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Icon769 08-02-05 09:46 PM

I gave in and bought the other comics that go with Omac, and I was still kinda dissapointed. I think they missed an opportunity by showing Batman actually trying to fight off Clark, and realizing he was screwed. This would have been more emotional, and just a better idea I think.

I'm also following House of M and it's pretty good so far. Actually so far I think it's much better than Infinite Crisis.

Giantrobo 08-03-05 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
I think by "lacked emotion", he's talking about that feeling you get after you realize you've just wasted your money on a POS book.

If that's the case, he's absolutely right. I haven't felt that during IC yet. NOT during the kick ass Teen Titans v Dr. Light storyline and most definitely NOT during those two badass panels in Wonder Woman. "-KRK-"


Hmmm, well that's too bad. Like I've said before, I'm glad I can still read comics and enjoy them. Many of you guys seem to be in a constant "State of letdown". :(

Giantrobo 08-03-05 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Icon769
...I think they missed an opportunity by showing Batman actually trying to fight off Clark, and realizing he was screwed. This would have been more emotional, and just a better idea I think.



Bah, it's been done. That wasn't even the focus of the story.

Icon769 08-03-05 09:54 PM

What's up with Supes looking all apalled when Diana killed Max? Wasn't he trying to kill her. Granted he thought she was Doomsday, but he still wanted to end a life.

Giantrobo 08-04-05 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Icon769
What's up with Supes looking all apalled when Diana killed Max? Wasn't he trying to kill her. Granted he thought she was Doomsday, but he still wanted to end a life.


Yeah but Supes, probably more than the rest of the League is against killing isn't he?

MovieExchange 08-08-05 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by ytrez
Word on the street is that as a result of the Infinite Crisis
Spoiler:
Bruce Wayne may die, much like Barry Allen did in the original. Dick Grayson will take his place as the dark knight. Don't know if Tim Drake takes over as Nightwing.
. I'm hoping this isn't so!

Won't happen, at least not on a permanent basis. Maybe for 3 or 4 issues, then we'll find out that it didn't happen at all. The "big" characters that are movie marketing material will never change, at least not permanently.

One of the big goals of a comic book movie, at least as far as the comic book company behind it is concerned, is to bring in new readers to the comic book. Marvel screwed up with the first X-Men movie, and new readers were confused when they went to get the book and found that over half the characters in the movie weren't in the comic.

So now you can guarantee that any franchise character will always be the same, at least as long as they're a franchise character. And the one you mentioned? Easily the top franchise character of that company. You'd think it was
Spoiler:
Superman
, but they're actually more protective of
Spoiler:
Batman
when it comes to changes, guest shots in other books, etc.

fujishig 08-08-05 12:24 PM

I thought it was the other way around. That the way Warner Bros. looks at the DC universe is that it's in a niche market, but is a great source of ideas to branch out to other mediums and for licensing.

I've very rarely seen movies make a lasting impact on comic readership. And in the case of X-men, it was more like they changed the core characters around to become more like the movies (at least the costumes). No matter what they say, I have to believe they changed the roster of Teen Titans at least partially to conform with the cartoon (though they since have gotten rid of Starfire, whose cartoon persona is very, very different from her comic book incarnation)

fujishig 08-09-05 11:54 AM

Okay, I was reading through the Excalibur "House of M prelude" collection today. I had preordered it to get a glimpse of what House of M was going to be about.

First of all, it's Excalibur 11-14 for 12 bucks. I hate these small collections.

Second of all, who the heck are all these people? Why are Magneto and Xavier living in a house somewhere? Why does Calypso have tentacles? Why is Angel still dating Husk? When did Claremont establish that Angel has superhuman strength "because he has to use his muscles to launch into flight anyway?" Is that Dark Beast? Why is this book called "Excalibur" at all?

Great "prelude." I also see that they list all the "House of M" collections in the inside cover. Is this even done yet?

nny 08-09-05 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by MovieExchange
Marvel screwed up with the first X-Men movie, and new readers were confused when they went to get the book and found that over half the characters in the movie weren't in the comic.

Huh? I wasn't reading X-men at the time, but I know that Jean Grey was part of the team at the time. Maybe that was when Cyclops was "dead", but I'd assume the other characters were on the team. I think the biggest problem was they had Claremont back on the books at the time and he's just a bad writer now.

As for your other comments,
Spoiler:
Azrael became Batman while there was a Batman series on TV and they were still making Batman movies. Besides, dead is never dead in comics. Even if they do manage to keep him dead, there's always Elseworlds, All-Star and LOTDK type stories for your Bruce Wayne fix.

Superboy 08-09-05 06:22 PM

Well, it isn't a direct one-way relationship, but comics/cartoons/movies DO affect each other.

Batman's appearance post-NML was modified to resemble his Batman/Superman Cartoon costume. In case you were wondering why Batman's been written really, really, really, really, REALLY bitter lately, it's because of the influence of Batman Beyond.

Superman in the Cartoon is an amalgamation of multiple incarnations of Superman, but it has most in common with the John Byrne reboot. The cartoon vision of Krypton was later incorporated into Birthright. Metallo's appearance in Superman/Batman also resembles his comic counterpart.

fujishig 08-09-05 06:53 PM

Don't forget made-for-tv characters like firestar and harley quinn becoming comic characters.

I'm surprised about the Batman Beyond influence. Movies are often so different from the source comics that making them more similar won't necessarily make it easier for someone to transition from one medium to another. For example, Rogue and Iceman aren't teenagers, and they don't have a romantic link between them. So am I going to be more confused by that, or by the rosters and costumes being a little different?



When John Constantine gets a "holy shotgun" in Hellblazer, it'll be too much...


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