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Jason Bovberg 06-28-18 02:48 PM

Harlan Ellison Is Gone
 
This is a tough one. Harlan Ellison died today. I was lucky enough to meet him in Colorado a couple decades ago. A feisty, brilliant dude. RIP.

Here's some info, as of today.

Harlan Ellison, one of the most influential sci-fi writers of the twentieth century, passed away today in his sleep. He was 84 years old. Christine Valada, the widow of the late Len Wein and a friend of Harlan and his wife Susan, officially announced the author’s passing on Twitter.

“Susan Ellison has asked me to announce the passing of writer Harlan Ellison, in his sleep, earlier today,” Valada wrote. “For a brief time I was here, and for a brief time, I mattered.”—HE, 1934-2018. Arrangements for a celebration of his life are pending.


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The Valeyard 06-28-18 03:43 PM

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I just heard the news. Absolutely stunned right now.

Ginwen 06-28-18 03:58 PM

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Sad. Read everything I could find by him when I was a bit younger. Also saw him at a con about 30 years ago, he was everything you'd hope for in Harlan Ellison (funny, opinionated, insulting, etc).

Geofferson 06-28-18 03:59 PM

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Sad news. I recently read Web of the City (one of his earlier pulp novels) and have A Boy and His Dog in my to-read pile.

Interesting he was married 5 times and has no kids.

Why So Blu? 06-28-18 04:19 PM

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My favorite of his clips:



It's why I got out of Hollywood.

The Antipodean 06-28-18 10:05 PM

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One of the last of the legends who did so much to shape my brain as a teenager/young dude. Vonnegut, Updike, Roth, etc. He had a voice like thunder screaming across the sky. He’s gone now, but he’ll never be gone.

The Antipodean 06-28-18 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Geofferson (Post 13362241)
Sad news. I recently read Web of the City (one of his earlier pulp novels) and have A Boy and His Dog in my to-read pile.

Interesting he was married 5 times and has no kids.

He goes into that decision a bit in some of his autobio writings (which for me, are often even better than his great fiction).

Josh-da-man 06-28-18 10:40 PM

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I was just thinking about Harlan the other day.

I can't say this was unexpected; he had been uncharacteristically silent since he had a stroke a couple of years back, and I had a feeling he probably wasn't doing well.

His personality has always fascinated me. He could be generous and petty, eloquent and crude, kind and vicious. He collected loyal friends and blood enemies in seemingly equal number.

Never had the honor of meeting the man, and truthfully, I'm not sure I would have wanted to. He seemed like the kind of person who could take one look at you, immediately size you up, and tear you a new asshole in fifteen words or less.

B5Erik 06-29-18 12:36 AM

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I love Harlan. He was just so intense and intelligent - he was one of a kind.

Yeah, he could be a loudmouth jerk, but he was also entertaining as hell and he was right more often than he was wrong - and he was incredibly talented as a writer.

My dad once submitted a short story to a science fiction magazine that Harlan was editing back in the late 60's. It was rejected, of course. I've read it, it was a really good story - and very well written. But it had a couple big action sequences and read more like a thoughtful science fiction movie than a more intellectual written work. That's probably why he rejected it. My dad should have kept submitting it to all the sci fi magazines at the time (someone would have published it), but he didn't. Instead, he worked on co-writing a story with Vernor Vinge (his best friend - who is still his best friend today) and that one got published in Analog (Vernor was pretty much unknown at the time). That was another great story. But whenever Harlan Ellison comes up my dad says, "You know, he rejected a short story of mine back in the late 60's." ;)

Hokeyboy 06-29-18 08:53 AM

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Devastated. He was my favorite living writer, at least up until yesterday. I discovered a paperback copy of "Stalking The Nightmare" when my family was renting a beach townhouse and I was 13, and it was raining, and there was nothing to do. The book was lying there on a bookshelf. I picked it up and poured through it. And was hooked for life.

I never met the man. I wish I had. His words have inspired, entertained, often enraged, but always intrigued me.

RIP

B5Erik 06-29-18 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 13362587)
Devastated. He was my favorite living writer, at least up until yesterday. I discovered a paperback copy of "Stalking The Nightmare" when my family was renting a beach townhouse and I was 13, and it was raining, and there was nothing to do. The book was lying there on a bookshelf. I picked it up and poured through it. And was hooked for life.

I never met the man. I wish I had. His words have inspired, entertained, often enraged, but always intrigued me.

RIP

Yeah, he will be missed. He has been missed as he hasn't been a public figure for a few years (I guess he had a stroke a few years ago).

Agree or disagree with whatever point he was making he was still compelling and entertaining and thought provoking. He was one of a kind. He is irreplaceable.

alexkevin 06-29-18 09:58 AM

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Every soul shall taste death, RIP!! he was really good writer.

LurkerDan 06-29-18 10:10 AM

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This one hurts.

He was hugely influential to me when I discovered his writing as an early teen. I was a big sic-fi reader, but had no idea what writing could be, what could be expressed with the written word, until I started reading Harlan Ellison's work. Was my favorite author for a long time. But he wasn't just my favorite author, he opened my eyes to what literature could be.

Rest in peace, you marvelous bastard. :(

DaveNinja 06-29-18 11:34 AM

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What are some good starting books of his for someone who hasnt read anything by him?

LurkerDan 06-29-18 12:26 PM

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I have No Mouth and I Must Scream
The Beast that Shouted Love at the Heart of the World
Deathbird Stories

His best work is, IMO, short stories, and all of those are collections of his stories. Also, Dangerous Visions is an anthology he edited, with great stuff, and his intros are a great intro to his non-fiction work.

Hokeyboy 06-29-18 01:13 PM

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Do they still publish The Essential Ellison? I've gifted that book a bunch of times. Great overview covering 35 years of his work.

PhantomStranger 06-29-18 01:55 PM

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Truly a unique and essential creative voice of the 20th Century.

Josh-da-man 06-29-18 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 13362787)
Do they still publish The Essential Ellison? I've gifted that book a bunch of times. Great overview covering 35 years of his work.

No. It's been out of print for years.

A while back Morpeus International issued a new edition of The Essential Ellison with additional stories and retitled "A Fifty Year Retrospective," but it's also been unavailable for a long time.

Josh-da-man 06-29-18 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNinja (Post 13362684)
What are some good starting books of his for someone who hasnt read anything by him?

The Top of the Volcano is a collection of his award-winning stories and functions as a handy greatest hits collection with stories like "Jeffty is Five," "Repent, Harlequin, Said the Tick Tock Man," and "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream."

Deathbird Stories is probably his most famous collection of stories.

Both would be good places to start.

If you want to continue, you look into other books like Paingod and Other
Delusions, Strange Wine,
and Shatterday.

His non-fiction, essays, and movie reviews are entertaining as hell, too... Harlan Ellison's Watching, Harlan Ellison Hornbook, and An Edge in My Voice.

You can read one of his essays on his own site here: http://harlanellison.com/iwrite/mostimp.htm

Greg MacGuffin 06-29-18 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNinja (Post 13362684)
What are some good starting books of his for someone who hasnt read anything by him?

I haven't read a ton of stuff by him but Shatterday is one of my favorite short story collections of all time.

Trevor 06-30-18 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 13362467)
I was just thinking about Harlan the other day.

I can't say this was unexpected; he had been uncharacteristically silent since he had a stroke a couple of years back, and I had a feeling he probably wasn't doing well.

His personality has always fascinated me. He could be generous and petty, eloquent and crude, kind and vicious. He collected loyal friends and blood enemies in seemingly equal number.

Never had the honor of meeting the man, and truthfully, I'm not sure I would have wanted to. He seemed like the kind of person who could take one look at you, immediately size you up, and tear you a new asshole in fifteen words or less.

Very sad news, he was one of a kind.

I actually wanted to meet him someday, do my usual stuttering praise of someone whose work I admire, and get those 15 words of probable biting criticism. They would have proudly served as my sig here.

brainee 06-30-18 12:49 PM

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Damn :( Though not unexpected, given his age, recent inactivity, and hard lifestyle. I'd say he had a great run, getting as much out of life as he could.

One of my all-time favorites. Though I read a couple of short stories by him earlier, Ellison really got on my radar when I bought a paperback of Deathbird Stories while in college (late 80s or early 90s). The collection blew me away with their raw visceral power that I started trying to track down everything he had written. Which wasn't easy, since despite being such an acclaimed writer his stuff was maddeningly difficult to find. Every new (to me) book of his I'd find through used book dealers were a treasure.

Deathbird remains my favorite original collection of his (though it being my introduction to Ellison may make me a bit biased). Essential Ellison was fantastic, and I gave it as gifts to people who I knew were readers and had never read Ellison. For an easy way now for new readers to get a taste of Ellison, I think the easier way is The Top of the Volcano collection (while the physical copy is expensive, it can be had for the Kindle for $9.99 right now).

General Zod 06-30-18 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginwen (Post 13362239)
Sad. Read everything I could find by him when I was a bit younger. Also saw him at a con about 30 years ago, he was everything you'd hope for in Harlan Ellison (funny, opinionated, insulting, etc).

That's where i saw him too. He was scheduled to speak for about 15 minutes and ranted on for 45 about Roddenberry and how great his script was vs. what they filmed for COTEOF. As the minutes went on he got louder and madder and he apologizes for profanity during the first few minutes but by the end it was almost all he had left. I was really young and wonder why in the world some guy who was credited for writing the best ST episode would be so mad about it. But that was Harlan..

LurkerDan 06-30-18 03:53 PM

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A good read, from Neil Gaiman: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2018/0...n-ellison.html

Kurt D 06-30-18 04:33 PM

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Oh no. What a ferocious talent and amazing critical thinker ...
RIP

Shannon Nutt 07-01-18 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNinja (Post 13362684)
What are some good starting books of his for someone who hasnt read anything by him?

See if you can track down any edition of "The Essential Ellison"

Trevor 07-01-18 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNinja (Post 13362684)
What are some good starting books of his for someone who hasnt read anything by him?

Do you have Prime? Some of his best stuff is free for Prime members on kindle.

Trevor 07-02-18 08:46 AM

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Nice story from Mark Evanier about him.
https://www.newsfromme.com/2018/06/3...ellison-story/

JANK 07-02-18 08:52 AM

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I have no Ellison and I must dream.

Trevor 07-23-18 03:06 PM

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Was looking for something else, and stumbled upon this nice Ellison remembrance.
https://www.comicmix.com/2018/07/17/...he-told-us-all

Ash Ketchum 07-24-18 06:03 PM

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I used to see Ellison at Star Trek and science fiction conventions back in the '70s. He would do these comic mock debates with Isaac Asimov to packed crowds in massive hotel ballrooms. He was a wild man. They were always complaining about Paramount dragging its feet on producing a Star Trek movie. Ellison would complain about Barry Diller in particular and how Diller rejected Ellison's "blasphemous" ST script.

I recommend Ellison's books of TV reviews from 1968-72: The Glass Teat and The Other Teat. I can't think of anything else that captures the polarization of the era better than those columns (originally done for the L.A. Free Press). Worth reading in light of today's polarization which is a skewed variation of '60s-era polarization, but bit more primal if you ask me.

Hokeyboy 07-24-18 08:34 PM

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"Harlan Ellison's Watching" is probably my favorite collection of film reviews/criticism. If for only introducing me to the movies of Val Lewton alone... dayenu.

DaveNinja 08-29-18 11:29 AM

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I read "Repent, Harlequin, Said the Tick Tock Man," yesterday (it was the only one of his titles my library had for free kindle check out). I didn't really like it.
Are his other titles similar or is this one stylistically different?

Josh-da-man 08-29-18 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveNinja (Post 13397759)
I read "Repent, Harlequin, Said the Tick Tock Man," yesterday (it was the only one of his titles my library had for free kindle check out). I didn't really like it.
Are his other titles similar or is this one stylistically different?

Pretty similar.

You might want to give the stories "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream'" "Jeffty is Five," and "Shatterday," a try if you can find them.

I kind if hate to say this, but I think Harlan Ellison is generally oversold to the point where, when someone reads his stories for the first time, their reaction will be That's it? If it wasn't for Ellison's overbearing personality and his singular ability to court controversy, he probably wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the history on genre fiction.

Trevor 08-31-18 12:38 PM

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A bunch of his books are in a good sci-fi ebook sale going on today only.
https://theportalist.com/1000-ebook-sale

brayzie 09-19-18 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 13397937)
Pretty similar.

You might want to give the stories "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream'" "Jeffty is Five," and "Shatterday," a try if you can find them.

I kind if hate to say this, but I think Harlan Ellison is generally oversold to the point where, when someone reads his stories for the first time, their reaction will be That's it? If it wasn't for Ellison's overbearing personality and his singular ability to court controversy, he probably wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the history on genre fiction.

Not for me.
I don't remember which of his stories I read first, but it may have been "Jeffty is Five." That was a really good short story.
Maybe you're right that the way he promoted himself helped him to be considered more than he was, but I don't think I would consider him to be overrated.
In fact, I would go as far as to say, I can understand why he was so cocky. His style of writing seems so effortless. There's no points, that I've read, where it seems like he's trying to hard or stumbles at certain parts.

fiver 10-15-18 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brayzie (Post 13410821)
Not for me.
I don't remember which of his stories I read first, but it may have been "Jeffty is Five." That was a really good short story.
Maybe you're right that the way he promoted himself helped him to be considered more than he was, but I don't think I would consider him to be overrated.
In fact, I would go as far as to say, I can understand why he was so cocky. His style of writing seems so effortless. There's no points, that I've read, where it seems like he's trying to hard or stumbles at certain parts.


Not everything Ellison wrote was gold for sure, but whose writing is. I grew up scouring used book stores for old Ellison paperbacks, and he was one of the most important authors in shaping my worldview at the time. While his name is pretty well known to classic SF geeks, I hardly think he's oversold. I reread "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" recently and still found it as powerful as the first time. I suspect I'll feel the same when I get around to rereading "The Whimper of Whipped Dogs" or something simple like "Blink"

I've certainly come to realize it's easy to buy into Ellison's own hype if you put the man on too high a pedestal as an author. I was never so disappointed as reading his original screenplay treatment of Star Trek's City On the Edge of Forever, or reading about what happened with The Last Dangerous Visions anthology, or his overzealous litigiousness nature which, while in his prerogative, doesn't endear him to fans very much I think.

Still, his books were very important to me so his passing was very sad to me.

Josh-da-man 08-12-21 11:10 PM

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Well, it looks hell has truly frozen over...



From JMS's Facebook page:

THE LAST DANGEROUS VISIONS has at last been completed. The final draft went off to the agency that will be handling the sale about fifteen minutes ago. This has been a massive effort...112,000 words...tracking down the estates of the original writers to be included in the book, and nailing down some newer A List writers; fans of Harlan's who wanted to be a part of TLDV. (And for the record, Harlan continued to buy stories for the anthology right through the 90s, and stopped only due to illness. He saw TLDV as a living document, and fought to keep it relevant when some stories became less timely or were supplanted by real world events.)

I will have more to say about the contents at a later date, but suffice to say that they include some of the most visionary writers in the science fiction genre over the last 48 years.
I have to say I'm more than a bit skeptical about this project.

TLDV, notoriously, had bloated to over on hundred stories spread across three volumes in excess of 200,000 words each.

That the JMS version of TLDV will only consist of 112,000 words and that he has been soliciting new stories from folks like Neil Gaiman and Corey Doctorow, not to mention holding a contest for an unpublished author to be included, it leads me to wonder just how closely the published product will resemble the one Ellison intended. I think that, over the years, about forty of the stories Ellison bought were pulled by their authors and published elsewhere, so that would still leave about seventy stories and 400,000 words that will be cut down to 112,000 words. And there also those new stories JMS is soliciting. We'll probably only get a handful of the stories that were originally to be included.



Kurt D 08-12-21 11:29 PM

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If it leads to reprints of the first volumes I'll be well-pleased.

B5Erik 08-13-21 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 13970026)
Well, it looks hell has truly frozen over...

https://www.facebook.com/officialjms...75048297333445



I have to say I'm more than a bit skeptical about this project.

TLDV, notoriously, had bloated to over on hundred stories spread across three volumes in excess of 200,000 words each.

That the JMS version of TLDV will only consist of 112,000 words and that he has been soliciting new stories from folks like Neil Gaiman and Corey Doctorow, not to mention holding a contest for an unpublished author to be included, it leads me to wonder just how closely the published product will resemble the one Ellison intended. I think that, over the years, about forty of the stories Ellison bought were pulled by their authors and published elsewhere, so that would still leave about seventy stories and 400,000 words that will be cut down to 112,000 words. And there also those new stories JMS is soliciting. We'll probably only get a handful of the stories that were originally to be included.

It may be shorter, but with JMS at the helm I'm pretty sure it's going to be top level stuff. He and Harlan were close friends, so he knows what Harlan would want and that's been his focus on this project.


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