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js2shops 08-31-16 11:51 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
Phantom-I could be wrong, but I think DVD/CD is like books...once it gets "sold" to a retailer/distributor, that already counts as a sale in terms of accounting, at least for royalties. I think when it gets returned (usually on credit for the retailer as unsold) is when it gets the slash. That's how it works for books, as legally they cannot sell it as a "new" product even though it was unsold.

I would LOVE to have an industry lawyer/accountant give me the lowdown on the particulars of that.

laidbacklarkin 09-01-16 12:06 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
But seriously, what's with this intense scrutiny on slashed UPCs ? As long as it's not the disc that's slashed, can't the condition of the cover be overlooked owing to its bargain pricing ? I mean, really who cares about a 1 inch slash on the back of a DVD case, when it in no way affects the viewing experience ?

AaronSch 09-01-16 01:13 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by laidbacklarkin (Post 12887073)
But seriously, what's with this intense scrutiny on slashed UPCs ? As long as it's not the disc that's slashed, can't the condition of the cover be overlooked owing to its bargain pricing ? I mean, really who cares about a 1 inch slash on the back of a DVD case, when it in no way affects the viewing experience ?

Yeah, a slashed UPC isn't as much an issue as a beat up insert. You can buy Viva Elite and Vortex cases for around 50 via Discmakers and pop that insert in the sleeve and the slash through the insert is a non-issue. I purchased titles from Hamilton books for $5-$6 that are typically priced at $10-$13 via Amazon.

GoldenWheels 09-01-16 11:16 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by MooMooMooMoo (Post 12884244)
Does anyone know if they have an email "Newsletter"/sale list sign up? I don't see one.

Pretty picked over for me, but I suspect they could be a good resource based on what I am seeing at the link posted above.

We are working on a New Arrivals style email but we're in a weird spot...we need to protect our catalog customer, they built the business. And they're largely saddled with snail mail, both for the catalog out and order in. If I let everybody on the web in on the good stuff day 1, you guys are smart to the market, and you wisely pick off the best bargains/OOPs etc, sometimes before the snail mailers even have the catalog! We're trying to figure out a fair way to serve both groups.


Originally Posted by g (Post 12886061)
I got my shipment of Warner titles and some of them are slashed on the barcode and some just have a sticker on the barcode.. But I guess that explains the great price. I probably would have bought anyway, but they should note it in the description. I bought from them before and hadn't got many of those. But Warner has their way of doing things. As you find this kind of thing at Big lots too.

I'm sorry about that g, we don't do a good job on that but if there's no * on a title, you have to assume it could have a remainder mark of some sort. When we came up in the book world, this was a known thing ("bargain books" meant a remainder mark, period) but as we moved into DVD/Blu (and into a modern age!) with newer customers we haven't gotten it across well.


Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12886634)
Smaller distributors don't have the complicated talent deals where each sold copy directly translates to extra money for the director or lead actor. Most Hollywood studio movies have strict accounting for each unit sold, which is why the studios are obsessed about making sure cut-outs don't count as a unit sale.


Originally Posted by js2shops (Post 12887063)
Phantom-I could be wrong, but I think DVD/CD is like books...once it gets "sold" to a retailer/distributor, that already counts as a sale in terms of accounting, at least for royalties. I think when it gets returned (usually on credit for the retailer as unsold) is when it gets the slash. That's how it works for books, as legally they cannot sell it as a "new" product even though it was unsold.

I would LOVE to have an industry lawyer/accountant give me the lowdown on the particulars of that.

I'm actually not sure myself...I think studios are stuck taking returns and they DON'T count as sales for royalties purposes. But that's above my level! (we do NO returns, vendors love us for it)

Remainder marks/cutouts also are simply to keep a title from being returned for a full credit at a store or vendor that may be selling it for more than the new bargain/overstock price, allowing an unscrupulous guy/company to make a few bucks by buying bargain and returning as new.

GoldenWheels 09-01-16 11:20 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
And thanks for the thread guys, seriously! I am trying to expand blu but the bargain market for it is not great, period, and on big studio stuff it's near impossible for me to beat the 5$ prices you'll find on Amazon.

But with the smaller guys like Kino and Shout etc, I work hard to build up a good relationship and buy up as much of their OS as possible when it is shown to me, and price it right so I can move it fast. There are opportunities there to be had. I should hit up Code Red actually, haven't done that in a while.

laidbacklarkin 09-01-16 12:01 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by GoldenWheels (Post 12887320)
And thanks for the thread guys, seriously! I am trying to expand blu but the bargain market for it is not great, period, and on big studio stuff it's near impossible for me to beat the 5$ prices you'll find on Amazon.

But with the smaller guys like Kino and Shout etc, I work hard to build up a good relationship and buy up as much of their OS as possible when it is shown to me, and price it right so I can move it fast. There are opportunities there to be had. I should hit up Code Red actually, haven't done that in a while.

Awesome news !! Keep the updates coming...just mailed in a $150 catalog order

GoldenWheels 09-01-16 01:41 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by laidbacklarkin (Post 12887354)
Awesome news !! Keep the updates coming...just mailed in a $150 catalog order


Thank YOU! :)

PhantomStranger 09-02-16 12:03 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by js2shops (Post 12887063)
Phantom-I could be wrong, but I think DVD/CD is like books...once it gets "sold" to a retailer/distributor, that already counts as a sale in terms of accounting, at least for royalties. I think when it gets returned (usually on credit for the retailer as unsold) is when it gets the slash. That's how it works for books, as legally they cannot sell it as a "new" product even though it was unsold.

I would LOVE to have an industry lawyer/accountant give me the lowdown on the particulars of that.

Hollywood accounting is an arcane entity unto itself. Each guild in Hollywood (producers, writers, actors, etc) has very strict rules written into the standard contracts negotiated over the decades about the limits of allowed cut-outs and other contractual legalities.

Brian T 09-02-16 12:15 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by GoldenWheels (Post 12887314)
We're trying to figure out a fair way to serve both groups.

Any chance of adjusting your billing/shipping address fields to accommodate people with U.S. shipping addresses but Canadian (or other) billing addresses? Or a Paypal option? You're just about the only online seller of your type that I'd use that doesn't have either option, and it's prevented me from placing many multiple-hundred-dollar orders over the years. I can do a snail mail order but I see no guarantee that it would be accepted because of this, plus it's rather inconvenient when a simple drop down menu option to select "country" (for billing only, not necessarily shipping) would do the trick. :)

GoldenWheels 09-02-16 02:50 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 12887868)
Any chance of adjusting your billing/shipping address fields to accommodate people with U.S. shipping addresses but Canadian (or other) billing addresses? Or a Paypal option? You're just about the only online seller of your type that I'd use that doesn't have either option, and it's prevented me from placing many multiple-hundred-dollar orders over the years. I can do a snail mail order but I see no guarantee that it would be accepted because of this, plus it's rather inconvenient when a simple drop down menu option to select "country" (for billing only, not necessarily shipping) would do the trick. :)


We have been working on Paypal for months, and we are getting closer. We switched to them for credit card processing specifically so people could use Paypal. It's going to happen, I just can't say how soon. :thumbsup:

Cardsfan111 09-02-16 02:58 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
I placed a mail order just over a week ago. First time I've ordered like that, having placed a couple of online orders previously. My shipment came today, so I wanted to offer another :up: to the folks at Hamilton. Great prices and fast shipping. Very satisfied. :up:

Ky-Fi 09-02-16 08:34 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
I (and my family members) have ordered from Hamilton Books for about 25 years, I think. Fantastic service and quick shipping--and the catalogs are just plain fun to browse.

AaronSch 09-03-16 10:26 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
Just my two cents for what it's worth. This Hamilton Books thread should be a sticky albeit with a title change. There are incredibly good deals in addition to the Kino stuff. As soon as my first order arrives, likely Tuesday, I plan on placing a follow-up.

BobO'Link 09-03-16 02:15 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by AaronSch (Post 12888784)
Just my two cents for what it's worth. This Hamilton Books thread should be a sticky albeit with a title change. There are incredibly good deals in addition to the Kino stuff. As soon as my first order arrives, likely Tuesday, I plan on placing a follow-up.

FWIW there's a Hamilton thread in the DVD area. Goldenwheels regularly gives updates on noteworthy deals/titles he's acquired.

laidbacklarkin 09-13-16 07:49 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by GoldenWheels (Post 12887438)
Thank YOU! :)

Just received my $150 mail order. Well packed and super fast shipping. Thanks, Goldenwheels

EDIT: Two of the Warner DVD sets had deeply slashed UPCs and one of the BDs had a hole punched into the UPC. No issues but, cos the price is right

MooMooMooMoo 09-14-16 12:51 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
That's common in overstocks. Reason is so a retailer can't return it for regular wholesale credit.

GoldenWheels 09-14-16 11:13 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
Yeah, I am sorry about those marks larkin....book companies just use a marker, and in books that is a well known thing. Most of the DVD guys are pretty sedate with the overstock marks. But some get out a chainsaw it seems. One company drilled front to back on all the cases on one deal on me once...had to return those.

I'd like to explain that better to our customers; the catch 22 of that is if we put out a big explanation, which we've never done it is likely to confuse our older customers as they may think something has changed.

I actually saw a great infographic on remainder marks somewhere, maybe I can put that on the website.

laidbacklarkin 09-14-16 11:53 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
No issues at all, not EBH's anyway. Its such a wonderfully printed and packaged product box. You'd think they'd treat it with a lil more 'respect' than with a slash. I mean, if it were the 'Friday the 13th' series, a slash would be understandable :-)

davidh777 09-14-16 11:57 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
Just got my well-packed order of a number of good titles, including Kino's The Black Pirate, some classic sports movies, and the Samuel Fuller DVD collection mentioned earlier, which I've wanted for a while. :up:

Living Deadpan 09-14-16 01:05 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by GoldenWheels (Post 12898723)
Yeah, I am sorry about those marks larkin....book companies just use a marker, and in books that is a well known thing. Most of the DVD guys are pretty sedate with the overstock marks. But some get out a chainsaw it seems. One company drilled front to back on all the cases on one deal on me once...had to return those.

I'd like to explain that better to our customers; the catch 22 of that is if we put out a big explanation, which we've never done it is likely to confuse our older customers as they may think something has changed.

I actually saw a great infographic on remainder marks somewhere, maybe I can put that on the website.

Your explanations have been good enough for me! To summarize:
"Publishing status: Current" = Guaranteed not to have any marks
Anything not asterisked or designated Current = No guarantees, but you can figure out the slashing patterns of certain publishers.

I've never, ever ordered a Synapse title from HB that's been slashed, even the DVDs $1.95 or less. This includes the Panik House / CasaNegra DVDs = never received 'em slashed. The Man & The Monster unslashed for $1 is a steal!!

Also, a few recent $1.95 Blu-rays I've bought that weren't slashed:
-The Facility
-Female Convict Scorpion
-Masters of Horror S1 V4


A few labels to expect slashes from: MPI, IFC, Dark Sky

I've had good luck with no Kino DVDs arriving slashed.

Image Entertainment ~ 2/3 unslashed, 1/3 slashed (YMMV)

Of the major studios, I've had the best luck with Sony/Columbia titles being unslashed. As far as Warner goes, I buy their titles prepared for slashing.

laidbacklarkin 09-14-16 01:06 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 12898779)
Just got my well-packed order of a number of good titles, including Kino's The Black Pirate, some classic sports movies, and the Samuel Fuller DVD collection mentioned earlier, which I've wanted for a while. :up:

A couple of others I'd recommend at those prices (if you don't have them):
http://www.hamiltonbook.com/ronald-r...ial-collection
http://www.hamiltonbook.com/samuel-g...ilm-collection

laidbacklarkin 09-14-16 01:08 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by Living Deadpan (Post 12898855)
Your explanations have been good enough for me! To summarize:
"Publishing status: Current" = Guaranteed not to have any marks
Anything not asterisked or designated Current = No guarantees, but you can figure out the slashing patterns of certain publishers.

I've never, ever ordered a Synapse title from HB that's been slashed, even the DVDs $1.95 or less. This includes the Panik House / CasaNegra DVDs = never received 'em slashed. The Man & The Monster unslashed for $1 is a steal!!

Also, a few recent $1.95 Blu-rays I've bought that weren't slashed:
-The Facility
-Female Convict Scorpion
-Masters of Horror S1 V4


A few labels to expect slashes from: MPI, IFC, Dark Sky

I've had good luck with no Kino DVDs arriving slashed.

Image Entertainment ~ 2/3 unslashed, 1/3 slashed (YMMV)

Of the major studios, I've had the best luck with Sony/Columbia titles being unslashed. As far as Warner goes, I buy their titles prepared for slashing.

MPI and Dark Sky are Warner houses anyway, so slashed UPC's are to be expected on overstocks. Both the titles I received with slashed UPCs are Warner titles

GoldenWheels 09-14-16 03:05 PM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 
You guys are the BEST. Thank you for all the support. We're a bookseller but DVDs are my thing and one of the most fun parts of my job is getting a new list and raiding it to find all the good deals for you.

MooMooMooMoo 09-15-16 12:46 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by GoldenWheels (Post 12898723)
Yeah, I am sorry about those marks larkin....book companies just use a marker, and in books that is a well known thing. Most of the DVD guys are pretty sedate with the overstock marks. But some get out a chainsaw it seems. One company drilled front to back on all the cases on one deal on me once...had to return those.

I'd like to explain that better to our customers; the catch 22 of that is if we put out a big explanation, which we've never done it is likely to confuse our older customers as they may think something has changed.

I actually saw a great infographic on remainder marks somewhere, maybe I can put that on the website.

I'm a net retailer also; though I'm slowly shutting down due to awful business the last 3 years or so.

I had b&m stores in the 80's. I NEVER ran into anyone who minded cutouts until I started selling on the net. The anger at times was quite shocking. And my stores were not in a small town, they were in Seattle. Where truly no one cared.

Personally, I don't see the problem. I'll trade a slash in the upc for a 40-80% savings any day!

Spiderbite 09-15-16 07:13 AM

Re: Select Kino titles at Hamilton Book starting at $6.95
 

Originally Posted by MooMooMooMoo (Post 12899437)
I'm a net retailer also; though I'm slowly shutting down due to awful business the last 3 years or so.

I had b&m stores in the 80's. I NEVER ran into anyone who minded cutouts until I started selling on the net. The anger at times was quite shocking. And my stores were not in a small town, they were in Seattle. Where truly no one cared.

Personally, I don't see the problem. I'll trade a slash in the upc for a 40-80% savings any day!

I worked at a music store thru college and our most popular section was the cut-out bin. Granted, we, the employees, got the god stuff first but we sold tons of stuff out of the cut-out bin. That was usually the first thing people went to or asked for when they walked in the store.


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