Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
06-21-18, 11:50 AM
#126
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I guess I don't see it that way, so long there's some sort of explanation or rationale as to the swerve. I guess it's weird to me to expect and demand predictability in these kind of stories, since i'm generally ok with things not going as planned when reading or watching any form of media.
If Scott/Jean don't get married because Jean died (again) in some form, i'd probably understand. I guess that's just me. I may not pay as much attention to X-Men the last 5+ years, but they're still my favorite comic book property so it's not from lack of knowledge or investment in these characters either. Maybe i'm just more understanding then the more "hardcore" comic fan (which I've always assumed, since hey I LOVE the 90's X-Men)
If Scott/Jean don't get married because Jean died (again) in some form, i'd probably understand. I guess that's just me. I may not pay as much attention to X-Men the last 5+ years, but they're still my favorite comic book property so it's not from lack of knowledge or investment in these characters either. Maybe i'm just more understanding then the more "hardcore" comic fan (which I've always assumed, since hey I LOVE the 90's X-Men)
06-21-18, 12:10 PM
#127
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I guess I don't see it that way, so long there's some sort of explanation or rationale as to the swerve. I guess it's weird to me to expect and demand predictability in these kind of stories, since i'm generally ok with things not going as planned when reading or watching any form of media.
If Scott/Jean don't get married because Jean died (again) in some form, i'd probably understand. I guess that's just me. I may not pay as much attention to X-Men the last 5+ years, but they're still my favorite comic book property so it's not from lack of knowledge or investment in these characters either. Maybe i'm just more understanding then the more "hardcore" comic fan
If Scott/Jean don't get married because Jean died (again) in some form, i'd probably understand. I guess that's just me. I may not pay as much attention to X-Men the last 5+ years, but they're still my favorite comic book property so it's not from lack of knowledge or investment in these characters either. Maybe i'm just more understanding then the more "hardcore" comic fan
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06-21-18, 12:23 PM
#128
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Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Reading Fujishig's explanation helps so - so the Mr and Mrs X development is totally out of the blue? I haven't been following X-men up to date but it did seem like this was a misplaced 'blast from the past.' One of the best parts about Mrs X was her romantic ambivalence and inability to get close to people.
The romantic friction between Jean Grey and Cyclops was so paramount to the X-men for so long that other marriages/romances still seem like a pail formulaic imitation. I cannot decide if it's refreshing Marvel did not draw the Mr and Mrs X one out for month/years or disappointing. I think the 'romance' in X-men comics lends itself to good character development but when it becomes too central feels off brand.
I agree it's nice to see Marvel giving the X-men and Fantastic Four more focus.
The romantic friction between Jean Grey and Cyclops was so paramount to the X-men for so long that other marriages/romances still seem like a pail formulaic imitation. I cannot decide if it's refreshing Marvel did not draw the Mr and Mrs X one out for month/years or disappointing. I think the 'romance' in X-men comics lends itself to good character development but when it becomes too central feels off brand.
I agree it's nice to see Marvel giving the X-men and Fantastic Four more focus.
06-21-18, 12:41 PM
#129
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Reading Fujishig's explanation helps so - so the Mr and Mrs X development is totally out of the blue? I haven't been following X-men up to date but it did seem like this was a misplaced 'blast from the past.' One of the best parts about Mrs X was her romantic ambivalence and inability to get close to people.
The romantic friction between Jean Grey and Cyclops was so paramount to the X-men for so long that other marriages/romances still seem like a pail formulaic imitation. I cannot decide if it's refreshing Marvel did not draw the Mr and Mrs X one out for month/years or disappointing. I think the 'romance' in X-men comics lends itself to good character development but when it becomes too central feels off brand.
I agree it's nice to see Marvel giving the X-men and Fantastic Four more focus.
The romantic friction between Jean Grey and Cyclops was so paramount to the X-men for so long that other marriages/romances still seem like a pail formulaic imitation. I cannot decide if it's refreshing Marvel did not draw the Mr and Mrs X one out for month/years or disappointing. I think the 'romance' in X-men comics lends itself to good character development but when it becomes too central feels off brand.
I agree it's nice to see Marvel giving the X-men and Fantastic Four more focus.
06-21-18, 01:01 PM
#130
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Plus, why wouldn't Marvel want to advertise that their couple of the 90's was getting married to you know, sell some books? I was never excited about the wedding of Peter and Kitty. Seems like a foolish way to sell comics when you're bleeding readers month in and month out.
06-21-18, 01:06 PM
#131
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I suspect doing it this way helps it to go viral, since they leaked this to mainstream press before the issue came out (which is crappy for comic book fans as well). I mean we didn't even mention the Kitty/Colossus stuff here until I was nerd outraged, so I guess that works.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
06-21-18, 02:20 PM
#132
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Still fine to me (and yeah, actually realistic situation to me), but again I've never been the type of comic reader that raged over some of the other things I see people care about.
I should say, I can see why fans would be perturbed, but the "omg fuck Marvel!" type of stuff seems silly to me.
I should say, I can see why fans would be perturbed, but the "omg fuck Marvel!" type of stuff seems silly to me.
06-21-18, 02:41 PM
#133
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I suspect doing it this way helps it to go viral, since they leaked this to mainstream press before the issue came out (which is crappy for comic book fans as well). I mean we didn't even mention the Kitty/Colossus stuff here until I was nerd outraged, so I guess that works.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
06-21-18, 02:46 PM
#134
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Has there ever been an individual X-Character comic that did sell well outside of the obvious Wolverine/Cable/Deadpool comics?
06-21-18, 03:03 PM
#135
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
That's too bad. The creative team seems top notch and I guess I figured the publicity would help people be drawn to the book, especially the fans of the relationship. That helps it stand out a little more than yet another X-character comic that will end up going nowhere fast (which is why they did it). I mean, even as a fan of Kitty I'll admit a Gambit/Rogue book is a lot more attractive than a Kitty/Colossus one.
I am curious what they'll replace Blue and Gold with (I realize they have Red).
I am curious what they'll replace Blue and Gold with (I realize they have Red).
06-21-18, 09:08 PM
#136
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
That's too bad. The creative team seems top notch and I guess I figured the publicity would help people be drawn to the book, especially the fans of the relationship. That helps it stand out a little more than yet another X-character comic that will end up going nowhere fast (which is why they did it). I mean, even as a fan of Kitty I'll admit a Gambit/Rogue book is a lot more attractive than a Kitty/Colossus one.
I am curious what they'll replace Blue and Gold with (I realize they have Red).
I am curious what they'll replace Blue and Gold with (I realize they have Red).
06-22-18, 12:22 PM
#137
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I suspect doing it this way helps it to go viral, since they leaked this to mainstream press before the issue came out (which is crappy for comic book fans as well). I mean we didn't even mention the Kitty/Colossus stuff here until I was nerd outraged, so I guess that works.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
It is dumb, though, considering they had a new series coming out featuring these characters and they had to hide all info about it until just now, so now comic retailers have to scramble to adjust their orders.
I'd be furious if DC pulled this kind of bait-and-switch on the Batman wedding.
06-23-18, 02:00 AM
#138
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Gambit was originally a mysterious character, morally gray, and that made him interesting. He was supposed to be revealed as a villain, sent by Mr. Sinister to infiltrate the X-Men. But he was so popular they kept him as a regular, and he became boring in my eyes.
Gambit and Rogue getting married is like Daphne and Niles getting together.
That is what makes me loathe Marvel Comics today. They write their stories for what will generate the most publicity in the press. It's the most cynically run entertainment company in the world...
I'd be furious if DC pulled this kind of bait-and-switch on the Batman wedding.
I'd be furious if DC pulled this kind of bait-and-switch on the Batman wedding.
But the way it was written according to the spoiler mentioned earlier...that sounds like some bullshit.
What makes a good character or a good story gets secondary consideration to what will go viral on the internet.
They did the "The Death of Superman" to get headlines, then followed it up with "The Return of Superman." Prior to that they had 1-900-DECIDE-IF-ROBIN-GETS-MURDERED. Jason Todd, out of nowhere, becomes a reckless killer.
Those were very poorly written stories that didn't make too much sense.
And DC too is trying to go viral with Batman and Catwoman getting married.
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06-23-18, 02:26 AM
#139
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
That is what makes me loathe Marvel Comics today. They write their stories for what will generate the most publicity in the press. It's the most cynically run entertainment company in the world. What makes a good character or a good story gets secondary consideration to what will go viral on the internet.
I'd be furious if DC pulled this kind of bait-and-switch on the Batman wedding.
I'd be furious if DC pulled this kind of bait-and-switch on the Batman wedding.
06-23-18, 05:55 AM
#140
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
06-23-18, 04:37 PM
#141
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
I mean, Superman did die, Batman did get his back broken, etc. if it didn't happen or got reversed in that same issue, it would be analogous to this.
Like I fully expected some shenanigans would break the happy couple apart eventually, but I thought it would at least take a new writer coming on in a year or two, not what seem s like editorial interference dictating hat this be changed.
Similar in happened with the whole cyclops is a mutant hitler thing. They did a long delayed series to play back what had happened in the past after referring to it for a long time and it turned out to not make any sense. Why? What the heck is x editorial doing?
Like I fully expected some shenanigans would break the happy couple apart eventually, but I thought it would at least take a new writer coming on in a year or two, not what seem s like editorial interference dictating hat this be changed.
Similar in happened with the whole cyclops is a mutant hitler thing. They did a long delayed series to play back what had happened in the past after referring to it for a long time and it turned out to not make any sense. Why? What the heck is x editorial doing?
06-24-18, 01:49 AM
#142
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Just the idea of Batman marrying Catwoman seems out of character unless we're talking Golden/Silver Age or Elseworlds. But if it's really a good story I'll check it out.
The Death of Superman seemed like every issue was just Doomsday and Superman punching each other while causing city damage. Alan Moore did the same thing, so much better, in a single issue of Miracleman.
Last edited by brayzie; 06-24-18 at 01:55 AM.
06-24-18, 06:48 AM
#143
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Really?
Just the idea of Batman marrying Catwoman seems out of character unless we're talking Golden/Silver Age or Elseworlds. But if it's really a good story I'll check it out.
Yeah, that's a big difference, but to me, they all seem like forced conclusions, just that one occurred in a single issue apparently, and the other two were dragged out over, like, 20 issues. All done to get headlines.
The Death of Superman seemed like every issue was just Doomsday and Superman punching each other while causing city damage. Alan Moore did the same thing, so much better, in a single issue of Miracleman.
Just the idea of Batman marrying Catwoman seems out of character unless we're talking Golden/Silver Age or Elseworlds. But if it's really a good story I'll check it out.
Yeah, that's a big difference, but to me, they all seem like forced conclusions, just that one occurred in a single issue apparently, and the other two were dragged out over, like, 20 issues. All done to get headlines.
The Death of Superman seemed like every issue was just Doomsday and Superman punching each other while causing city damage. Alan Moore did the same thing, so much better, in a single issue of Miracleman.
07-22-18, 02:28 PM
#144
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Marvel Comics announces line-wide relaunch ‘Fresh Start’.
Finally!
Marvel Comics Presents... Uncanny X-Men
The legendary series returns this November.
The legendary series returns this November.
07-22-18, 10:26 PM
#145
DVD Talk Legend
