there Tex. There is a bit more to a display than just the imaging engine. What the OP is saying is that his TV will not accept 1080p signals. Of course the display engine may be capable of displaying a 1080p image, but if the upstream electronics will only accept a 1080i signal, the resulting image is not as crisp as it could be. Interpolating a 1080i signal to 1080p for display is not the same as displaying the original 1080p signal in all its glory.

That being said, I think that most people will has a tough time telling the difference between a 1080i vs 1080p image. Other factors will have a far greater impact on how the image appears.
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Old 03-02-07, 09:47 AM
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While I'm happy to jump on the 1080p ship from a "future proof" point of view, I'm not so quick to jump on it from a price point to features standpoint. Basically what Patman laid out above. ( ^ ). I think somebody buying a set today would be smart to get something a little under what they were looking at and wait ~2-3 years and what is out then. Especially if any of the OLED type displays hit the market from Cannon (and whoever their partner is). If they are anywhere near as good as they claim, I think you'll truely see benefits over current 1080p displays (in terms of picture quality, brightness, contrasts, etc.).

Also, as much as I love the PC compatability aspects of LCDs right now, I'd be inclinded to still stick with plasmas due to, what I see as, better color reproduction and better contrast levels (specifically blacks).
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Old 03-02-07, 10:26 AM
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I got a 720p Sammy DLP and couldn't be happier with it. There are a few things that bug me about it, like some loss of picture in black areas but properly calibrated for movies through HDMI and it looks pretty damn good. I play 1080p source material through and it still looks amazing even if it isn't displaying true 1080p, HD-DVD transfers are much cleaner then normal DVD. Be happy with what you got and just wait to upgrade in the future when the time is right.

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Old 03-02-07, 10:40 AM
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If this question is strictly about geting a 1080i TV when 1080p is out now, then I can not answer it.

If you are including all non 1080p sets in your question then no.

I LOVE my Panasonic plasma and Blu-Ray movies and PS3 game look absolutely SICK on it.
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Old 03-02-07, 11:00 AM
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Yep it cracks me up that people flock to these plasma and lcd panels that are 720p tops if you're lucky for $2000. Not to mention basically tiny screen size. They did the same thing though almost hiding sets couldn't do 720p when they came out, hell most stores said it wouldn't matter, no one uses it. Ugh I don't know Im happy with my 720p projector at 110 inches. If nothing else it at least feels like Im in a real theater.

Live and learn but it still amazes me all these displays aren't worth half what they charge for them.
I agree. I am very happy with my 480p projector and 80 inch screen. I will NEVER blow my cash on HDTV. My next upgrade will be yours, ie, 720p but with a 92 inch screen. (Space cant get that damned extra 8 inches to pop 100, but oh well - 80 inches is blowing me away from 9.5 feet away sitting distance!
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Old 03-02-07, 03:34 PM
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I will NEVER blow my cash on HDTV. My next upgrade will be yours, ie, 720p but with a 92 inch screen.
Those are contradictory statements. 720p is HDTV.
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Old 03-02-07, 04:37 PM
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I'm in the anti resolution camp. I truely believe (not only from what I have seen, but read/researched as well) that from a display 55"-60" and seating at a reasonable distance a human simply cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I feel that contrast levels, color accuracy, black levels, etc are far more important then resolution. I would pit most of the panasonic 720p plasma's against most of the 1080p out there and would feel the panny would come out on top much of the time (especially these off brand or 2nd tier brand displays).
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Old 03-02-07, 05:00 PM
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My 1080p Sony SXRD (LCoS) HDTV suffers from no color accuracy or contrast problems.
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Old 03-02-07, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
My 1080p Sony SXRD (LCoS) HDTV suffers from no color accuracy or contrast problems.
I wasn't picking on any one set. What size is your Sony?

My point is, take something like a 42" display. If EVERYTHING were equal (contrast, color, etc) and you were sitting at a reasonable/appropriate distance, you simply could not see the difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p.

More to the point is rarely is everything equal. Many folk are running out and getting cheap, low quality, off brand, 1080p sets simply because they are 1080p. And I would say in most of these cases a panasonic plasma 720p set would provide a better overall picture since it would have better black levels, better contrast, better colors.

There may be other reasons to get a 1080p set. For example, the new Samsung models have faster color wheels in the 1080p and a few other features that I would agree make them worth looking at.

Now if you want to talk big sets. Especially 60" and over then yea, I'd start to look at 1080p. But otherwise imo, the best thing the 1080p are doing are lowing the prices of the 720ps.

This if from the November 2006 issue of Home Theater Magazine (I have a subscription that is why no link). They have a nice article of "Your Top 25 HDTV Questions Answered" the very first question....

1. What's all the fuss about 1080p? Should I buy a 1080p HDTV now? There are plenty of 1080p HDTV's on the market and more coming. Manufacturers are moving to 1080p resolution in their displays mostly because the prices of 720p and 768p HDTVs are dropping so quickly, and 1080p sets have better profit margins. It's also not as expensive to make 1080p sets using DLP, LCOS, and LCD technologies as it used to be. (1080p plasma is still getting out of the gate.) If you plan to get a new HD DVD or Blu-ray player, you might want to consider a 1080p set to get all the resolution these disc formats offer-or if you are into really big HD images and want to sit close to the screen. Of course, you'll want to make sure your 1080p DHTV deinterlaces 1080i correctly; not all do. If it doesn't deinterlace correctly, the image will be softer then it should be. If, on the other hand, you are planning on getting a TV smaller then 60 inches and are sitting 10 or more feet away, then a 720p/768p set will be just fine. This is because, at that size/distance, your eye can't resolve all the detail in 1080p anyway.
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Old 03-02-07, 06:42 PM
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I wasn't picking on any one set. What size is your Sony?
No, you were generalizing, which is the problem.

My SXRD is 50 inches, but it's in a fairly small room. I sit about 7 feet away from it.

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Old 03-02-07, 06:56 PM
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No, you were generalizing, which is the problem.

My SXRD is 50 inches, but it's in a fairly small room. I sit about 7 feet away from it.
Which I cleared up follow up in my post...

regardless of quality of set (and I think your Sony is one of the best out there), I'll still stand the statement of something less then 55"-60" set, sitting at a reasonable distance, you simply cannot see all the resolution in 1080p.

Now in your specific case, since you are sitting so close, maybe you can see the difference. But at that size and that distance, I think it would still be very, very close.

But mostly what I read about is the folks who are getting 1080p simply for 1080p and to "future proof". Without looking at other factors. And I think there are more important factors out there. Your Sony does indeed have excellent contrast, black levels and color. But it is one of the most expensive sets out there. It cracks me up seeing people clamor for some cheap 40" set only because it has 1080p. Yet it has terrible contrast, black levels and colors and they sit 15' away from it!
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Old 03-02-07, 07:30 PM
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Your Sony does indeed have excellent contrast, black levels and color. But it is one of the most expensive sets out there.
Hardly. I paid $1,499 for it a month ago at OneCall.com.
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I bought a 50" Sony Grand Wega RP-LCD 1080i and it looks great. End of story. My friend has the 1080p SXRD and I can't see the difference. Even when I've seen demos it's minimal to me at best. Consider me satisifed.
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Don't be so quick on the draw there Tex. There is a bit more to a display than just the imaging engine. What the OP is saying is that his TV will not accept 1080p signals. Of course the display engine may be capable of displaying a 1080p image, but if the upstream electronics will only accept a 1080i signal, the resulting image is not as crisp as it could be. Interpolating a 1080i signal to 1080p for display is not the same as displaying the original 1080p signal in all its glory.

That being said, I think that most people will has a tough time telling the difference between a 1080i vs 1080p image. Other factors will have a far greater impact on how the image appears.
Speaking of quick draws, you may want to look at TV signals. They are not 1080p. So it doesn't matter.

BD and HDDVD are 1080p. But taking the 1080p off a disc, interlacing and then deinterlacing doesn't lose any image and shouldn't introduce any artifacts. Assuming adequate hardware, of course, but this is much easier than the de-interlacing necessary for DVD. Interpolation is not what is done.
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Originally Posted by Pistol Pete
What the OP is saying is that his TV will not accept 1080p signals. .

Where did you read that? He wasn't very specific. He didn't actually say he tried to send a 1080p signal to actually find out if it did or not. It sounds like he's assuming everying based on reading. Maybe he can clarify. Also, he was worried about 720p being downconverted to 480p on "1080i" displays, but his display is not 1080i, so that's not a worry he should have.

My 480p DLP projector even accepts 1080p. The question is "Has he actually tried 1080p" on his set.

Those are contradictory statements. 720p is HDTV.
Not really. Technically 720p is high defintion. He was referring to buying a 720p definition projector over a high definition TV. A projector isn't a tv.

I bought a 50" Sony Grand Wega RP-LCD 1080i and it looks great. End of story. My friend has the 1080p SXRD and I can't see the difference. Even when I've seen demos it's minimal to me at best. Consider me satisifed.
If you LCD is not 1080p naitvely then in reality it's not 1080i it, it's 720p that can accept 1080i and downscale it to 720p. So, from the right distance 1080p and 720p are virtually indistinguishable from each other most of the time.
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I always love reading everyone picking apart everyone else's posts.

I agree that with 1080p, size and quality of the TV are big factors too. I have the 60" SXRD and sit about 10 feet away from it, so I'm fairly certain that I'm seeing at least some advantage with 1080p. In the near future, all this will be a moot point, as I'm sure that 1080p sets will be the norm.
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Old 03-03-07, 11:14 AM
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In the near future, all this will be a moot point, as I'm sure that 1080p sets will be the norm.
Are you sure about that? Are you sure isn't a new high, high definition coming on the heals of 1080p? You don't really think display makers will stop at 1080p do you? What would cause people to upgrade then?
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Oh I'm sure that something else will come along eventually, that's what drives the consumer electronics market. That's why I said the near future.

Would HD-DVD or Blu-ray be able to go beyond 1080p, or would that be out of their specs? If they can't (I don't think they can), I'd assume that 1080p TVs are good enough until the next generation of video software comes along (whenever that will be).
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Old 03-03-07, 03:26 PM
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I've read that they're working towards 1440p sets next. So we'll aways be a step behind technology. Perhaps an example of delayed gratification.

I had to get 1080i DLP set in 2004; despite talk of a 1080p model down the road. Back then, there weren't any signals above 1080i, so why not buy a 1080i set.

Today, everyone who purchases a 1080p TV and player will likely be happy with what they have until 1440p becomes the norm.
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Today, everyone who purchases a 1080p TV and player will likely be happy with what they have until 1440p becomes the norm.
Actually I think most people who buy 720p will be happy. Unless they let the hype get to them. Or let their friends pressure them into thinking they don't have "real" HD unless it is 1080p.

I'm kicking myself right now for not picking up one of those Panny 42" plasma's when that had all those deals right after thanksgiving (final cost in the $900 range). I have seen that set properly calibrated with a good HD source and it is pretty much the best picture I have ever seen. I was going to get one, but really wanted something along the lines of a 46" set. We have a large living room and will sit 10+ feet away but 46" is as big as I want to go. So no real point in going 1080p.
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