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Old 07-18-07, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RayChuang
If the leaked copy is more or less what we'll see Saturday, I'm glad that--

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J K Rowling was true to her word from a talk at a booksigning in 1999 and let Harry, Ron and Hermione live. There would have been ridiculous outcry if any of the trio died in this book, making Rowling the most infamous English-language author since Arthur Conan Doyle, who tried to kill off the Sherlock Holmes character.
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Old 07-18-07, 09:11 AM
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I pulled the book off my newsgroup Sunday night and read through the entire thing yesterday. Fantastic ending to the series.
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I've seen spoilers abounding everywhere for the book. I, in fact, read the first two chapters of the scanned book, hopelessly trying to avoid them, until I gave up at the indicipherable first page of chapter 3.

Since then, I've seen repeatedly posted the lists of who dies at what page, etc. Typically, hidden in totally unrelated posts. All from people with no real interest in the series and hoping to spoil the book for its readers. And yet, the funny thing is that even if its real and not a hoax, it really spoils little.

That's the great thing about the series. They are practically unspoilerable. The allure of the books has always been less in the "what" then the "why." They have always been more about the characters and details, and less about the narrative. That's why the Chris Columbus movies are pretty much duds. He tried sticking to the narrative so much that the best parts were left behind. Ultimately, I'm less interested in whether Harry lives or dies than I am in what he has evolved into by book's end.

But that said, and it pains me to say this, I must admit that I was terribly underwhelmed by those first two chapters. They don't really read like Rowlings. They are sparse on detail and heavy on dialogue. So its my hope that it is a hoax, or at least, improves from that point on.

Because the only thing that can really spoil the book is poor writing.
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Rowling has never been a GREAT writer - she has been a truly successful writer, one of the most successful in a long time. So it isn't surprising that the ending is very predicable.

In fact, it NEEDS to be predictable to continue the success - anything edgy, different, or unique would disenfranchise too many people - and this has been one of the most successful marketing vehicles since pet rocks (more so, money wise).

Oh, anyone got a copy of the book in pdf or scanned form? Let me know - yeah - I can't wait.... ha!
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Originally Posted by nuff
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Do we know who Victoire is? It says a cousin but I was not sure whose?
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Given the Frankish spelling, I'm guessing Fleur and Bill's kid
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Originally Posted by Lecithin
Wow! I just got this book in the mail today and my daughter was wondering why we got it before the official release!

I assume you've read it... so, WITHOUT SPOILERS!! thumbs up or thumbs down?

tks
Old 07-18-07, 09:07 PM
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Well, I read it.

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I didnt really like it. There were a lot of boring parts in the middle, IMO. I didn't like how they would go to some place and sit there for weeks. And the stupid fight with Ron? Been there, done that.
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You didn't like
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Osama bin Potter living in the wilderness and the return of emoRon? I'll admit that when I first read through, it felt like they spent a lot of time wandering around not accomplishing anything, but in terms of page count Rowling was quite economical in compressing things.
Old 07-18-07, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I assume you've read it... so, WITHOUT SPOILERS!! thumbs up or thumbs down?

tks

My daughter snagged first reading rights, so I will have to wait, but she gives it a thumbs up already.
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I have no intention of reading this book, but I would love to know the big spoiler for the book so I can ruin it for the asshole I work with. Nothing against people that like Potter, but this guy is a real ass.
Old 07-19-07, 12:12 AM
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I have no intention of reading this book, but I would love to know the big spoiler for the book so I can ruin it for the asshole I work with. Nothing against people that like Potter, but this guy is a real ass.
If you really must, show him this:

Spoiler:
Old 07-19-07, 08:09 AM
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if you live in or around NYC, there are stores selling it

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/bo...DjNse5kGqS1EJA

For Harry Potter, Good Old-Fashioned Closure
By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
So, here it is at last: the final confrontation between Harry Potter, the Boy Who Lived, the Chosen One, the “symbol of hope” for both the Wizard and Muggle worlds, and Lord Voldemort, He Who Must Not Be Named, the nefarious leader of the Death Eaters and would-be ruler of all. Good versus Evil. Love versus Hate. The Seeker versus the Dark Lord.

J.K. Rowling’s monumental, spell-binding epic, 10 years in the making, is deeply rooted in traditional literature and Hollywood sagas — from the Greek myths to Dickens and Tolkien to Star Wars — and true to its roots, it ends not with modernist, Soprano-esque equivocation, but with good old-fashioned closure: a big screen, heart-racing, bone-chilling confrontation and an epilogue that clearly lays out people’s fates. Getting to the finish line is not seamless — the last portion of the final book has some lumpy passages of exposition and a couple of clunky detours — but the overall conclusion of the series and its determination of the main characters’ storylines possess a convincing inevitability that make some of the pre-publication speculation seem curiously blinkered in retrospect.

With each installment, the Potter series has grown increasingly dark, and this volume — a copy of which was purchased at a New York City retail outlet today, although the book is embargoed for release until 12:01 a.m. this Saturday — is no exception. While Ms. Rowling’s astonishingly limber voice still moves effortlessly between Ron’s adolescent sarcasm and Harry’s growing solemnity, from youthful exuberance to more philosophical gravity, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows” is, for the most part, a somber book that marks Harry’s final initiation into the complexities and sadnesses of adulthood.

From his first days at Hogwarts, the young, green-eyed boy bore the burden of his destiny as a leader, coping with the expectations and duties of his role, and in this volume he is clearly more Henry V than Prince Hal, more King Arthur than young Wart: high-spirited war games of Quidditch have given way to real war, and Harry often wishes he were not the de facto leader of the Resistance movement, shouldering terrifying responsibilities, but an ordinary teenage boy — free to romance Ginny Weasley and hang out with his friends.

Harry has already lost his parents, his godfather Sirius and his teacher Professor Dumbledore (all mentors he might have once received instruction from), and in this volume the losses mount with unnerving speed: at least half a dozen characters we have come to know die in these pages, and many others are wounded or tortured. Voldemort and his followers have infiltrated Hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic, creating havoc and terror in both the Wizard and Muggle worlds alike, and the members of various populations — including elves, goblins and centaurs — are choosing up sides.

No wonder then that Harry often seems overwhelmed with disillusionment and doubt in the final installment of this seven-volume bildungsroman. Harry continues to struggle to control his temper, and as he and Ron and Hermione search for the missing Horcruxes (secret magical objects in which Voldemort has stashed parts of his soul, objects that Harry must destroy if he hopes to kill the evil lord), he literally enters a dark wood, in which he must do battle not only with the Death Eaters, but also with the temptations of hubris and despair.

Harry’s weird psychic connection with Voldemort (symbolized by the lightning-bolt forehead scar he bears, as a result of the Dark Lord’s attack on him when he was a baby) seems to have grown stronger too, giving him clues to Voldemort’s actions and whereabouts, even as it lures him ever closer to the dark side. One of the plot’s key turning points concerns Harry’s decision whether to continue looking for the Horcruxes — the mission assigned to him by the late Dumbledore — or whether to pursue, instead, three magical objects known as the Hallows, which are said to make their possessor the master of Death.

Harry’s journey will propel him forwards to a final showdown with his archenemy, and also send him backwards into the past, back to the house in Godric’s Hollow where his parents died, to learn about his own family history and the equally mysterious history of Dumbledore’s family. At the same time, he will be forced to ponder the equation between fraternity and independence, free will and fate, and to come to terms with his own frailties and those of others. Indeed, ambiguities proliferate throughout “The Deathly Hallows”: we are made to see that kindly Dumbledore, sinister Severus Snape and perhaps even awful Muggle cousin Dudley Dursley may be more complicated than they initially seem, that all of them, like Harry himself, have hidden aspects to their personalities, and that choice — more than talent or predisposition — matters most of all.

It is Ms. Rowling’s achievement in this series that she manages to make Harry both a familiar adolescent — coping with the banal frustrations of school and dating — and an epic hero, kin to everyone from the young King Arthur to Spiderman and Luke Skywalker. This same magpie talent has enabled her to create a narrative that effortlessly mixes up allusions to Homer, Milton, Shakespeare and Kafka, with silly kid jokes about vomit-flavored candies, a narrative that fuses a plethora of genres (from the boarding school novel to the detective story to the epic quest) into a story that could be Exhibit A in a Joseph Campbell survey of mythic archetypes.

In doing so, J.K. Rowling has created a world as fully detailed as L. Frank Baum’s “Oz” or J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Middle Earth,” a world so minutely imagined in terms of its history and rituals and rules that it qualifies as an alternate universe — which may be one of the reasons the Potter books have spawned such a passionate following and such fervent exegesis.

With this final volume, the reader realizes that small incidents and asides in earlier installments (hidden among a huge number of red herrings) create a breadcrumb trail of clues to the plot, that Ms. Rowling has fitted together the jigsaw puzzle pieces of this long undertaking with Dickensian ingenuity and ardor. Objects and spells from earlier books — like the invisibility cloak, Polyjuice Potion, Dumbledore’s Pensieve and Sirius’ flying motorcycle — will play important roles in this volume, and characters encountered before like the house elf Dobby and Mr. Ollivander the wandmaker will resurface, too.

The world of Harry Potter is a place where the mundane and the marvelous, the ordinary and the surreal co-exist. It’s a place where cars can fly and owls can deliver the mail, a place where paintings talk and a mirror reflects people’s innermost desires. It’s also a place utterly recognizable to readers, a place where death and the catastrophes of daily life are inevitable, and people’s lives are defined by love and loss and hope — the same way they are in our own mortal world.
Old 07-19-07, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
If you really must, show him this:

Spoiler:

Interesting - so who would be the "two major characters who died"? Sounds like one major character and others. (Voldemort doesn't count, says I)
Old 07-19-07, 09:59 PM
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Interesting - so who would be the "two major characters who died"? Sounds like one major character and others. (Voldemort doesn't count, says I)
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There really aren't two major characters that die. It's Voldemort and Snape, I suppose, but it's really a host of secondary characters.
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Rowling never said anything about two major characters dying -- she said she decided to kill off two people that she'd originally intended to live, and let one live who was supposed to die. Lots of people die in this one.
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Okay. I am confused. People on the first page were saying that Snape lives and becomes headmaster of Hogwarts. Now some people are saying Snape dies. Which is it?

Hedwig and Dobby die too? Seriously? How big a part does Dobby play? I wonder if this will screw up the movie since the only movie he has been in is Chamber of Secrets.

Edited to add: I just read on another forum that the sorting hat dies too. WTF? That is hilarious.

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Old 07-20-07, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by taffer
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Okay. I am confused. People on the first page were saying that Snape lives and becomes headmaster of Hogwarts. Now some people are saying Snape dies. Which is it?

Hedwig and Dobby die too? Seriously? How big a part does Dobby play? I wonder if this will screw up the movie since the only movie he has been in is Chamber of Secrets.

Edited to add: I just read on another forum that the sorting hat dies too. WTF? That is hilarious.
I've read it, many spoilers below

Spoiler:

Snape does become Headmaster, while Voldemort is running things, he's eventually killed by Voldemort himself (because Voldemort doesnt understand things as clearly as he thinks). Snapes motivation for Half Blood Prince are made clear.

Hedwig dies by accident early in the book during their escape from Death Eaters at Privet Dr. Dobby is sent to rescue Harry, Ron, Hermione and others, he's killed by Bellatrix Lestrange.

The Sorting Hat doesn't "die", Voldemort thinks he's won and he puts the hat on Neville and sets it on fire.

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Just finished it.


Loved it.

Happy with the way it ended.
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Why the hell is it going on sale at 12:01? Why not 12:00?
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Why the hell is it going on sale at 12:01? Why not 12:00?
Are you seriously getting impatient over having to wait an entire minute longer?
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I thought it was brilliant! I just finished it and am very happy with the way it ended.

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can someone put the ending in spoilers.. i dont plan on reading it
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Harry lives, marries Ginny, and they have three children named James, Lily, and Albus Severus. Hermione and Ron marry and have kids named Rose and Hugo. Draco marries someone, goes bald, and has a son named Scorpius who's in the same year as Albus Severus. Fanfic writers rejoice at the possibility of slash fiction involving Al and Scorp, henseforth to be known as AS/S.
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara
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Harry lives, marries Ginny, and they have three children named James, Lily, and Albus Severus. Hermione and Ron marry and have kids named Rose and Hugo. Draco marries someone, goes bald, and has a son named Scorpius who's in the same year as Albus Severus. Fanfic writers rejoice at the possibility of slash fiction involving Al and Scorp, henseforth to be known as AS/S.

boooooorrrrriiiinnnnnnggggg
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I assume you've read it... so, WITHOUT SPOILERS!! thumbs up or thumbs down?
Big thumbs up from me. It actually exceeded my expectations.

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