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bishop2knight 01-18-06 07:00 AM

New Avengers, huh? Who knew?

I'm assuming they have a HC out by now?

Chew 01-18-06 07:06 AM

I'm actually liking New Avengers too. The first HC has been out a while, the second should be out in the next 2-3 weeks (at least, according to Amazon).

Chew 01-18-06 07:07 AM

Wait. I'm just noticing JWP has gone back to his original user name. I thought that sounded familiar. :lol:

bishop2knight 01-18-06 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
I'm actually liking New Avengers too. The first HC has been out a while, the second should be out in the next 2-3 weeks (at least, according to Amazon).

Any chance Marvel will put out a deluxe HC that's supersize a la Ultimate?

[Who's JWP?] :D

dadaluholla 01-18-06 08:04 AM

The only way I would ever buy Avengers again is if all things Bendis are removed. Aside from Daredevil (which somehow remained a great read), I just couldn't stomach his writing anymore. I dropped Powers around the same time too.

The first "Breakout" storyline from NA felt like that old Secret Defenders series, where they just threw random characters together with no real grasp of how to make it work. You couldn't even distinguish one character's dialogue from another. It was like a Uwe Boll film. Although that might be an insult to Uwe.

nny 01-18-06 02:11 PM

I love Bendis, but when will writers learn not to stretch themselves too thin? I saw somebody post this a couple weeks ago:

In 2005, Bendis had 1,612 pages worth of comics he's written published.

One thousand, six hundred and twelve pages. That's an average of one hundred and thirty-four pages - or just over six 22 page comics - a month.

In 2004, it was 1,638 pages.

In 2003, it was 1,460 pages.

In 2002, it was 1,368 pages.

In 2001, it was 1,176 pages.

In 2000, it was 789 pages.

MovieExchange 01-18-06 03:27 PM

Picked up my books today. Not a lot this week, mainly Infinite Crisis 4 (which gives some good explanations that tie together the 4 lead-up mini-series), All-Star Superman #2, and the two Spider-books.

After reading All-Star Superman #2, I am now convinced that Morrisson and Miller have a behind the scenes bet as to who can fuck up a classic DC character the most.

I've enjoyed most of the Spider-crossover, except for the issues written by Hudlin, who is easily writes some of the worst material I've ever read. Apparently this is his last issue of Marvel Knights Spider-Man, which can only be a good thing. The only thing I really dread about this crossover is the new costume. Wow, if the pic I saw is accurate, it looks really bad. This is Spider-Man, not Iron-Spider.

bishop2knight 01-18-06 04:42 PM

Holy crap! Who's read Gotham Central #39? What a great story. I haven't anticipated the next issue of any comic like I am for #40.

Jackskeleton 01-18-06 07:29 PM

Crisis #4 was simply amazing. I don't care how you paint the picture that was a great book and really puts me excited to get back into the crisis mood again.

MBoyd 01-18-06 07:55 PM

Just about to post similar on the subject. Nightwing and Batman in IC #4 - WOW!

MovieExchange 01-18-06 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Crisis #4 was simply amazing. I don't care how you paint the picture that was a great book and really puts me excited to get back into the crisis mood again.

Marvel should take notes on what DC is doing with Infinite Crisis and learn how to do a real crossover. Despite the fact that this is really all irrelevant and will be changed again at the whim of a new writing / editorial team, the story has been compelling, and has managed to draw on so many years of history without screwing up or mis-representing previous events.

The whole Superboy fight was amazing, as was the great moment between Batman & Nightwing.

This really has me anticipating the "One Year Later" event when it starts.

Rocketdog2000 01-18-06 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Crisis #4 was simply amazing. I don't care how you paint the picture that was a great book and really puts me excited to get back into the crisis mood again.

No kidding - god I love this series! Still trying to get an accurate count on how many
Spoiler:
Titans 'officially' bit it
in this issue. Brutal!

A good week for comics...Planetary, Nightwing, JSA Classified, Green Lantern, Flash...yeah lots of goodies to read.

nny 01-19-06 12:14 AM

IC 4 was great. Big improvement from the disappointing number 3. The only problem I had was with some of the SB stuff.

Spoiler:
The people he killed didn't have the impact they should've had considering the whole big plan of the series is that SB and Alex want to destroy the current version of everybody on Earth. I realize it's much easier to kill everybody with a magic machine than to put a fist through somebody's skull, but still it's a little ridiculous to get upset over some bloodshed. It also kinda sucked considering I'm more familiar with the characters he took down through the TT cartoon than from any comic.

Rogue588 01-19-06 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Crisis #4 was simply amazing.

A-fuckin-men! I was reading this at the station earlier tonight and I had goosebumps, man. I haven't felt that since the last Busiek/Perez "Ultron" story [I think it was #22].

Question though...what happened to Pariah? Toyfare had an obituary, but I thought he couldn't be killed? I remember Luthor captured him...

Rocketdog2000 01-19-06 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by nny
IC 4 was great. Big improvement from the disappointing number 3. The only problem I had was with some of the SB stuff.

Spoiler:
The people he killed didn't have the impact they should've had considering the whole big plan of the series is that SB and Alex want to destroy the current version of everybody on Earth. I realize it's much easier to kill everybody with a magic machine than to put a fist through somebody's skull, but still it's a little ridiculous to get upset over some bloodshed. It also kinda sucked considering I'm more familiar with the characters he took down through the TT cartoon than from any comic.

Here's my take on that...

Spoiler:
Superboy Prime is clearly deluded, but he didn't want to kill anyone - at least not on purpose. When he takes Pantha out, it was more of a blind lashing out, as she attacks him from behind, and I truly don't believe he meant to behead her. That's why he get's so upset. Then everybody goes nuts on him, and he just loses it, defending himself in any way possible. He blames the things he does next on on the fact that by having contact with the people of this Earth in such a manner, what they do to him is now tainting him - and making him become more like what he believes is wrong with this version of Earth. Of course, his logic is completely flawed. As in Conner's (our Superboy) case, he truly believes he can use might to prove he's right.

As for he and Alex wanting to "destroy the current version of everybody on Earth" - that's not really the case, either. Alex is more concerned with making what he called "A perfect version of Earth" - but to do that, he needs to essentially bring back the multiverse, and recreating Earth 2 is just the first stepping stone to doing so. Anyone else who's been killed so far during this Crisis, has pretty much just been cannon fodder in an ends to achive what he needed to do. If people die because of events he's set into motion (i.e. - everthing that's happend so far in the mini's leading up to Infinite Crisis) - that's not his fault, so much as the natural order of the way things work on what he considers a flawed world. As long as he can eventually get what he wants - a perfect world with perfect versions of everyone on it - it doesn't matter what else happens to anyone on this one along the way.

Chew 01-19-06 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by bishop2knight
Holy crap! Who's read Gotham Central #39? What a great story. I haven't anticipated the next issue of any comic like I am for #40.

Yup, another great issue. I can wait for the next issue because it's the last and I will no longer have that sense of giddy anticipation after it comes out. :(

boredsilly 01-19-06 08:26 AM

It's books like IC4 that make me feel sorry for people who don't read comics. What an exciting read. Things were kind of slow to start, but now I cannot wait to see what happens next. The fights in this issue were awesome! Some how I doubt we are going to see a kinder gentler DCU when all this stuff is said and done.

Also I thought Plantary 24 was going to be the last book. Is issue 25 it or some other issue? I know it's ending soon. I want to reread it all in time for when the last book ships.

bishop2knight 01-19-06 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
Yup, another great issue. I can wait for the next issue because it's the last and I will no longer have that sense of giddy anticipation after it comes out. :(

Well, I think the story will continue, at least to some degree, in DC's 52. Montoya is a key player in that book, and Rucka will be writing that arc I'm sure.

boredsilly 01-19-06 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by MovieExchange
Picked up my books today. Not a lot this week, mainly Infinite Crisis 4 (which gives some good explanations that tie together the 4 lead-up mini-series), All-Star Superman #2, and the two Spider-books.

After reading All-Star Superman #2, I am now convinced that Morrisson and Miller have a behind the scenes bet as to who can fuck up a classic DC character the most.

I'm curious as to what you didn't like about the book? Was it too different from the Supes mythos or do you just not like the take on the character? I liked it well enough. Wasn't bowled over or anything, but it's certainly interesting for me.

MovieExchange 01-19-06 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by boredsilly
I'm curious as to what you didn't like about the book? Was it too different from the Supes mythos or do you just not like the take on the character? I liked it well enough. Wasn't bowled over or anything, but it's certainly interesting for me.

I don't like the take on the character, I don't like the writing at all. Everything seems disjointed for some reason. Granted, it's not as bad as Miller's garbage in Batman, but I think it could be much better.

Chew 01-19-06 11:14 AM

Email received from DCBS:


It appears that there was an oversight with some of last week's shipments. The shipments that were missed are being sent out today. We apologize for this inconvenience.
I was wondering why my shiny new copy of the DC Alan Moore tpb wasn't delivered yet!

Any other DCBS customers miss a shipment last week?

nny 01-19-06 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Rocketdog2000
Here's my take on that...

Spoiler:
Superboy Prime is clearly deluded, but he didn't want to kill anyone - at least not on purpose. When he takes Pantha out, it was more of a blind lashing out, as she attacks him from behind, and I truly don't believe he meant to behead her. That's why he get's so upset. Then everybody goes nuts on him, and he just loses it, defending himself in any way possible. He blames the things he does next on on the fact that by having contact with the people of this Earth in such a manner, what they do to him is now tainting him - and making him become more like what he believes is wrong with this version of Earth. Of course, his logic is completely flawed. As in Conner's (our Superboy) case, he truly believes he can use might to prove he's right.

As for he and Alex wanting to "destroy the current version of everybody on Earth" - that's not really the case, either. Alex is more concerned with making what he called "A perfect version of Earth" - but to do that, he needs to essentially bring back the multiverse, and recreating Earth 2 is just the first stepping stone to doing so. Anyone else who's been killed so far during this Crisis, has pretty much just been cannon fodder in an ends to achive what he needed to do. If people die because of events he's set into motion (i.e. - everthing that's happend so far in the mini's leading up to Infinite Crisis) - that's not his fault, so much as the natural order of the way things work on what he considers a flawed world. As long as he can eventually get what he wants - a perfect world with perfect versions of everyone on it - it doesn't matter what else happens to anyone on this one along the way.

Yeah, I already understood everything in your first paragraph. I guess it just didn't work for me because I have no sympathy or attachment to the antagonists in this story.

Spoiler:
As for the second paragraph, I think to make a perfect world, he does want to destroy the current versions of everybody. For instance there's the line about how Dick Grayson is a good man, but he'll eventually be corrupted. Maybe I'm reading Luthor's plan wrong. Is he planning on bringing back the entire multiverse and he'll let all the other Earths just do whatever they want and he'll just reside on the Earth that he feels is perfect? He seems to hate the current Earth so much that I figured he'd eventually only have 1 Earth, taking the best parts from all the ones he's bringing back.

nny 01-19-06 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by boredsilly
Also I thought Plantary 24 was going to be the last book. Is issue 25 it or some other issue? I know it's ending soon. I want to reread it all in time for when the last book ships.

Heh, over at the Bendis board somebody posted, "Planetary feels like it needs 3 more issues instead of just one." and Ellis replied, "This is 24. It gets three more issues exactly. 25, 26, 27."

I think it was originally supposed to be 24 issues, but anytime a creator sets an ending issue for a series, it always seems like they end up adding a few more issues to that number. I'm surprised that BKV said that Y:TLM was always going to be 60 issues and is still only going to be 60 issues. I was hoping for a few more issues like Preacher and Sandman ended up getting. I have a feeling 100 Bullets will really end on issue 100 though.

kevin75 01-19-06 06:50 PM

Y ending will be a shame and a great thing. it's so good that i will hate to see it end, but it will be nice to have the whole story completed.

Rocketdog2000 01-19-06 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by nny
Yeah, I already understood everything in your first paragraph. I guess it just didn't work for me because I have no sympathy or attachment to the antagonists in this story.

Spoiler:
As for the second paragraph, I think to make a perfect world, he does want to destroy the current versions of everybody. For instance there's the line about how Dick Grayson is a good man, but he'll eventually be corrupted. Maybe I'm reading Luthor's plan wrong. Is he planning on bringing back the entire multiverse and he'll let all the other Earths just do whatever they want and he'll just reside on the Earth that he feels is perfect? He seems to hate the current Earth so much that I figured he'd eventually only have 1 Earth, taking the best parts from all the ones he's bringing back.

Well, let's look at page 6 of the story for an answer to that...

Spoiler:


Alexander Luthor - "...from which my own hands will redivde this universe. All in our crusade for finding a new Earth. A perfect earth.

Kara/Power Girl - " Earth two."

Luthor - "Earth Two? Of course not. Earth Two is only a stop along the way."

Kara - "All of this manipulation...The Pyscho Pirate...That's why Wonder Woman killed Maxwell Lord. Why Batman got so damn Paranoid. Why Superman--"

Luthor - "--failed to keep them all together? They did that themselves, Kara. That was the real tradgedy of it all. And it proved to me without a doubt that we were doing the right thing. These heroes aren't capable of protecting thier Earth. It's destruction was inevitable."


...now to me, that reads that Alexander Luthor believes the current version of Earth (and everyone on it) to be flawed, and that sooner or later it/they would destroy themsleves anyway. It's not so much that he's seeking thier destruction, but just that since he thinks it's going to happen anyway, if he does something, wether directly or indirectly, to cause events to speed up
that process- in the long run it doesn't matter to him. The end result will be the same. He doesn't care what happens to the people of this Earth along the way to acheiveing his ultimate goals, because they don't/won't really factor into his finished goal.


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