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Old 08-26-02, 05:26 PM
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Pioneer rack system .....converting to DD

My father calls me yesterday and asks me a question.
He owns a Pioneer rack system and it is Pro Logic.
I tell him he can still buy a DVD player,he'll just have to turn off the DD and DTS in the setup.

He then tells me he wants to rid the tower speakers,says he is building a entertainment center and would like smaller speakers.
I tell him that he wont be able to do this as the towers are his source of bass and the receiver he has does not have a sub output therefore can ruin bookshelf speakers with the low frequency.

Now the questions......
What are the options to change his system to a DD/DTS one.
I have not dealt with decoders and know little to nothing about them.

Would it be best to get one,or just buy into a new setup?
The system he has as some may know uses ribbon cords and just adding a new receiver would end up in him not being able to use the disk changer and the tape deck.

Options would be much appreciated from those who know this situation.

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Old 08-26-02, 05:39 PM
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Scrap it and start over.
Even a cheap HTIB will be fine compared to where he is now. The only thing he will lose is tape. But he will gain 5.1 and more space.

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Old 08-26-02, 05:45 PM
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Yes,I told him of HTIB as I have one that has treated me very well!
The problem is getting him to buy a new system.
The one he has is almost brand new.He bought it just before DD came out.Should have just waited I guess.
He hardly even uses it really,so the cd and tape player really don't matter.He just wants DVD and the DD sound.
Are converters bad in any way?
Are they just a waste of time?
Are they not all their cracked up to be?

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Originally posted by VHS?
Are converters bad in any way?
Are they just a waste of time?
Are they not all their cracked up to be?
Not sure what you mean by converters. My first instinct is to say they don't exist. I know of a few gizmos that accept speaker inputs and convert to dd, but they're either more expensive than the HTB solution or don't include DTS.

Considering I can't even remember the brand name of the products I'm thinking of, that should give you an idea of the impression they made on me.
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By converter I mean the converter that turns a Pro Logic receiver into a DD receiver,,,,in a way.
They have a few but are expensive and not worth it,so they used to be.
I figured by now they would be down in price.
But i think I'm going to tell my father to just start over.
If he wont,sucks to be him
He just wont be able to enjoy DD sound.
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Old 08-26-02, 06:32 PM
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Still upgrade is the direction to go. Look at an HTiB that has a good receiver that will have enough power to drive upgraded speakers if he later wants to upgrade to higher performance sound.
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Old 08-26-02, 06:40 PM
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Thanks for the info
Who would you say makes good HTIB?
I myself own the Kenwood VR-407 and it has done well for me.
I see Sony makes some but the speakers that most of them have look sorta cheesy.
Any recommendations as far as brand or just look at all of them?

I would say a price range of about $600 or less would be fine as he isn't a HT type person but would like something decent as well.
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What about just buying a new receiver? You should be able to get a nice receiver for $250 that will outperform any HTIB receiver.

How many speakers does he have?
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Old 08-26-02, 10:19 PM
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There are separate DD and DTS decoders, but you can buy a basic receiver with both for pretty cheap these days. And you will need to upgrade the speakers so that all five of the mains match size and range.
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Originally posted by skar
What about just buying a new receiver? You should be able to get a nice receiver for $250 that will outperform any HTIB receiver.

How many speakers does he have?
Thing is this.
He wants to get smaller speakers,doesn't like the towers.
So there is a receiver,pair of fronts,and a subwoofer to buy.
Thats gonna be close to the price in the end as a HTIB.

I think I'll just find him a decent HTIB.
This way no trying to match receiver with the existing speakers and all that mess.If to much hassle,he'll get impatient.
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