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BoatDrinks 05-10-01 08:45 PM

I noticed that Robert Crais' Elvis Cole character and Michael Connelly's Harry Bosch both live on Woodrow Wilson drive in the Hollywood Hills.

It got me thinking how cool it would be to see these two characters meet up in a novel.

I was wondering if that has ever happened? Has one author's character ever appeared in another author's novel?

Boot 05-10-01 09:23 PM

Well if you count whatsername's sequel to Gone with the Wind. I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

Alien Redrum 05-10-01 10:54 PM

Great thread!
 
Wow, I would love to see some authors combine there works. Kay Scarpetta could work with Harry Bosch. Repairman Jack would fit in with a King novel.

The possiblities (sp?) are endless.

Now my mind is cookin' :D

-Steve

Kelric 05-11-01 08:43 AM

Happens occasionally in some "shared worlds" novels, things like Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, etc.

Outside of that I can't think of any.

tor_greg 05-11-01 05:57 PM

Flagg, in Steven King books

Alien Redrum 05-11-01 07:58 PM


Originally posted by tor_greg
Flagg, in Steven King books
King has tons of crossovers! I always enjoy it when King (or any author) unexpectedly brings a character from one book into another. But I think Boatdrinks is looking more for crossovers of characters by different authors.

-Steve

corsairp47 05-12-01 12:12 AM

Bret Easton Ellis and some of his fellow 'brat pack' writers occasionally had characters cross over. There are a couple of crossovers in 'American Psycho'--Bateman's brother and a minor character named Vanden were from other Ellis books, and Allison Poole belongs to another writer entirely, I forget which.

And then there's Heinlein, who brings most all his characters (and some of L. Frank Baum's) together in 'The Number of the Beast'.


BoatDrinks 05-12-01 12:37 AM


Originally posted by tictacboy
But I think Boatdrinks is looking more for crossovers of characters by different authors.

In Ed McMahon's voice: You are correct, sir!

:D

Capple 05-12-01 04:57 PM

Weis and Hickman put Fizban in a lot of their books. Sometimes he is Zifnab, Fizban, and/or the god Paladine. I think he was in at least 3 different series.

FREEJG 05-14-01 12:07 AM

Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys met up in a specially created series. Not that I read that kid stuff or anything. :blush:

[Edited by FREEJG on 05-13-01 at 11:03 PM]

Seeker 03-12-02 05:31 PM

Looking at a plot, DIFFERENTLY!
 
Has anyone read "Wicked" by Gregory Maguire... I haven't, but I saw it today --- it's a totally "different" viewpoint about the wicked witch of the west in the land of Oz.

Made me think --- what good books are out there that turn a familiar tale or person on its head by telling the story differently...?

One that occurs to me that I HAVE read is the "Merlin" series by Mary Stewart...


any others in this genre?

jookie 03-13-02 10:37 AM

Not sure if this is what you want, but it came to my mind. The Prayer of Jabez by Bruce H. Wilkinson takes a rather small character from the Bible and creates a story from it. I have heard that the book has had a profound effect on some people although I have not read it myself.

ziggy 03-13-02 02:34 PM

Cassandra, by Krista Wolf (I think) tells the story of the trojan war from the view point of cassandra - intermingled with the view point of Krista Wolf entering into the ruins of Greece - i.e. their identities become somewhat confused in a stream-of-consciousness sort of way. Good book, though I know some people that didn't like it.

Groucho 03-13-02 02:37 PM

Not a book, but the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead focuses on two minor characters from "Hamlet."

Darren H 03-14-02 08:08 AM

This has become a standard device for postmodern writers who set out to deliberately tear down old conventions by questioning the supposed "universality" of canonical writers, who are often white, male, and wealthy.

One of the more famous novels that does this is Wide Saragasso Sea by Jean Rhys, which rewrites Jane Eyre from the perspective of Bertha, the madwoman in the attic. It's a beautiful novel.

Also, Kathy Acker has rewritten several familiar stories from a feminist perspective, for instance, Pu**y, King of the Pirates (Treasure Island).

I guess John Barth's The Sot-Weed Factor and Donald Bartheleme's Snow White would count, as would the novels of Ishmael Reed. His novel, Flight to Canada, satirizes Uncle Tom's Cabin and is one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Hablando 03-14-02 11:51 AM

John Gardener's Grendel. Speaking of Hamlet, John Updike retold it from Gertrude's POV, I believe, in a recent book. Full title escapes me, but it contains "Gertrude."

Charlie Goose 03-14-02 01:23 PM


Originally posted by Hablando
John Gardener's Grendel. Speaking of Hamlet, John Updike retold it from Gertrude's POV, I believe, in a recent book. Full title escapes me, but it contains "Gertrude."
Gertrude and Claudius, if I remember correctly.

http://charliegoose.homestead.com/files/goose.jpg Honk!

benedict 04-11-02 06:29 PM


Originally posted by Hablando
John Gardener's Grendel.
As a teenager I read a John <A HREF="http://home1.gte.net/tomchat/gardner.htm" target="_blank">Gardner</a> novel using as its anti-hero a certain Moriarty from the Holmes <A HREF="http://www.schoolandholmes.com/canonical.html" target="_blank">canon</a>!

Going off at a tangent, having just watched a repeated episode of the UK dramatisation featuring Jeremy Brett (the episode where he returns three years after going missing - presumed dead - at the Reychenbach Falls) does anyone know if any enterprising author ever filled in the whole of those three blank years; perhaps using the information ascribed to Holmes in "The Adventure of The Empty House" following his return?

<i>I travelled for two years in Tibet, therefore, and amused myself by visiting Lhassa, and spending some days with the head lama. You may have read of the remarkable explorations of a Norwegian named Sigerson, but I am sure that it never occurred to you that you were receiving news of your friend. I then passed through Persia, looked in at Mecca, and paid a short but interesting visit to the Khalifa at Khartoum, the results of which I have communicated to the Foreign Office. Returning to France, I spent some months in a research into the coal-tar derivatives, which I conducted in a laboratory at Montpellier, in the south of France.</i>
I just did a search and found that one Jamyang Norba produced "The Mandala of Sherlock Holmes" as a result of the Tibet part of the above quotation....

littlefuzzy 04-11-02 11:11 PM


Originally posted by benedict
As a teenager I read a John <A HREF="http://home1.gte.net/tomchat/gardner.htm" target="_blank">Gardner</a> novel using as its anti-hero a certain Moriarty from the Holmes <A HREF="http://www.schoolandholmes.com/canonical.html" target="_blank">canon</a>!
Carole Nelson Douglas also took a minor character from a Sherlock Holmes story, and turned it into a 5 book series (with another due in the fall.) The books are called the Irene Adler mysteries, based on the SH story 'A Scandal in Bohemia.' (Good Night Mr. Holmes, Good Morning Irene, Irene at Large, Irene's Last Waltz, Chapel Noir, and Castle Rouge.) She also did a couple of romances (Crystal Days and Crystal Nights) which were almost mysteries instead, but the publisher hacked into standard series romances. She then made a mystery series (the Midnight Louie Mysteries series with titles like A Cat on a Blue Monday, etc.) that intertwined with the characters in the romances, and was able to bring out the romances the way she had originally written them (broken into a 4 book series called A Midnight Louie Las Vegas Adventure, with titles like The Cat and the King of Clubs, etc.)

Piers Anthony wrote a series of books called 'Incarnations of Immortality,' following the lives and interactions of various supernatural "incarnations" such as Death, War, Fate, Nature, Time, Good, and Evil. The main character in one book was a supporting character in the next, with overlapping time periods.

benedict 10-02-04 06:34 AM

This was a pair of cool topics that might benefit from a second look!


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