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basaro 08-13-04 11:08 AM

Is there such a thing as a dvd player without a layer transition pause?
 
I'm in the market for a new player, most likely Region Free. Any recommendations?

I also wanted to know if there are any players that don't have a layer transition pause? This annoys the hell out of me.

DVD Josh 08-13-04 11:34 AM

The problem isn't the player usually, it's the discs. Some discs don't have a "wraparound" of the data, meaning that the laser has to travel back to the inner rim of the disc at the layer change! Stupid...

Most players I've had are less than one second, which to me is quite acceptable. I've not known any not to jump a little bit. It's the nature of the technology.

basaro 08-13-04 12:19 PM

Thanks for that info Josh.

But my argument to the manufacturers would be this:
Why can't the players utilize cd-skip technology to avoid this pause? You know what I mean, the laser reads ahead and "caches" the data, then it is played back after that. It only needs to cache a few seconds ahead to avoid that pause. I realize that we're not just talking audio here, there's video too, but surely it's possible for them to do this!
Although I imagine with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, movies will fit onto the first layer, so this problem would go away, but I don't plan on buying into that format for quite a while.

DVD Josh 08-13-04 01:25 PM

Basaro it's funny you mention that because I was thinking the same thing as I typed my original response! I would imagine that the size of the data has something to do with it, but I'm not entirely sure.

Josh Z 08-13-04 01:31 PM

Many of the high-end players from Denon offer a frame buffer that does exactly what you want and basically eliminates the layer pause.

So it does exist, but you won't find it on the cheaper models.

Brian Shannon 08-13-04 03:48 PM


Originally posted by Josh Z
Many of the high-end players from Denon offer a frame buffer that does exactly what you want and basically eliminates the layer pause.

So it does exist, but you won't find it on the cheaper models.

Although it does depend on the disc my I rarely notice any change at all on my Denon 2900

cajun_junky 08-13-04 06:01 PM

The high end Denon players have buffers. The 2900 like Brian Shannon has I believe has an 8MB buffer to practically eliminate the pause. Too rich for my wallet now......maybe later.

basaro 08-13-04 09:39 PM

very cool info, thanks.

I did a little looking and found that the Denon 2200 model also has the 8mb buffer, and it runs for about $600 vs. the $1000 for the better 2900 player.

Now all I have to find is a player that is region free and has a buffer too :)

Maybe I'll check out the international forum.

cowanrg 08-13-04 10:48 PM

yep, my 2200 has never even stuttered during a layer change.

basaro 08-14-04 12:02 AM


Originally posted by cowanrg
yep, my 2200 has never even stuttered during a layer change.
Have you tried upgrading this to region free? If I can find the codes to do this, I will definitely get this player. It's discontinued now, so maybe it will appear at close-out prices soon. I gotta get it before it's gone though. ;)

Thanks!

cowanrg 08-14-04 12:18 PM

i dont do overseas stuff. i will be selling mine to get the new 3910 though.

KDeering 08-19-04 01:23 AM

Most of the higher end Denon's starting with the 2200 don't have a visible layer change. Also any player using the Mediatech MPEG decoder don't have layer changes. The new Pioneer 578 uses this chip as do a lot of other cheap DVD players out there. If you use our search engine for the DVD benchmark you can get a listing of players using that chip:

database entry

Just look at Mediatech under MPEG decoders.

KDeering 08-19-04 01:25 AM

By the way, that chip also does an excellent job at PAL to NTSC conversion if you can find a way to make any of those players region free.

Easy 08-19-04 11:49 AM

Do any computer based players eliminate the layer transition? Considering the amount of memory available I suppose it would be trivial.

X 08-19-04 11:57 AM


Originally posted by Easy
Do any computer based players eliminate the layer transition? Considering the amount of memory available I suppose it would be trivial.
I don't recall ever seeing a layer transition on my HTPC.

Easy 08-19-04 12:12 PM


Originally posted by X
I don't recall ever seeing a layer transition on my HTPC.
That's what I figured. I tried a pvr-250/sage combo instead of tivo and I'm favorably impressed so I decided to do a dedicated box. Just now putting together a component list. What I see done with ffdshow swayed me too. ;) Very impressive.

renaldow 08-20-04 09:22 AM

FWIW the only players I've ever seen an actual pause on were my old Apex 600 and occasionally on my old CH 500. My Toshiba 3900 has never shown a pause, and recently I've been watching movies on a Sylvania DVD/VCR combo unit and the only thing that occurs during a transition is it shows the subtitles for about 1 second.

matome 08-27-04 10:33 AM

Back in the day when Circuit City had their DIVX DVD player firesales I picked up the Proscan model (6960?) and I never saw a layer change pause on it. I've owned much more expensive players since then, but they still have the layer change pause on them.

renaldow 08-27-04 10:57 AM

I don't believe DIVX had a layer to change to, did they?

matome 08-29-04 06:59 PM

Not sure about the DIVX layer change, since I would never have tried it, but it played regular DVD's as well and the layer change was never noticeable.

gutwrencher 09-09-04 07:53 PM

just curious...do higher priced Denon models do a better job of reading disc errors?

PrivateJoker 09-11-04 09:15 AM


Originally posted by cajun_junky
The high end Denon players have buffers. The 2900 like Brian Shannon has I believe has an 8MB buffer to practically eliminate the pause.
I'll second that. Never seen a layer-change on my 2900.


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