comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
#76
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
If you are wanting to save on shipping all the books have to be shipped back to you at the same time. If some are pressed and some are not or if you are using different tiers of grading, they may break the shipping into multiple packages. If I recall pressing was around $15 per book for most books that aren't extremely expensive like Amazing Fantasy #15 or Hulk #181. Shipping just 2 books would likely be over $30 if shipped seperately, so you may as well press those too so they could be shipped together at the same time. There is a chart somewhere on the CGC website that has a chart for the shipping options. They ship everything certified and registered which makes it cost more. The higher value you claim the books are worth, the more expensive the shipping is because they'll insure it for the value you claim. Judging from what they charge, they are marking up the shipping costs by maybe 30-50% and are making a profit from that as well.
#77
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I think they also have a prescreening option for pressing for maybe about $5 where they'll decide if pressing will be worthwhile or not. If they decide it's worthwhile they will apply the cost of the prescreening fee toward the cost of the pressing.
#78
DVD Talk Legend
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Movieguru - my one pressing cost $60! I don't know if the rates went up, or if it was based on my estimated value. But for that price, I don't plan on having anything else pressed.
#79
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
It was the Amazing Spider-Man #121 with the death of Gwen Stacy. The grading notes listed non color breaking stress lines on the spine which weren't there when I dropped it off. Ihaven't used CGC's pressing service, but I'd assume they are better since it's done in house and they know what they need to do to to improve the grade and I'm sure they have done a larger volume than most other pressers. The key thing to look for is non colorbreaking defects. Pressing can fix color breaks. or veining.
I had CGC grade my Spider-man #300 that I dropped off to them during the Baltimore Comic Con. I didn't use pressing for that one because I could see no defects it could improve with pressing. The only defect I saw was on the bottom of the spine where it just had a slight extra bit of paper attached to it that wasn't cut off during the printing process. It graded out at the top of my estimate. I knew it was at least a 9.6 with the potential for a 9.8. I got a 9.8 with white pages.
I had CGC grade my Spider-man #300 that I dropped off to them during the Baltimore Comic Con. I didn't use pressing for that one because I could see no defects it could improve with pressing. The only defect I saw was on the bottom of the spine where it just had a slight extra bit of paper attached to it that wasn't cut off during the printing process. It graded out at the top of my estimate. I knew it was at least a 9.6 with the potential for a 9.8. I got a 9.8 with white pages.
And thank you for the education on pressing. I did note that $5 pre-screening charge. Will look into that too as I'm not entirely sure a handful of them would. even benefit.
Originally Posted by movieguru
If you are wanting to save on shipping all the books have to be shipped back to you at the same time. If some are pressed and some are not or if you are using different tiers of grading, they may break the shipping into multiple packages. If I recall pressing was around $15 per book for most books that aren't extremely expensive like Amazing Fantasy #15 or Hulk #181. Shipping just 2 books would likely be over $30 if shipped seperately, so you may as well press those too so they could be shipped together at the same time. There is a chart somewhere on the CGC website that has a chart for the shipping options. They ship everything certified and registered which makes it cost more. The higher value you claim the books are worth, the more expensive the shipping is because they'll insure it for the value you claim. Judging from what they charge, they are marking up the shipping costs by maybe 30-50% and are making a profit from that as well.
#80
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I did, but only the one book. I was going to have another slabbed only, but couldn't figure out how to submit one with pressing and one without without doubling the return shipping. I found CGC's submission forms to be non-user friendly for stuff like that.
Movieguru - my one pressing cost $60! I don't know if the rates went up, or if it was based on my estimated value. But for that price, I don't plan on having anything else pressed.
Movieguru - my one pressing cost $60! I don't know if the rates went up, or if it was based on my estimated value. But for that price, I don't plan on having anything else pressed.
$60? Wow. What is the value of the book, according to CGC?
#82
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
#83
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I had a New Mutants #98 that I sold about 5 years ago for $500. When I listed it, I said it should grade a 9.6 with the potential for a 9.8. I considered having it graded myself, but I didn't have the time and I needed the money for a Stan Lee signing. I figured I was taking a gamble that it would not grade a 9.8 and I would get more a little more for it than a 9.6 should get. The buyer was gambling that it would grade a 9.8 and he would get the book for less than it was worth The guy that bought it from me said he was going to have it graded. I asked him to let me know what it ended up being graded at. He emailed me a month later and it graded a 9.8. A lot of the time it's really a crapshoot within a 0.2 of what you are going to get and if CGC graded the exact same book over and over again without knowing it, you would not get the same grade every time.
#84
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I had a New Mutants #98 that I sold about 5 years ago for $500. When I listed it, I said it should grade a 9.6 with the potential for a 9.8. I considered having it graded myself, but I didn't have the time and I needed the money for a Stan Lee signing. I figured I was taking a gamble that it would not grade a 9.8 and I would get more a little more for it than a 9.6 should get. The buyer was gambling that it would grade a 9.8 and he would get the book for less than it was worth The guy that bought it from me said he was going to have it graded. I asked him to let me know what it ended up being graded at. He emailed me a month later and it graded a 9.8. A lot of the time it's really a crapshoot within a 0.2 of what you are going to get and if CGC graded the exact same book over and over again without knowing it, you would not get the same grade every time.
Been enjoying the CGC forums these past few days so between the comments here, and there, I'm extra-enthused about sending a 5-10 batch of books out to get pressed and/or graded. I'm also getting back into collecting -- starting with completing my run of G.I. Joes, my run of Paul Smith X-Men, and -- my ultimate goal -- a complete run of Daredevil from #1 through the Frank Miller/Klaus Jansen books. Haven't been this excited about comics in about 25 years. Thanks, guys!
#85
DVD Talk Hero
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
This thread has even me contemplating sending key issues to CGC for grading. I've never had one comic in my collection graded but own almost all of the major issues from the 80s and 90s that go for serious money in flawless condition.
I do expect the value of key issues to outpace inflation over the next decade. Superhero movies being incredibly popular has now run over a decade with no signs of slowing down, driving significant issues like the first appearance of Deadpool. They've already lasted longer than the Western's great run in the 1950s.
I do expect the value of key issues to outpace inflation over the next decade. Superhero movies being incredibly popular has now run over a decade with no signs of slowing down, driving significant issues like the first appearance of Deadpool. They've already lasted longer than the Western's great run in the 1950s.
#86
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
This thread has even me contemplating sending key issues to CGC for grading. I've never had one comic in my collection graded but own almost all of the major issues from the 80s and 90s that go for serious money in flawless condition.
I do expect the value of key issues to outpace inflation over the next decade. Superhero movies being incredibly popular has now run over a decade with no signs of slowing down, driving significant issues like the first appearance of Deadpool. They've already lasted longer than the Western's great run in the 1950s.
I do expect the value of key issues to outpace inflation over the next decade. Superhero movies being incredibly popular has now run over a decade with no signs of slowing down, driving significant issues like the first appearance of Deadpool. They've already lasted longer than the Western's great run in the 1950s.
#87
Banned
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I you haven't yet, check out the CGC forums. The TMNT #1 thread is especially fascinating because it tracks lifetime sales of graded editions of TMNT, revealing that there will always be demand for certain key issues. Between that board and this one, I'm as into comics as I've ever been.
- First appearance of a popular character
- Scarcity
- Popular character is known mainstream
- Value of the book has increased steadily in the past 20 years
- Character will most likely have several generations of followers (baby boomers, gen x, milennials)
- Classic cover
- Done by iconic artist and/or writer
The book doesn't need to have all the above qualities but at least 5 out of 7. For example, Amazing Spider-Man 300, Hulk 181 and New Mutants 98 have high print runs but have all the other characteristics I mentioned. There are books that have fleeting popularity like the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants 87, the first appearance of Gambit in Uncanny X-Men 266, the first appearance of Doomsday in Superman: Man of Steel 18 as they are modern books, characters have a cult following but not a mainstream one and they are highly printed.
#88
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I’ll burn a book before I put it in a slab. Any book in better than VG is a crime against nature.
#91
DVD Talk Hero
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I’m the same way. I treat all of the stuff I collect gently — comic books, books, records, CDs, DVDs — all of it looks brand new.
#92
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Yeah. Those issues are the ones I call historical ones. For example, Incredible Hulk 181, Amazing Spider-Man 300, New Mutants 98, Action Comics 1, Detective Comics 27, Amazing Fantasy 15, Fantastic Four 48, TMNT 1, Walking Dead 1, Marvel Spotlight 5, to say a few, are issues that have transcended from being a temporary hot ticket item to becoming historical issue. By this I mean that these issues have several factors going for them:
- First appearance of a popular character
- Scarcity
- Popular character is known mainstream
- Value of the book has increased steadily in the past 20 years
- Character will most likely have several generations of followers (baby boomers, gen x, milennials)
- Classic cover
- Done by iconic artist and/or writer
The book doesn't need to have all the above qualities but at least 5 out of 7. For example, Amazing Spider-Man 300, Hulk 181 and New Mutants 98 have high print runs but have all the other characteristics I mentioned. There are books that have fleeting popularity like the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants 87, the first appearance of Gambit in Uncanny X-Men 266, the first appearance of Doomsday in Superman: Man of Steel 18 as they are modern books, characters have a cult following but not a mainstream one and they are highly printed.
- First appearance of a popular character
- Scarcity
- Popular character is known mainstream
- Value of the book has increased steadily in the past 20 years
- Character will most likely have several generations of followers (baby boomers, gen x, milennials)
- Classic cover
- Done by iconic artist and/or writer
The book doesn't need to have all the above qualities but at least 5 out of 7. For example, Amazing Spider-Man 300, Hulk 181 and New Mutants 98 have high print runs but have all the other characteristics I mentioned. There are books that have fleeting popularity like the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants 87, the first appearance of Gambit in Uncanny X-Men 266, the first appearance of Doomsday in Superman: Man of Steel 18 as they are modern books, characters have a cult following but not a mainstream one and they are highly printed.
#93
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Yeah. Those issues are the ones I call historical ones. For example, Incredible Hulk 181, Amazing Spider-Man 300, New Mutants 98, Action Comics 1, Detective Comics 27, Amazing Fantasy 15, Fantastic Four 48, TMNT 1, Walking Dead 1, Marvel Spotlight 5, to say a few, are issues that have transcended from being a temporary hot ticket item to becoming historical issue. By this I mean that these issues have several factors going for them:
- First appearance of a popular character
- Scarcity
- Popular character is known mainstream
- Value of the book has increased steadily in the past 20 years
- Character will most likely have several generations of followers (baby boomers, gen x, milennials)
- Classic cover
- Done by iconic artist and/or writer
The book doesn't need to have all the above qualities but at least 5 out of 7. For example, Amazing Spider-Man 300, Hulk 181 and New Mutants 98 have high print runs but have all the other characteristics I mentioned. There are books that have fleeting popularity like the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants 87, the first appearance of Gambit in Uncanny X-Men 266, the first appearance of Doomsday in Superman: Man of Steel 18 as they are modern books, characters have a cult following but not a mainstream one and they are highly printed.
- First appearance of a popular character
- Scarcity
- Popular character is known mainstream
- Value of the book has increased steadily in the past 20 years
- Character will most likely have several generations of followers (baby boomers, gen x, milennials)
- Classic cover
- Done by iconic artist and/or writer
The book doesn't need to have all the above qualities but at least 5 out of 7. For example, Amazing Spider-Man 300, Hulk 181 and New Mutants 98 have high print runs but have all the other characteristics I mentioned. There are books that have fleeting popularity like the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants 87, the first appearance of Gambit in Uncanny X-Men 266, the first appearance of Doomsday in Superman: Man of Steel 18 as they are modern books, characters have a cult following but not a mainstream one and they are highly printed.
Curious as to how much the next wave of MCU movies will affect the value of "new" properties like X-Men, FF, Shang-Chi, and The Eternals. There's been an uptick in Captain Marvel prices, so wondering if it's time to gobble up issues of Master of Kung Fu.
#94
Banned
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I'm not quite sure The Walking Dead #1 is past the hot ticket phase yet. I think that one is too soon to tell. It depends on how sucessful AMC is with their ability to expand and keep the franchise going.. If the shows die out in the next few years, the price will drop.
Kicking myself for unloading Iron Fist #14 for about $20 25 or so years ago. I had bought it for a quarter from a long box about a decade prior and was feeling really good about myself for the $20 sale And for some reason I bought, and held onto all these years, ASM #298, 299, and #301-305, but never picked up #300.
Curious as to how much the next wave of MCU movies will affect the value of "new" properties like X-Men, FF, Shang-Chi, and The Eternals. There's been an uptick in Captain Marvel prices, so wondering if it's time to gobble up issues of Master of Kung Fu.
Curious as to how much the next wave of MCU movies will affect the value of "new" properties like X-Men, FF, Shang-Chi, and The Eternals. There's been an uptick in Captain Marvel prices, so wondering if it's time to gobble up issues of Master of Kung Fu.
#95
DVD Talk Legend
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Has anyone looked at cgc recently?
Went over there the other day to look into sending a stack of books in and I’m seeing that turn around for pressing and grading is running at more then 12 months.
Grading alone is hitting 7+ months for anyone who doesn’t fast track and FT is only a couple of months quicker.
There are dozens and dozens of threads on their board complaining about the long turn around times.
Even CFP the place that only presses and is highly thought of just started working on books received in June of 2021.
Hvent checked in on CBCS yet but I imagine they aren’t much better.
I haven’t necessarily slabbed some of my books for value but more for protection.
Really can’t see how anyone wants to wait over a year to get a book pressed and sealed.
Went over there the other day to look into sending a stack of books in and I’m seeing that turn around for pressing and grading is running at more then 12 months.
Grading alone is hitting 7+ months for anyone who doesn’t fast track and FT is only a couple of months quicker.
There are dozens and dozens of threads on their board complaining about the long turn around times.
Even CFP the place that only presses and is highly thought of just started working on books received in June of 2021.
Hvent checked in on CBCS yet but I imagine they aren’t much better.
I haven’t necessarily slabbed some of my books for value but more for protection.
Really can’t see how anyone wants to wait over a year to get a book pressed and sealed.
#97
DVD Talk Hero
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I wonder if they are purposely limiting the turnaround on books. The only reason people are getting their books slabbed are for investment purposes, hopefully turning a $100 book into a $1000 book or whatever. Fewer circulating CGC books, the higher the demand for existing CGC books. CGC does not want to flood the market with thousands of graded copies, it would devalue their service in the long run.
#98
DVD Talk Legend
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Both cgi and cbcs have recently raised prices.
Looks to me like these places are pricing out the regular or the little guy.
The only way to get a book back in a reasonable time frame is to do a walkthrough or express at cgc.
I dont know how this continues without books piling up even more then they are.
Dealers and rich people are paying for express and WT while the regulars are sitting in there for 12+ months.
It’s not feasible.
I only do it to protect the books but after I clear out my current credit I thinks this is it for me.
I’ll have less then 40 books slabbed.
Looks to me like these places are pricing out the regular or the little guy.
The only way to get a book back in a reasonable time frame is to do a walkthrough or express at cgc.
I dont know how this continues without books piling up even more then they are.
Dealers and rich people are paying for express and WT while the regulars are sitting in there for 12+ months.
It’s not feasible.
I only do it to protect the books but after I clear out my current credit I thinks this is it for me.
I’ll have less then 40 books slabbed.
#99
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
I’m trying to completely organize and catalog my collection, but at the rate I’m going it’s a years long process.
For now, I think I’m just going to put my most valuable books in top loaders and wait out this surge.
I have always been morally opposed to slabbing, but as I age and realize that statistically my wife will have 16 years without me, I’m thinking I should slab all the books likely to fetch $200+ or so.
For now, I think I’m just going to put my most valuable books in top loaders and wait out this surge.
I have always been morally opposed to slabbing, but as I age and realize that statistically my wife will have 16 years without me, I’m thinking I should slab all the books likely to fetch $200+ or so.
#100
Banned
Re: comic book fans...opinions on CGC? [multi-merged for new sub-forum]
Both cgi and cbcs have recently raised prices.
Looks to me like these places are pricing out the regular or the little guy.
The only way to get a book back in a reasonable time frame is to do a walkthrough or express at cgc.
I dont know how this continues without books piling up even more then they are.
Dealers and rich people are paying for express and WT while the regulars are sitting in there for 12+ months.
It’s not feasible.
I only do it to protect the books but after I clear out my current credit I thinks this is it for me.
I’ll have less then 40 books slabbed.
Looks to me like these places are pricing out the regular or the little guy.
The only way to get a book back in a reasonable time frame is to do a walkthrough or express at cgc.
I dont know how this continues without books piling up even more then they are.
Dealers and rich people are paying for express and WT while the regulars are sitting in there for 12+ months.
It’s not feasible.
I only do it to protect the books but after I clear out my current credit I thinks this is it for me.
I’ll have less then 40 books slabbed.
I’m trying to completely organize and catalog my collection, but at the rate I’m going it’s a years long process.
For now, I think I’m just going to put my most valuable books in top loaders and wait out this surge.
I have always been morally opposed to slabbing, but as I age and realize that statistically my wife will have 16 years without me, I’m thinking I should slab all the books likely to fetch $200+ or so.
For now, I think I’m just going to put my most valuable books in top loaders and wait out this surge.
I have always been morally opposed to slabbing, but as I age and realize that statistically my wife will have 16 years without me, I’m thinking I should slab all the books likely to fetch $200+ or so.
And yes, I read my books, I'm not a speculator, but to me, my collection is an investment in time and money and I now because of the books I have, it's worth pretty good money. There's no reason for me to read my first appearance of Thanos (Iron Man #55) which is in 8.5 CGC, when I can read the same issue on a reprint or trade or digitally. That book fetches over $1K in that condition, so I'll protect it.