Timber

https://www.newsarama.com/40356-fans...sodes-7-9.html

Holy shit...I think we should all be happy with what we got in The Last Jedi. Microbiotic???

PhantomStranger

Remember midichlorians? Lucas had the idea they were living organisms that created the Force or something. Each Force user had these micro organisms living in their blood. But this was an early idea that goes back to the 1980s. It's doubtful Lucas would have gone with that idea for a sequel trilogy in this century.

This is Disney using its marketing prowess to remind fans that Lucas keeping the franchise could have been just as terrible. Anything to distract from the growing hatred of Kathleen Kennedy by fans.

majorjoe23

So to distract from the now growing hatred of Kathleen Kennedy they planted this in a book that was likely finished sometime last year?

stvn1974

Disney sure is good at conspiracy stuff. Paying off critics for good reviews of Marvel films, bad reviews of DC films and now trying to save face with Kennedy. They probably shot those other two Kennedys and MLK too.

Some people really are fucking stupid.

milo bloom

Just a reminder that the midichlorians were never stated to be the source of The Force, only the antenna. What exactly was driving The Force to do all the things it was doing (like creating Anakin as a virgin birth and such) were still mysteries.

That bit about the microbiotics seems like it would be explaining that mystery, actually telling us about the life forms that were directing The Force to do what it did. I guess the next mystery would be *why* they told The Force to do those things.

I never had a big issue with the midichlorians, there was always stuff in the expanded universe (and even in the OT) that hinted at a genetic connection. But the actual source of The Force should remain a mystery. Too much further and you're getting into "why does God need a starship?" territory.

Draven

The midichlorians were a dumb idea. It's like explaining how Superman can fly with some dumb shit like his body generates anti-gravity nano-organisms or something equally ridiculous. Who cares? He can fly - that's all that needs to be said.

Kal-El

They're called Gravitons and he doesn't generate them so much as they're invisible elements existing in the universe that only his Kryptonian biology can harness.

Trevor

That super hearing is working today!

mcnabb

Many have wondered why Disney and Lucas split regarding his notes on the ST? Lucas said Disney wanted to make a movie for the fans, and he didn't want to do that (back on the Charlie Rose show in 2015). Now he mentions a broad macro/idea he had for the Trilogy that would tie into the 9 movie saga. Interested in what SW fans think?


https://www.slashfilm.com/george-luc...trilogy-plans/

Obi-Wanma

After reading that, I'm still glad that Star Wars is out of his hands.

dex14

Moved discussion from other thread into this one.

Abob Teff

Bullshit George. Your concepts since 1977 have been more fluid than the swamp waters of Dagobah. You may have always had a plan, but there has never “always been A plan”. Three trilogies, one trilogy, two trilogies said it all ... it was always the story to be told from the droids’ POV ... it was the story of good versus evil, of technocrats versus primitive societies ... or was it always the story of the Skywalker clan ... the three trilogies would each be generations of the Skywalkers ... or was it always the same central characters for one/three/six/nine movies?

Fuck, this shit just pushes my buttons. I don’t have any problem with admitting the concepts have changed ... people change over time, your views change over time, and your creative output is going to change. Is Spielberg the only one that admit this? This “I am the master and I always was” superiority complex of Lucas and Ridley Scott just makes them douche bags.

And don’t give me this “I never got to finish” bullshit either ... you CHOSE not to finish. Nobody took anything away from you. You CHOSE not to make any Star Wars movies for nearly 20 years. You CHOSE to sell it off. For fuck’s sake, you are not some sympathetic victim of an artist.

Josh-da-man

Jesus Christ...

It always blows my mind when the actual creators of these don't get their own creations. Look at Ridley Scott and Prometheus and Covenant. The more you explain away this stuff, the more you demystify it, the less interesting it becomes. Especially when your explanations are really fucking stupid.

Did we really want to know that the " Space Jockies" were geneticists who created the human race? Did we really want to know that the aliens were created by an android? Do we really want to know how the Force works in excruciating detail?

Mike86

Lucas was never going to make better films for the sequels than we’ve gotten and this pretty much proves it. The guy is so up his own ass.

It’s so funny because I’ve seen people trying to justify the prequels as better than they were initially given credit for suddenly and wanting to heap praise on him like he was this genius and like he’d have done so much better than The Last Jedi. Give me a break.

JeremyM

Hard to believe the guy that wrote the Yoda speech from Empire came up with this nonsense.

Timber

Really makes you wonder when Empire would've been without Kersner and Kasden.

Michael Corvin

Mixed feelings on this one. On the surface I kinda like the idea more than midichlorians. Taking the SW Universe into a microbial world? I'm down with that. It's not a bad idea... per se...if he started the sequel trilogy in 1984, or even dropped a line or alluded to it in the OT.

In 2018? Horrible idea. At this point you have multiple generations of SW fans that have their idea of what the Force is. Not only that but you have other authors, comics writers, game designers, animated show creators, etc. put their stamp on the universe and the Force. You can't change it 40 years after the fact. The Force is just, the Force.

It would garner the same ridicule as midichlorians in 1999. You can't change it, that late into the game without expecting a level of derision.

bluetoast

Corvin is right. People would have lapped this up if it was done in the 80s or early 90s. Including the people in this thread who saw the movies when they first came out.

mcnabb

I think that is the root of too many sequels is that there are two ways they usually come out: A total retread and you grab the viewer with nostalgia like Disney's ST (especially TFA). Or you make a total left turn just to make it different, but it's probably TOO different for everyone's taste.

I think the way I would sum up the PT vs ST: The PT has a better story, a more ambitious story with a lot going on in the backround with political maneuvering. But it's just horribly executed by Lucas, along with characters we don't care about, and too much CGI. The ST is the opposite where the movies are well done, the characters are likeable, the real locations are much better, but the story is just blah/unoriginal, as they feel like you're watching a good cover band at a bar.

Mike86

I don’t think the story of the prequels is all that great. I mean the entire trilogy is basically the fall of the Jedi and Anakin becoming Darth Vader. Most of the first two films and about half of the third are a bunch of filler garbage. Only the last act or so of the third film is where things really came together.

mcnabb

I actually like Palpatine's story/arc throughout the Trilogy as I'm probably in the minority of enjoying the political story/scenes. The problem for me is that Anakin's story/arc is just executed horribly (the turn scene in ROTS was a terrible scene) and that sunk the PT for me.

Josh-da-man

When I was ten the thought of combining Star Wars with Micronauts would have seemed totally awesome.

Now, not so much...

cultshock

Come on man, Vader vs. Baron Karza, it would be epic!

melasnus

No argument here...

Or here.

Michael Corvin

I wouldn't say it's a better story by any stretch, but it is more ambitious and attempting something different. Unfortunately it fails in every regard.

Again, he had potential but it was executed horribly. Not to mention either McDiarmid is a horrendous actor, or he was just directed poorly like everyone else in the PT.