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I always kind of took that incident as

Q: is Knightfall considered canon in the new 52?

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In the end it doesn't matter, as all of this has basically gone away in the New 52.

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Morrison's pre-New 52 run is still canon in the New 52. A Death in the Family almost certainly is as well.


I don't think so, but I'm not positive. The only two things that are definitely still canon in the New 52 are Morrison's Batman and Johns' Green Lantern.

Batman Year One is gone, replaced by Snyder's Zero Year. A Lonely Place of Dying is also gone, replaced by Teen Titans #0 which gave a completely different Tim Drake origin.

A Death in the Family is likely still canon since Red Hood & The Outlaws #0 didn't contradict it. Joker still beat Jason Todd with a crowbar and blew him up.

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I think i read somewhere that Knightfall and Death of Superman is still canon.

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Some version of those events happened in the new 52, but they definitely didn't occur in the exact way they originally unfolded. DC basically leaves themselves an out if a future writer wants to do something else.

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Death of Superman is not canon. Superboy, Steel, Eradicator, and Cyborg Supes were all deliberately given brand new origins because it's not canon.

Doomsday was also re-introduced back in the Villains Month with a completely new origin. There is storyarc called Doomed coming this spring/summer which is supposedly going to be a re-imagining of the Death of Superman storyarc.

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this.

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This is the correct answer.

I've read some things that said Final Crisis isn't in continuity anymore, so we don't know why Bruce went away and why Dick put on the costume for a while. It just happened until some writer bothers to clean up the story.

Batman in the New 52 probably would have been close to a total reboot if not for Morrison still being allowed to finish Batman Inc. All the New 52 has done is muddied the waters on Batman continuity.

So events have happened in the past as we generally know them, but until specific details are referenced then it's not officially in New 52 continuity.

For example, does Cassandra Cain still exist? As a version of Batgirl? As Black Bat? As someone else? She was in pre-New 52 Batman Inc. but hasn't appeared in the New 52. So one day a Batman writer could easily bring her back in from her last Pre-New 52 Batman Inc. appearance, or they might just totally reboot the character, or maybe the character just doesn't exist anymore. The latter two options nullify her existence in Pre-New 52 Batman Inc. as far as continuity goes, but obviously don't nullify the entire Pre-New 52 Batman Inc.

Did No Man's Land happen? Did Knightfall happen? Yes? Maybe? But probably not as we originally read the events.

In some ways I'm surprised DC hasn't launched a "Batman Events" title. They could easily condense and re-write major Batman events in mini or maxi series for the New 52 continuity. But I guess that risks cannibalizing sales of those new editions of the back issues they've put out and confusing new readers even more.

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Isn't it pretty obvious at this point that they're playing it all by ear? With as much editorial interference as there seems to be at DC, you'd think they'd have a more cohesive master plan, or at least a pretense of one.

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A version of the Death of Superman was originally canon for Morrison's Action Comics arc as they mentioned several times the day Superman died. But since Time was being compressed during the last portion of that storyline, it's probably subjective now. The past event could have taken place in the future (i.e., the upcoming Doomed arc).

Also, at the start of the New52, Dan DiDio said at a convention that the Death of Superman still happened. After several months of being asked how it all fit into the new continuity (along with things like the Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, etc), DiDio gave his famous "Brace yourself, but after further review, there have been no Crisis events in the New DCU." comment.

He giveth. He taketh away.

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They said a lot of things in the beginning that have been changed. They originally said Batman's history would be completely intact. That obviously changed with Zero Month where all the Robins got brand new origins that retconned stories like A Lonely Place of Dying. Batman Year One is currently being retconned with Snyder's Zero Year.

The real truth is DC has no real long term plan. They are clearly making this up as they go.

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One thing that I found confusing was the Batman/Superman story about Supergirl done by Michael Turner (made for video as Apocalypse). It re-introduces Supergirl, yet it alludes to Superman's death as Doomsday makes a cameo. In the Death of Superman storyline, a version of Supergirl (though not the cousin version) did make an appearance. Starting to feel like Austin Powers. ;)

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Ah yes, Matrix as Supergirl. I felt the character was always a deep affront to the Superman legacy and the lamest way possible to keep Superman around as the only living Kryptonian.

Not that I would know of such things but I've heard there are some highly speculative fan fiction stories featuring Matrix's ability to change shape into any person for erotic purposes.:eek:

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I liked Matrix Supergirl. I grew up reading Byrne's Superman, so she is "my" Supergirl, just like Wally is "my" Flash and Kyle is "my" Green Lantern.

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Absolutely. Every writer who has left DC after the New 52 has complained about last minute editor interference. Things are changed on a whim instead of being planned out nowadays.

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Gail Simone has broken the news that DC is canceling The Movement. They are, however, going to give the book a full twelve issues and a collected edition, so at least it'll have the chance for a proper finale. I'm disappointed, but I understand that the sales have been consistently low since launch.

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Trying to follow what's canon and not is quite a challenge in comics nowadays. :)

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This is the same thing DC did with the post-Crisis DCU in the 80s. It was a soft/half-assed reboot where some history was dumped and other history was kept, and some was changed. And there's no real bible of guide in place, so everything is at the whims of the editors and creators.

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Well, pre-Crisis Supergirl will always be "my" Supergirl, but I thought Peter David did an excellent job making Matrix into her own character (even adopting the terrible bellyshirt from the animated series near the end), working in a bunch of silver age references, which was then completely thrown away when they brought back angsty, semi-evil Supergirl. This new, Michael Turner created Supergirl had a past so convoluted that in a single issue they wiped out pretty much everything that had been revealed about her past to that point, blaming the bad plot points on kryptonite poisoning.

On a side note, as someone who grew up with those specific characters, how did you feel when DC, even pre-new-52, put them all out to pasture. Matrix Supergirl disappeared, Wally took a back seat to Barry, Kyle took a back seat to Hal, Byrne's krypton got replaced, all in an effort to bring the pre-Crisis age back, down to completely destroying the happy ending for Golden Age Supes, Lois, Superboy and Alexander Luthor. I mean hey, I liked that they brought back the Legion but it just wasn't the same, somehow.

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They should have all been kept around in a multiverse at the same time. I understand why DC didn't want to do that, entrenched fans would be unlikely to pick up the new characters if their old favorites were hanging around in another book.

DC should really have a couple of Silver Age continuity books running at any time, not to mention a couple of other older universes. Today's comic fans are infinitely more sophisticated and could juggle parallel worlds with ease.

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In this day and age how can the conclusion of their main crossover title be delayed by two months?

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Civil War #7 was delayed twice. Marvel pushed a lot of the tie-ins back as well. It happens.

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Dick Grayson's post-Forever Evil fate is revealed

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/di...d/1100-148527/

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Uh... April Fools? Wait what day is it?