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I just finished the book about an hour ago. Amazing ending to a terrific series! I enjoyed the epilogue, but agree that ending it at the final chapter before that would have worked very well.
Re: Harry not being an amazing wizard... true, what was amazing about him as a character was his leadership, his courage, and his loyalty to his friends. He's not supposed to be a conquering action hero who does everything singlehandedly.
Re: Harry not being an amazing wizard... true, what was amazing about him as a character was his leadership, his courage, and his loyalty to his friends. He's not supposed to be a conquering action hero who does everything singlehandedly.
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Re: Harry not being an amazing wizard... true, what was amazing about him as a character was his leadership, his courage, and his loyalty to his friends. He's not supposed to be a conquering action hero who does everything singlehandedly.
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When can we stop with the spoilers? Slows down the reading and replying. I think the thread title is warning enough and we're several pages in already.
My take: I really liked this. I still think Goblet of Fire was the best book, but it's kind of like the Empire Strikes back of the series, isn't it?
Most affecting death for me, for me was
I agree that there did seem to be a lot of "boring" parts, but I felt it leant some reality to the path to Voldermort's death. I also disagree that he was so easy to kill. They spent 2 books trying to get to the point where he was able to die in a few sentences.
But ultimately I think she stayed true to her themes and it is those themes that have caused so many to really respond to her story and characters. And what was really nice was that it wasn't about finding some super-powerful magical object, but about trusting in friends, the importance (and pitfalls) of family, being courageous, resourceful and accepting; the downfalls of arrogance and bigotry, and fear; the importance of remorse and the role it plays in reforming ourselves, and of course, love, or put another way, the ability to put another's needs above our own playing the largest role here. Very human qualities all.
Literary masterpiece? Not necessarily, though anything that can touch the hearts of so many people has to be given credit for that. But pretty heady stuff for a children's book all the same.
Finally, I think the epilogue was just fine. Partly she had to put it in so there would be no question of another book about Harry, Ron and Hermione. I also think it served to emphasize all the things I thought the book was about. Friendship, forgiveness and reform, and continued the themes of acceptance and courage as our three leads passed those qualities on to their children. Also, I'm a real sucker for those "a few months/years later" things in movies.
About what their jobs might be:
Responses to questions about the werewolf attack and Rowle's obliviation.
Harry was running and hiding for most of the book. I don't think he was aware just how much Ginny and Neville had been rebelling during the year. As for all the names...it's magic, I'm sure they worked that out somehow. The school also has less than 1,000 students, so depending on the time of day they'd be pretty spread out.
I thought people would complain about this more. I liked it, but it did take me out of the book a bit.
This and Snape were some of the best parts of the book. Their different outcomes being another lesson in human frailties and strength of course.
I would go further and say that it wasn't his magical prowess so much as his courage and ability to think on his feet that made him such a formidable opponent of Voldermort. I think you just have to take everything Dumbledore says in praise of Harry at face value too.
My take: I really liked this. I still think Goblet of Fire was the best book, but it's kind of like the Empire Strikes back of the series, isn't it?
Most affecting death for me, for me was
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I agree that there did seem to be a lot of "boring" parts, but I felt it leant some reality to the path to Voldermort's death. I also disagree that he was so easy to kill. They spent 2 books trying to get to the point where he was able to die in a few sentences.
But ultimately I think she stayed true to her themes and it is those themes that have caused so many to really respond to her story and characters. And what was really nice was that it wasn't about finding some super-powerful magical object, but about trusting in friends, the importance (and pitfalls) of family, being courageous, resourceful and accepting; the downfalls of arrogance and bigotry, and fear; the importance of remorse and the role it plays in reforming ourselves, and of course, love, or put another way, the ability to put another's needs above our own playing the largest role here. Very human qualities all.
Literary masterpiece? Not necessarily, though anything that can touch the hearts of so many people has to be given credit for that. But pretty heady stuff for a children's book all the same.
Finally, I think the epilogue was just fine. Partly she had to put it in so there would be no question of another book about Harry, Ron and Hermione. I also think it served to emphasize all the things I thought the book was about. Friendship, forgiveness and reform, and continued the themes of acceptance and courage as our three leads passed those qualities on to their children. Also, I'm a real sucker for those "a few months/years later" things in movies.
About what their jobs might be:
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Responses to questions about the werewolf attack and Rowle's obliviation.
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I don't know...maybe you can seperate names. Thinking of the Marauder's Map though...I think it was kind of selfish for Harry to keep that. I mean all he really used it for was to stare at Ginny's name. Shouldn't he have given it to Ginny to help her, Neville and Luna. He could have gotten it back from Neville when he needed it.
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My favorite part might be when
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I also thought it was telling that Petunia (Harry's aunt)
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While I don't dispute that a lot of things happen by coincidence/luck, I don't think those are particularly good examples.
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I also think the way Voldemort was taken down was well done. It was not about the showdown in the great hall, and "one lucky spell" by Harry. It wasn't about Harry being a better wizard.
It was about Harry gaining the knowledge of Voldy's vulnerabilities (his impatience and lack of understanding of his own actions in being raised from the dead)
Once Harry knew all the Horcruxes were destroyed, and understood exactly who was the rightful owner of the Elder wand... he knew that Voldy was not going to be able to win. True, Dumbledore helped him along the way, but it was indeed Harry that figured out the location of two of the Horcruxes (the cup and the diadem) which Dumbledore could not.
It was my favorite book of the series, and did a great job of wrapping everything very well. As for the epilogue, I think it was left very vague as to allow another writing in the future. All we know for sure about Harry is that he marries Ginny and has 3 kids, and we can deduce he does not work at Hogwarts.
It was about Harry gaining the knowledge of Voldy's vulnerabilities (his impatience and lack of understanding of his own actions in being raised from the dead)
Once Harry knew all the Horcruxes were destroyed, and understood exactly who was the rightful owner of the Elder wand... he knew that Voldy was not going to be able to win. True, Dumbledore helped him along the way, but it was indeed Harry that figured out the location of two of the Horcruxes (the cup and the diadem) which Dumbledore could not.
It was my favorite book of the series, and did a great job of wrapping everything very well. As for the epilogue, I think it was left very vague as to allow another writing in the future. All we know for sure about Harry is that he marries Ginny and has 3 kids, and we can deduce he does not work at Hogwarts.
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Fair warning, I'm not going to use any spoiler tags in this message. People who don't want to be spoiled should not be reading this thread anyway, especially 7 pages in!
Blade: I agree about the "boring" parts lending to the authenticity of the whole story. It really had a vibe that reminded me of what it might have been like in many places during World War II... with the uncertainty, the fear, the propaganda, and the underground radio broadcasts.
I wonder if the kids went back to Hogwarts the next year to finish their education, or if they were all given a pass to do whatever they wanted, career wise, because they helped take down Voldemort. There certainly a lot of possibilities for new stories in this universe. A new Voldemort could show up somewhere! That said, I think it best if JK Rowling moved on to new projects, and leave the HP universe to the imaginations of the fans. Am I correct in that JKR personally owns the rights to the HP stories, so other people can't write anything new?
So many great moments though in the book... the one that made me cheer the most was Neville killing Nagini! Way to go!
Blade: I agree about the "boring" parts lending to the authenticity of the whole story. It really had a vibe that reminded me of what it might have been like in many places during World War II... with the uncertainty, the fear, the propaganda, and the underground radio broadcasts.
I wonder if the kids went back to Hogwarts the next year to finish their education, or if they were all given a pass to do whatever they wanted, career wise, because they helped take down Voldemort. There certainly a lot of possibilities for new stories in this universe. A new Voldemort could show up somewhere! That said, I think it best if JK Rowling moved on to new projects, and leave the HP universe to the imaginations of the fans. Am I correct in that JKR personally owns the rights to the HP stories, so other people can't write anything new?
So many great moments though in the book... the one that made me cheer the most was Neville killing Nagini! Way to go!
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Agree. In fact, I wish there had been a bit more. I wonder what jobs they all have... Harry clearly didn't end up where I thought he would.
Excellent ending to the series. I can't wait to re-read it and take my time.
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Originally Posted by shifrbv
For the people who are refuting my agrument:
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What only Harry could do was to sacrifice himself to destroy the part of Voldermort's soul in him and, equally importantly, sacrifice himself to protect the ones he loved. That's why Dumbledore kept praising Harry's innate drive to protect those around him (like in the underwater challenge in the Tri-Wizard Tournament).
As for Nagini, I think that Voldermort felt that being the owner of an unbeatable wand, and destroying what he thought was the only real threat to his continuance, and decimating his foes who still occupied the school had made him feel understandably cocky. His arrogance has been a trademark flaw throughout the series as well.
And in the end he was defeated the same way he had been defeated when he first tried to kill Harry. He continued to discount the subtle power that love played in that world and paid the price. This time, and after great sacrifice (you can't say she didn't kill or maim or orphan quite a few people in the last 2 books) he was dead for good because they had destroyed his keys to immortality by destroying the Horcruxes. Especially in this last book there was a real war going on with a lot of casualties. I didn't think very much of anything in here was really "easily" done.
I don't, however, understand why you think the series should remain dark? To use LoTRings as an example, while Frodo had some melancholy and the elves left the land, it had a pretty upbeat ending after quite a lot of darkness. They defeated the great evil, they get to enjoy the fruits of their work. That's prety basic fantasy storytelling there.
I guess if you want to say that the epilogue did not show that there were still bad wizards around, then I can see your point, but I felt the epilogue was at least partly meant as a kind of wave goodbye to characters that the readers and the author have grown pretty attached to over the years, so that intimations of hard times having been overcome or that were yet to come would have been kind of besides the point. Do you really think that anyone reading the series would think that there wouldn't be bad or evil people in the world again, and needed to be reminded that there would be in the epilogue?
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A few things I am having trouble with,
I thought J.K. was quoted as saying that
1) Somebody who normally couldn't normally do magic would do so under extraordinary circumstances. Er - Who was this?
2) It would be important that Harry has his mothers eyes. Um - Why?
Best Harry Potter book for a while – my favorite after Azkaban and Goblet.
Some of my random thoughts:
I thought J.K. was quoted as saying that
1) Somebody who normally couldn't normally do magic would do so under extraordinary circumstances. Er - Who was this?
2) It would be important that Harry has his mothers eyes. Um - Why?
Best Harry Potter book for a while – my favorite after Azkaban and Goblet.
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It was nowhere near that many. Arthur, Molly, Bill, Charlie, George, Mundungus, Kingsley, Ron, Harry, Hermoine, Hagrid, McGonagall, Fleur, and a bunch of minor characters (Doge, Diggle, Figg, Sturgis, etc) all survived. Only seven members died during the series.
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A few things I am having trouble with,
I thought J.K. was quoted as saying that
1) Somebody who normally couldn't normally do magic would do so under extraordinary circumstances. Er - Who was this?
2) It would be important that Harry has his mothers eyes. Um - Why?
I thought J.K. was quoted as saying that
1) Somebody who normally couldn't normally do magic would do so under extraordinary circumstances. Er - Who was this?
2) It would be important that Harry has his mothers eyes. Um - Why?
2) There was something in there about Harry's eyes being Lily's eyes, which is why Snape helped him, or something like that.
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...Blade: I agree about the "boring" parts lending to the authenticity of the whole story. It really had a vibe that reminded me of what it might have been like in many places during World War II... with the uncertainty, the fear, the propaganda, and the underground radio broadcasts....
I thought it was a nice touch, and clearly planned from a long time back.
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1) The death that bothered me most was Hedwig. The poor thing was defenseless.
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Anyone have a good source for these quotes JK Rowling said about the last book (the deaths, Harry's eyes, etc.)? I'm having no luck at Wikipedia and I'm wondering if she truly changed whatever she was going to do or if we are all incorrectly remembering what she said.
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The one who would perform magic that could not normally do so was Harry's wand during the first attack when the wand attacked and destroyed Malfoy's wand which Voldemort was using.
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Harry's eyes being Lily's eyes was indeed about Snape. Harry was told that same thing multiple times by people that knew her. It was definitely important to Snape as the last thing Snape asked Harry to do as he was dying was to look at him, in my opinion, so he could look into the eyes of the only woman that he had ever and would ever truly love.
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Originally Posted by shumway
Harry's eyes being Lily's eyes was indeed about Snape. Harry was told that same thing multiple times by people that knew her. It was definitely important to Snape as the last thing Snape asked Harry to do as he was dying was to look at him, in my opinion, so he could look into the eyes of the only woman that he had ever and would ever truly love.
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[QUOTE=Blade]I agree, the final blow could have been dealt by anyone who had taken the wand from Draco. In fact I believe that was implicit in Dumbledore telling Harry that he did not have to go back.
What only Harry could do was to sacrifice himself to destroy the part of
But isn't this a major inconsistency and doesn't this go against everything JK adamantly stated about all of the wizards? Once they were gone, there was no coming back. What exactly did Harry sacrifice? Nothing as far as I can see. He had his life, he got to have a future. I don't see how anyone can argue that Harry sacrificed anything. The only thing he ever lost was his parents but that didn't make him special. Alot of other kids were in the same boat.
There are alot of things about the entire Harry/V plotline that continue to not make sense to me the more I think about it.
A big one I was just thinking about was that horcruxes had to be deliberately created. They just don't happen by accident. If they did, I'm sure that there were plenty of people who V killed who had someone who loved them just as much. Are we to believe that no one else did? Either V knew Harry was a horcrux or he didn't (which I don't see how he could not have as he could see into Harry's mind). I think he knew because Lily pleaded "not him" which seemed to me she knew what might go down and tried to put some protection on. Even if it was an accident, everyone else knew. That being the case, why would V EVER want Harry to die? It doesn't make sense. He wanted to protect everything that might have had a part of him in it. It was a must for him to be immortal. He should have wanted Harry captured and hidden away for eternity. That would have been the smartest. Kept him locked away from everyone who could have told him the truth and maybe even raised him in a brainwashed state to be a follower of his. I can see why Dumbledore's side would need Harry to die. He had to to get rid of V. But V would have never wanted it if things were being done logically.
Arrogance/cockyness does not equal stupidity. In the beginning, V told himself he must be much more careful. Yet, nothing of the sort happened. We are to believe that someone who was coming so close to their dreams would make blunder after blunder all the while telling themselves they must do better? We are to believe that someone like this would never think someone else might want to challenge his power and think about destroying the last horcrux to do it? I must live in a different reality.
I don't see how anyone can say that he would be gone for good. Harry DID NOT die, so the horcrux should not have been extinguished. It can't just evaporate. It has to be killed. You can't have it both ways. Harry should not have ever had the choice to come back if JK stayed consistent. That is what I thought should happen because he was always the tragic hero. Marked for death from the very beginning, but JK didn't have the guts.
This is not the same at LOTR. You have a group of fairly homogeneous people (all wizards - whether part human or not) (unlike LOTR where the dark wizard was creating his army in a workshop) and they all live and work together. Half of the wizarding world was following V. We are to believe that these evil people just faded away and no one aspired to fill the vacuum? I really felt it was doing a disservice to the message in the books. The main premise was good vs. evil. To just tell people that evil can "disappear" with one death and that everyone else will live happily ever after was not the message I would have sent.
I don't know where I would have shown it. But when half the wizarding world was ready to follow one man and overrun the other half, it shouldnt' have been handled so lightly.
What only Harry could do was to sacrifice himself to destroy the part of
Originally Posted by Blade
Voldermort's soul in him and, equally importantly, sacrifice himself to protect the ones he loved. That's why Dumbledore kept praising Harry's innate drive to protect those around him (like in the underwater challenge in the Tri-Wizard Tournament).
There are alot of things about the entire Harry/V plotline that continue to not make sense to me the more I think about it.
A big one I was just thinking about was that horcruxes had to be deliberately created. They just don't happen by accident. If they did, I'm sure that there were plenty of people who V killed who had someone who loved them just as much. Are we to believe that no one else did? Either V knew Harry was a horcrux or he didn't (which I don't see how he could not have as he could see into Harry's mind). I think he knew because Lily pleaded "not him" which seemed to me she knew what might go down and tried to put some protection on. Even if it was an accident, everyone else knew. That being the case, why would V EVER want Harry to die? It doesn't make sense. He wanted to protect everything that might have had a part of him in it. It was a must for him to be immortal. He should have wanted Harry captured and hidden away for eternity. That would have been the smartest. Kept him locked away from everyone who could have told him the truth and maybe even raised him in a brainwashed state to be a follower of his. I can see why Dumbledore's side would need Harry to die. He had to to get rid of V. But V would have never wanted it if things were being done logically.
Originally Posted by Blade
As for Nagini, I think that Voldermort felt that being the owner of an unbeatable wand, and destroying what he thought was the only real threat to his continuance, and decimating his foes who still occupied the school had made him feel understandably cocky. His arrogance has been a trademark flaw throughout the series as well.
Originally Posted by Blade
And in the end he was defeated the same way he had been defeated when he first tried to kill Harry. He continued to discount the subtle power that love played in that world and paid the price. This time, and after great sacrifice (you can't say she didn't kill or maim or orphan quite a few people in the last 2 books) he was dead for good because they had destroyed his keys to immortality by destroying the Horcruxes. Especially in this last book there was a real war going on with a lot of casualties. I didn't think very much of anything in here was really "easily" done.
Originally Posted by Blade
I don't, however, understand why you think the series should remain dark? To use LoTRings as an example, while Frodo had some melancholy and the elves left the land, it had a pretty upbeat ending after quite a lot of darkness. They defeated the great evil, they get to enjoy the fruits of their work. That's prety basic fantasy storytelling there.
Originally Posted by Blade
I guess if you want to say that the epilogue did not show that there were still bad wizards around, then I can see your point, but I felt the epilogue was at least partly meant as a kind of wave goodbye to characters that the readers and the author have grown pretty attached to over the years, so that intimations of hard times having been overcome or that were yet to come would have been kind of besides the point. Do you really think that anyone reading the series would think that there wouldn't be bad or evil people in the world again, and needed to be reminded that there would be in the epilogue?
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Originally Posted by shifrbv
But isn't this a major inconsistency and doesn't this go against everything JK adamantly stated about all of the wizards? Once they were gone, there was no coming back. What exactly did Harry sacrifice? Nothing as far as I can see. He had his life, he got to have a future. I don't see how anyone can argue that Harry sacrificed anything. The only thing he ever lost was his parents but that didn't make him special. Alot of other kids were in the same boat.
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Did anyone guess that the books take place in the 90's?
On page 328 (Chapter 16 - Godric's Hallow), we see the grave of Lily & James who died 31 October 1981. Since Harry is 17 in book 7, the final book takes place in 1997. Whoda thunk it?! Of course it helps explain why Dudley owning technology is hardly mentioned (computer, internet, etc.).
I do believe it is the only time we are shown a date that points to the actual time in history that the stories take place.
On page 328 (Chapter 16 - Godric's Hallow), we see the grave of Lily & James who died 31 October 1981. Since Harry is 17 in book 7, the final book takes place in 1997. Whoda thunk it?! Of course it helps explain why Dudley owning technology is hardly mentioned (computer, internet, etc.).
I do believe it is the only time we are shown a date that points to the actual time in history that the stories take place.
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Going back to book 2, at Nearly Headless Nick's 500th Deathday party, they have a cake w/ a tombstone on it that says 1492. I wondered if she would reference a year anywhere else and she did. This would make Harry roughly 6 months younger than my wife... I kinda like that.
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Originally Posted by shifrbv
But isn't this a major inconsistency and doesn't this go against everything JK adamantly stated about all of the wizards? Once they were gone, there was no coming back. What exactly did Harry sacrifice? Nothing as far as I can see. He had his life, he got to have a future. I don't see how anyone can argue that Harry sacrificed anything. The only thing he ever lost was his parents but that didn't make him special. Alot of other kids were in the same boat.
There are alot of things about the entire Harry/V plotline that continue to not make sense to me the more I think about it.
A big one I was just thinking about was that horcruxes had to be deliberately created. They just don't happen by accident. If they did, I'm sure that there were plenty of people who V killed who had someone who loved them just as much. Are we to believe that no one else did? Either V knew Harry was a horcrux or he didn't (which I don't see how he could not have as he could see into Harry's mind). I think he knew because Lily pleaded "not him" which seemed to me she knew what might go down and tried to put some protection on. Even if it was an accident, everyone else knew. That being the case, why would V EVER want Harry to die? It doesn't make sense. He wanted to protect everything that might have had a part of him in it. It was a must for him to be immortal. He should have wanted Harry captured and hidden away for eternity. That would have been the smartest. Kept him locked away from everyone who could have told him the truth and maybe even raised him in a brainwashed state to be a follower of his. I can see why Dumbledore's side would need Harry to die. He had to to get rid of V. But V would have never wanted it if things were being done logically.
A big one I was just thinking about was that horcruxes had to be deliberately created. They just don't happen by accident. If they did, I'm sure that there were plenty of people who V killed who had someone who loved them just as much. Are we to believe that no one else did? Either V knew Harry was a horcrux or he didn't (which I don't see how he could not have as he could see into Harry's mind). I think he knew because Lily pleaded "not him" which seemed to me she knew what might go down and tried to put some protection on. Even if it was an accident, everyone else knew. That being the case, why would V EVER want Harry to die? It doesn't make sense. He wanted to protect everything that might have had a part of him in it. It was a must for him to be immortal. He should have wanted Harry captured and hidden away for eternity. That would have been the smartest. Kept him locked away from everyone who could have told him the truth and maybe even raised him in a brainwashed state to be a follower of his. I can see why Dumbledore's side would need Harry to die. He had to to get rid of V. But V would have never wanted it if things were being done logically.
As to your first point though, I agree that is quite a coincidence. It does seem unlikely that Harry's mom was the first person to ever sacrifice her own life to keep him from killing someone. Or even one of his followers running into the same situation. I could explain this away by saying that prior to Harry his targets were probably not as well protected and that the number of people he killed really wasn't that great, so the opportunities for a situation like this were not that great, but ultimately I think this is just something you have to accept as part of the premise of the story.
Arrogance/cockyness does not equal stupidity. In the beginning, V told himself he must be much more careful. Yet, nothing of the sort happened. We are to believe that someone who was coming so close to their dreams would make blunder after blunder all the while telling themselves they must do better? We are to believe that someone like this would never think someone else might want to challenge his power and think about destroying the last horcrux to do it? I must live in a different reality.
I don't see how anyone can say that he would be gone for good. Harry DID NOT die, so the horcrux should not have been extinguished. It can't just evaporate. It has to be killed. You can't have it both ways. Harry should not have ever had the choice to come back if JK stayed consistent. That is what I thought should happen because he was always the tragic hero. Marked for death from the very beginning, but JK didn't have the guts.
This is not the same at LOTR. You have a group of fairly homogeneous people (all wizards - whether part human or not) (unlike LOTR where the dark wizard was creating his army in a workshop) and they all live and work together. Half of the wizarding world was following V. We are to believe that these evil people just faded away and no one aspired to fill the vacuum? I really felt it was doing a disservice to the message in the books. The main premise was good vs. evil. To just tell people that evil can "disappear" with one death and that everyone else will live happily ever after was not the message I would have sent.
I don't know where I would have shown it. But when half the wizarding world was ready to follow one man and overrun the other half, it shouldnt' have been handled so lightly.
I don't know where I would have shown it. But when half the wizarding world was ready to follow one man and overrun the other half, it shouldnt' have been handled so lightly.
I think a good point you make here is that the Wizarding world got complacent/foolish very quickly the first time V. died and paid a price by making it possible for V. to rise to power again so quickly upon his return. I do think, however, that the books made this point throughout the entire series. Not including some kind of reference to this is definitely a weakness in the delivery of the conclusion of her story, but I think it's safe to assume that Harry, Ron, Hermione and the people who made up the Order of the Phoenix and Dumbledore's Army wouldn't sit around and let things be handled so shabbily this time around. As such, I don't feel it breaks the story for me.
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Originally Posted by rfduncan
Did anyone guess that the books take place in the 90's?
On page 328 (Chapter 16 - Godric's Hallow), we see the grave of Lily & James who died 31 October 1981. Since Harry is 17 in book 7, the final book takes place in 1997. Whoda thunk it?! Of course it helps explain why Dudley owning technology is hardly mentioned (computer, internet, etc.).
I do believe it is the only time we are shown a date that points to the actual time in history that the stories take place.
On page 328 (Chapter 16 - Godric's Hallow), we see the grave of Lily & James who died 31 October 1981. Since Harry is 17 in book 7, the final book takes place in 1997. Whoda thunk it?! Of course it helps explain why Dudley owning technology is hardly mentioned (computer, internet, etc.).
I do believe it is the only time we are shown a date that points to the actual time in history that the stories take place.
Some people have put waaaaay too much thought into these books!
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I have read it twice in a row and I think the book is just the most amazing ending of the series. It's all I could have hoped for. I got all stupid sentimental both times reading the last few chapters and how brave all the kids were and I just love this series. I was afraid the ending was going to be a big letdown but I was wrong to ever doubt JK.