DVD & Home Theater Gear Discuss DVD and Home Theater Equipment.

DISH - Possible from indoors ?

Old 01-09-02, 05:19 PM
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 751
DISH - Possible from indoors ?

My rental community does not allow installation of dish on their property

Is it possible to mount the smallest possible dish on some kind of a portable stand and put it next to the window from inside, if the direction is right?

Would this work?
Are there any specific Dish for indoor use?
Could someone also explain to me about HDTV service, and how can one get it from and howmuch would it cost?

Please Help
starlights is offline  
Old 01-09-02, 05:33 PM
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,454
Yes it works, I have done it myself.

The only thing is if the windows are older, there is the possibility that the glass has lead in it and that would prevent receiving a signal.
palebluedot is offline  
Old 01-09-02, 06:19 PM
Posts: n/a
HDTV over satellite requires a box that can decode the signal (current retail price $450-1000) plus 2 LNB feeds from one bird and 2 more LNB feeds from another bird.

The easy way is to get the big oval dish which has a dual-dual LNB setup and can aim at 2 birds (aka: the "Para Todos dish"). You can also use 2 separate dishes assuming they both have dual LNBs and aim them at their respective birds - this may be preferable if you wish to salvage an existing dish.

The resultant HDTV satellite setup will total 4 coax cables coming out, which go into a combiner. You'll also want to get an OTA (aka: "off-air") antenna to receive local HDTV broadcasts if they are available in your area, or if you want local normal channels that are not part of your satellite lineup. OTA coax can also go into the combiner.

If you have to buy all this stuff, you're looking at nearly a grand after tax installed unless you opt for a decoder other than the RCA-100, in which case you will pay a few hundred bucks more. The RCA-100 is inexpensive for a reason: many people are not happy with that box.

Oh yeah, you do have an HDTV already, don't ya?

Last edited by Gomez; 01-09-02 at 06:23 PM.
Old 01-09-02, 08:23 PM
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 417
We used to live in Condo style appartments. The lease refused the right of a tenent to install a dish. This is agaist FCC rules.

The landlord does not have the right to refuse instalation if you have an exclusive use area in which to install it. A number of tennents did end up installing a satelite dish.



The following from the FCC website may be of interest.

Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to prohibit restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit.

Q: Does the rule apply to condominiums or apartment buildings if the antenna is installed so that it hangs over or protrudes beyond the balcony railing or patio wall?

A: No. The rule does not prohibit restrictions on antennas installed beyond the balcony or patio of a condominium or apartment unit if such installation is in, on, or over a common area. An antenna that extends out beyond the balcony or patio is usually considered to be in a common area that is not within the scope of the rule. Therefore, the rule does not apply to a condominium or rental apartment unit unless the antenna is installed wholly within the exclusive use area, such as the balcony or patio.

Q: Does the fact that management or the association has the right to enter these areas mean that the resident does not have exclusive use?

A: No. The fact that the building management or the association may enter an area for the purpose of inspection and/or repair does not mean that the resident does not have exclusive use of that area. Likewise, if the landlord or association regulates other uses of the exclusive use area (e.g., banning grills on balconies), that does not affect the viewer's rights under the Commission's rule. This rule permits persons to install antennas on property over which the person has either exclusive use or exclusive control. Note, too, that nothing in this rule changes the landlord's or association's right to regulate use of exclusive use areas for other purposes. For example, if the lease prohibits antennas and flags on balconies, only the prohibition of antennas is eliminated by this rule; flags would still be prohibited.

Q: Does the rule apply to residents of rental property?

A: Yes. Effective January 22, 1999, renters may install antennas within their leasehold, which means inside the dwelling or on outdoor areas that are part of the tenant's leased space and which are under the exclusive use or control of the tenant. Typically, for apartments, these areas include balconies, balcony railings, and terraces. For rented single family homes or manufactured homes which sit on rented property, these areas include the home itself and patios, yards, gardens or other similar areas. If renters do not have access to these outside areas, the tenant may install the antenna inside the rental unit. Renters are not required to obtain the consent of the landlord prior to installing an antenna in these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof or the exterior walls of an apartment building. Generally, balconies or patios that are shared with other people or are accessible from other units are not considered to be exclusive use areas.

Q: Are there restrictions that may be placed on residents of rental property?

A: Yes. A restriction necessary to prevent damage to leased property may be reasonable. For example, tenants could be prohibited from drilling holes through exterior walls or through the roof. However, a restriction designed to prevent ordinary wear and tear (e.g., marks, scratches, and minor damage to carpets, walls and draperies) would likely not be reasonable provided the antenna is installed wholly within the antenna user's own exclusive use area.

In addition, rental property is subject to the same protection and exceptions to the rule as owned property. Thus, a landlord may impose other types of restrictions that do not impair installation, maintenance or use under the rule. The landlord may also impose restrictions necessary for safety or historic preservation.

Q: If I live in a condominium, cooperative, or other type of residence where certain areas have been designated as "common," do these rules apply to me?

A: The rules apply to residents of these types of buildings, but the rules do not permit you to install an antenna on a common area, such as a walkway, hallway, community garden, exterior wall or the roof. However, you may install the antenna wholly within a balcony, deck, patio, or other area where you have exclusive use.

Drilling through an exterior wall, e.g. to run the cable from the patio into the unit, is generally not within the protection of the rule because the exterior wall is generally a common element. You may wish to check with your retailer or installer for advice on how to install the antenna without drilling a hole. Alternatively, your landlord or association may grant permission for you to drill such a hole. The Commission's rules generally do not cover installations if you drill through a common element.
btbrossard is offline  
Old 01-10-02, 12:29 AM
Posts: n/a
Way to cite the law, btbrossard! Now that's what the Internet's all about - folks like you who keep others from stupid opression!!!
Old 01-10-02, 01:06 AM
X's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 1987
Location: AA-
Posts: 10,740
Originally posted by Gomez
Way to cite the law, btbrossard! Now that's what the Internet's all about - folks like you who keep others from stupid opression!!!
Here's some smart oppression you need to take note of: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=172324
X is offline  
Old 01-10-02, 09:58 AM
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 751
Thanks Guys!!

Hey Thanks a million guys.....you guys really helped !

Let me bump into my property owners armed with all this info

BTW, Is there a smaller or portable dish specifically designed for indoor use?


PS - Gomez, I 'm planning to pick up PANAS 47WX 49 next month.....will need help in tweaking it up from you !!

Last edited by starlights; 01-10-02 at 10:19 AM.
starlights is offline  
Old 01-10-02, 10:24 AM
Posts: n/a
Originally posted by X
Here's some smart oppression you need to take note of: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=172324
OK, I panned-and-scanned my signature for you. Happy? Long live OCS ("Original Content Signatures")!!! LOL

Attn: "starlights"

I'd be happy to help you tweak your Panasonic 47", and hope you are as pleased with it as I am with mine. After a little work the set looks almost startling, even on analog CATV (the stations with a strong signal). Progressive scan DVD often looks better than in the theater, no lie.

There is a web site dedicated to discussions on this particular model at www.panny.tv and you'll find a lot of good information and intelligent discussion there.

Good tweaks include:
- SVM disabling
- electronic focus optimization
- 64-point convergence
- user-level adjustments using AVIA, VE or THX optimization
- "Red push fix" is also popular, although I personally did not care for the result and returned these particular adjustments back to the defaults

The set is low enough in price now compared to the competition that a professional ISF calibration added to the purchase price will still keep you under two grand, and this will bypass you doing the tweaks yourself. I had fun doing it all myself, though, and if you're a hands-on sort of person I believe you will, too.

Last edited by Gomez; 01-10-02 at 10:40 AM.

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.