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Rob Liefeld (or Sal Buscema?!?!?!?!) - Worst comic book artist ever?

Old 02-11-08, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I think this is a lot better than the other art we've seen in this thread. The hands and feet of the main figure are good. The gun is actually in his hand. His back isn't broken.
That's only because it's really early Liefeld from DC and he most likely had his pencils fixed by the inker. There's stories of how Karl Kessel re-did about 75% of Liefeld's pencils when he inked them for Hawk & Dove.
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Old 02-11-08, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fujishig
Steve Epting has been around for a while, but for some reason I thought his run on Avengers was very plain... when I picked up his work in Crossgen, it had improved a lot.
I agree, and I didn't care for his work on Avengers either, but he has improved a great deal - especially during his Captain America run, and now I really dig his stuff. He just had to get motivated by the right material.
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Old 02-11-08, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ChristopherS
And for the poster that said the Image art was simply trendy and looks dated like anything else- look at the artwork of someone like John Byrne from the 70's. Still looks like fantastic art. Only clothing styles on characters are going to give anything away. Just one example.
Word. And add to that list George Perez, Neal Adams, Paul Smith, and a host of others. How man of today's artists will still be relevant 30-40 years from now?
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Old 02-11-08, 02:10 PM
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Despite the whole Image era and the unfortunate glut of similar artists that brought us, there are a great number of artists today that I think will stand the test of time. From the more cartoony/animated-style artists like McGuinness, Weiringo, Jeff Smith and Sprouse, to the more realistic artists like Hitch, McNiven and Cassaday (man, where did this guy come from before Planetary?). I just read Avengers: Illuminati, and while it's not as flashy as some artists, Jim Cheung does great work.
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Old 02-11-08, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
I was telling a friend at work about this thread and the linked site and he said how much he hated Liefeld on X-Force and also was telling me to check out Liefeld's site. Which is how I found this one...


I swear he draws the noses on all men exactly the same, regardless of who they are. And I could post more examples from his site to show that, but check out the two drawings down in the lower left....Long haired guy has the SAME chest proportion as the Captain America drawing I posted earlier. He STILL has not learned how to draw chests, and it's surprising considering the sheer amount of gay porn he draws inspiration from. And that woman's back??? WHOLLY CRAP! See a chiropractor, babe! I am no doctor, but I know a spine isn't supposed to bend at a sharp angle like that in the middle of your back! OUCH!!!!

And please don't give me it's for exaggeration or whatever...it still should somewhat follow the rules of human anatomy. And this drawing does not.
His male faces kinda look like Rob himself.
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Old 02-11-08, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChristopherS
His male faces kinda look like Rob himself.
Wow...you're right. I looked at an image of him I found on google, and his nose looks similar to how he's been drawing them on all the guys he draws.
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Old 02-11-08, 08:36 PM
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Doesn't he have some weird technique where he draws thumbnails on post-its and just blows them up to 11by17 to be inked?
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Old 02-11-08, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
I was telling a friend at work about this thread and the linked site and he said how much he hated Liefeld on X-Force and also was telling me to check out Liefeld's site. Which is how I found this one...


I swear he draws the noses on all men exactly the same, regardless of who they are. And I could post more examples from his site to show that, but check out the two drawings down in the lower left....Long haired guy has the SAME chest proportion as the Captain America drawing I posted earlier. He STILL has not learned how to draw chests, and it's surprising considering the sheer amount of gay porn he draws inspiration from. And that woman's back??? WHOLLY CRAP! See a chiropractor, babe! I am no doctor, but I know a spine isn't supposed to bend at a sharp angle like that in the middle of your back! OUCH!!!!

And please don't give me it's for exaggeration or whatever...it still should somewhat follow the rules of human anatomy. And this drawing does not.
Anyone notice that some of the faces of the characters that he draws resemble himself? Look at the grey haired guy in the bottom right fof the Galactica book. Some of the other drawiing on the earlier link too. Look at the su=quinty eyes in those pics.
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Originally Posted by movieguru
Anyone notice that some of the faces of the characters that he draws resemble himself?
Yeah...ChristopherS pointed it out.
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Old 02-11-08, 11:28 PM
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I bought the 1st issues of Heroes Reborn but besides that the only Liefield stuff I ever bought was his BSG stuff. I was just so hungry for anything to do with that classic show. Oh and I guess I did buy those Teen Titans issues a couple of years ago. I have to say though, I had stopped reading Marvel by the time he got popular and didnt even notice any of that BS thank god.
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Old 02-11-08, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dadaluholla
http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

Check out this breakdown of his 40 worst drawings if you need to review some of his work before making a decision.
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Old 02-12-08, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
And that woman's back??? WHOLLY CRAP! See a chiropractor, babe! I am no doctor, but I know a spine isn't supposed to bend at a sharp angle like that in the middle of your back! OUCH!!!!

And please don't give me it's for exaggeration or whatever...it still should somewhat follow the rules of human anatomy. And this drawing does not.
He learned anatomy with Michael Turner.

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Yeah, but at least Turner's stuff is much more..ahem...pleasing to the eye!
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Originally Posted by Cathepsin
He learned anatomy with Michael Turner.

WHAAAAAAAAA??? Somebody who draws comics draws big boobs???

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Old 02-12-08, 05:16 PM
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Well, Power Girl is SUPPOSED to look like that!

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Old 02-12-08, 11:23 PM
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Yeah I still dig Travis Charest work, but its too far and few between.

The new issue of X-Force has a cover by him on it - comes out tomorrow. I'm going to take a hit on it... just as long as they dont jack up the price. I hate that shit!

I found the best single issue artwork done by Charest was X-Men/Wildcats... beautiful work!
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Old 02-13-08, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by True_Story1011
Yeah I still dig Travis Charest work, but its too far and few between.

The new issue of X-Force has a cover by him on it - comes out tomorrow. I'm going to take a hit on it... just as long as they dont jack up the price. I hate that shit!

I found the best single issue artwork done by Charest was X-Men/Wildcats... beautiful work!
I've always thought his stuff was amazing. I've been out of the comic scene for a few years now, not that that matters, but anyway.

I found this Liefeld link a few weeks back, probably from wiki...funny shit, thanks for posting
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Old 02-13-08, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
WHAAAAAAAAA??? Somebody who draws comics draws big boobs???

It isn't so much the boobs, which are enormous, but look at the neck. And the waist. And the position of the boobs on the chest.
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Old 02-13-08, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ytrez
It isn't so much the boobs, which are enormous, but look at the neck. And the waist. And the position of the boobs on the chest.
Let's face it: most of these comic book babes would need medical attention if they existed in the real world as is. Their tiny waists are never enough to support what's on top.
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Old 02-13-08, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
Let's face it: most of these comic book babes would need medical attention if they existed in the real world as is. Their tiny waists are never enough to support what's on top.
I think most of the guys would need medical attention too, with the oversized muscles and tiny (or in Rob's case, nonexistant/hidden) feet.

I remember as a kid reading Valiant's Harbinger, with Zephyr being overweight, and thinking to myself when is she going to slim down like on the cover?
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Old 02-13-08, 09:48 PM
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I remember when Rob plagarized every panel of an issue of The Teen Titans drawn by George Perez. It was an issue of New Mutants---or was that X-Force? It's been so long I can't remember.

He said it was a homage after there was a big uproar about it---yeah right. So, why wasn't Perez's name on it?

Leifield is the worst artist ever.
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Old 02-14-08, 11:05 AM
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I remember being a huge X-Men fan around the time Liefeld's New Mutants was big and hating the issues of his crap I had to buy for the X-tinction Agenda crossover. My friends and I all became huge Image fans as well (I still like a lot of McFarlane's stuff too). I feel good saying that I always hated Liefeld's crap. I remember my friends gushing over Liefeld and showing me this cover:

I remember trying to explain to him why it was such crap, but I don't think he could get over the size of their boobs.
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Hey, I remember that artist... I hate his drawing. I was collecting The Amazing Spiderman faithful till he took over, I stopped collect it. And he still drawing??
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Old 02-17-08, 10:17 AM
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I've only scanned the thread, but have we actually gone 3 pages with no one bringing up the fact that Liefeld coped other people's artwork, sometimes down to the exact frame layout over the pages? One of the best examples was a 2 page spread from Ronin that Liefeld stole frame-by-frame for one of the last New Mutants issues.

In terms of worse (but not as successful) artists out there, there was a guy named John Bergerud that worked for Anubis Comics or Anubis Press or something stupid like that. I think he did a book called "Godhead" back in the early 90's. He had several of his sketches featured in Wizard's cover gallery or whatever it was called back then.

Bergerud's swipes were even more obvious than Rob's. When John did it, you could actually see the changing of styles from page to page. You'd look at one sequence and say "oh, that's Jim Lee." Then you'd turn the page and say "oh, that's Tim Vigil" (who reportedly swiped most of his poses from porn mags).

At a convention, Vigil had examples of John's work, and showed me where it was taken from O'Barr, Vigil, Lee and others. Being a wannabe artist at the time, I asked John why he did this, and his writing partner Tammy Van Atta fucking flipped out on me, screaming that she worked for the FBI and how if I repeated those accusations she'd come after me, etc. I got a good laugh, called her a psycho bitch and moved on. Amazingly enough, John and Tammy didn't do much more in the comics industry.
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