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Walking Dead Mid-Season 8 Dead Pool
12-09-17, 03:19 PM
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Walking Dead Mid-Season 8 Dead Pool
We are almost to the mid-season break ... time for the sometime tradition!
Who is going to die on the last episode in 2017?
From Forbes:
Something Weird Is Going On With The Walking Dead's Allegedly 'Shocking' Finale
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc.../#36242bdf3f77
... even fans dedicated to uncovering the show’s secrets are being purposefully tight-lipped about Sunday’s episode.
Here’s a message (via Uproxx) from The Spoiling Dead, a site that is, as you can guess, dedicated to spoiling future developments on the show to the point where they’ve even faced legal threats from AMC before. But that’s not what’s going on here, they say:
“After careful consideration we have decided that we will not be providing a Q&A or any spoilery bits this week,” admins of The Spoiling Dead said. “AMC has been hyping a very shocking moment that will occur in this episode. I think most of us know this almost certainly means a death. We invite you to draw your own conclusions on what will happen. Review the spoiler journal, filming and discussion threads, and take what bits you can and try to put the pieces together.”
This is…weird. You would think a show dedicated to spoiling the show would have no qualms about revealing what happens here if they know it, but either it's such a big secret that they don’t know and are pretending they do, or they’re holding back the info for some other reason.
Who is going to die on the last episode in 2017?
From Forbes:
Something Weird Is Going On With The Walking Dead's Allegedly 'Shocking' Finale
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc.../#36242bdf3f77
... even fans dedicated to uncovering the show’s secrets are being purposefully tight-lipped about Sunday’s episode.
Here’s a message (via Uproxx) from The Spoiling Dead, a site that is, as you can guess, dedicated to spoiling future developments on the show to the point where they’ve even faced legal threats from AMC before. But that’s not what’s going on here, they say:
“After careful consideration we have decided that we will not be providing a Q&A or any spoilery bits this week,” admins of The Spoiling Dead said. “AMC has been hyping a very shocking moment that will occur in this episode. I think most of us know this almost certainly means a death. We invite you to draw your own conclusions on what will happen. Review the spoiler journal, filming and discussion threads, and take what bits you can and try to put the pieces together.”
This is…weird. You would think a show dedicated to spoiling the show would have no qualms about revealing what happens here if they know it, but either it's such a big secret that they don’t know and are pretending they do, or they’re holding back the info for some other reason.
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12-09-17, 08:44 PM
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That seems to be a popular theory.
Running that last Sheep game and listening to this week’s podcasts, I think I figured out one of the most aggravating “ground level” problems with TWD that almost goes all the way back to the beginning. They have introduced fascinating characters that potentially have amazing ethos to them, but then they don’t do a damned thing to develop that.
For example, Carol’s arc from Season 1 to now — the evolution from being a beat down mouse of a wife to the ultimate survivor she is now. The show flogs “you can come back” but doesn’t understand it. Of all the survivors, Carol has probably faced the most emotional scarring — from domestic abuse to losing children (one at her own hand) to the deaths of just about any emotional attachment — but the show doesn’t know how to tell her story.
Carl’s arc has been OK, but should be so much better. The show’s inability to portray the passage of time is a major flaw here. His should be the story of the growth, maturation, and possibly corruption of a child who is just old enough to remember a world before this. But since the show doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about time relative to the story, we just get whatever Carl is convenient for that week’s episode. A recast and time jump to a time when Carl is essentially John Connor would be interesting.
Father Gabriel — oh the depths of the human psyche that could have been explored with this character! Just at face value, how does a man of God make sense of the zombie apocalypse? How does he continue to try to spread the word of God and preach peace in a world that is only governed by violence and inhumanity? Add into that his actual backstory of locking his parishioners out of the church and listening to them get slaughtered ... instead he has just been an annoying peckerweed that runs the day care for Rick.
We complain about the constant moral yo-yo-ing of Morgan, Jesus, etc. but the failure to successfully explore the characters goes far beyond that. They have simply become pieces used to propel an extremely thin and meandering story forward.
I know many people hated the “mini-arc” of Governor backstory episodes years ago, but I think these were some of the best storytelling the show has ever done. Same with the mini Morgan movie (which had its flaws but the concept was solid). Even the little bit of screen time Alicia Witt’s one-and-done character had was well used to paint the picture of a meek sexually harassed secretary that became a survivor. Those are the things the show should be doing.
Running that last Sheep game and listening to this week’s podcasts, I think I figured out one of the most aggravating “ground level” problems with TWD that almost goes all the way back to the beginning. They have introduced fascinating characters that potentially have amazing ethos to them, but then they don’t do a damned thing to develop that.
For example, Carol’s arc from Season 1 to now — the evolution from being a beat down mouse of a wife to the ultimate survivor she is now. The show flogs “you can come back” but doesn’t understand it. Of all the survivors, Carol has probably faced the most emotional scarring — from domestic abuse to losing children (one at her own hand) to the deaths of just about any emotional attachment — but the show doesn’t know how to tell her story.
Carl’s arc has been OK, but should be so much better. The show’s inability to portray the passage of time is a major flaw here. His should be the story of the growth, maturation, and possibly corruption of a child who is just old enough to remember a world before this. But since the show doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about time relative to the story, we just get whatever Carl is convenient for that week’s episode. A recast and time jump to a time when Carl is essentially John Connor would be interesting.
Father Gabriel — oh the depths of the human psyche that could have been explored with this character! Just at face value, how does a man of God make sense of the zombie apocalypse? How does he continue to try to spread the word of God and preach peace in a world that is only governed by violence and inhumanity? Add into that his actual backstory of locking his parishioners out of the church and listening to them get slaughtered ... instead he has just been an annoying peckerweed that runs the day care for Rick.
We complain about the constant moral yo-yo-ing of Morgan, Jesus, etc. but the failure to successfully explore the characters goes far beyond that. They have simply become pieces used to propel an extremely thin and meandering story forward.
I know many people hated the “mini-arc” of Governor backstory episodes years ago, but I think these were some of the best storytelling the show has ever done. Same with the mini Morgan movie (which had its flaws but the concept was solid). Even the little bit of screen time Alicia Witt’s one-and-done character had was well used to paint the picture of a meek sexually harassed secretary that became a survivor. Those are the things the show should be doing.
12-09-17, 10:29 PM
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Speculation:
Now that would be fucked up...
Another possibility... You remember the flash-forward of red-eyed Rick quoting the Quran about how his mercy would prevail over his wrath? The assumption is that he would be talking about Negan or another Saviour. But what if it's someone close to Rick like Darryl who does something impulsive, stupid, and loose cannon and gets someone close to Rick killed? Darryl and Rick have certainly been clashing over tactics and ethics in recent episodes...
Spoiler:
Now that would be fucked up...
Another possibility... You remember the flash-forward of red-eyed Rick quoting the Quran about how his mercy would prevail over his wrath? The assumption is that he would be talking about Negan or another Saviour. But what if it's someone close to Rick like Darryl who does something impulsive, stupid, and loose cannon and gets someone close to Rick killed? Darryl and Rick have certainly been clashing over tactics and ethics in recent episodes...
12-09-17, 11:29 PM
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The ratings.
12-10-17, 12:16 AM
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12-10-17, 07:57 AM
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Re: Walking Dead Mid-Season 8 Dead Pool
That seems to be a popular theory.
Running that last Sheep game and listening to this week’s podcasts, I think I figured out one of the most aggravating “ground level” problems with TWD that almost goes all the way back to the beginning. They have introduced fascinating characters that potentially have amazing ethos to them, but then they don’t do a damned thing to develop that.
For example, Carol’s arc from Season 1 to now — the evolution from being a beat down mouse of a wife to the ultimate survivor she is now. The show flogs “you can come back” but doesn’t understand it. Of all the survivors, Carol has probably faced the most emotional scarring — from domestic abuse to losing children (one at her own hand) to the deaths of just about any emotional attachment — but the show doesn’t know how to tell her story.
Carl’s arc has been OK, but should be so much better. The show’s inability to portray the passage of time is a major flaw here. His should be the story of the growth, maturation, and possibly corruption of a child who is just old enough to remember a world before this. But since the show doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about time relative to the story, we just get whatever Carl is convenient for that week’s episode. A recast and time jump to a time when Carl is essentially John Connor would be interesting.
Father Gabriel — oh the depths of the human psyche that could have been explored with this character! Just at face value, how does a man of God make sense of the zombie apocalypse? How does he continue to try to spread the word of God and preach peace in a world that is only governed by violence and inhumanity? Add into that his actual backstory of locking his parishioners out of the church and listening to them get slaughtered ... instead he has just been an annoying peckerweed that runs the day care for Rick.
We complain about the constant moral yo-yo-ing of Morgan, Jesus, etc. but the failure to successfully explore the characters goes far beyond that. They have simply become pieces used to propel an extremely thin and meandering story forward.
I know many people hated the “mini-arc” of Governor backstory episodes years ago, but I think these were some of the best storytelling the show has ever done. Same with the mini Morgan movie (which had its flaws but the concept was solid). Even the little bit of screen time Alicia Witt’s one-and-done character had was well used to paint the picture of a meek sexually harassed secretary that became a survivor. Those are the things the show should be doing.
Running that last Sheep game and listening to this week’s podcasts, I think I figured out one of the most aggravating “ground level” problems with TWD that almost goes all the way back to the beginning. They have introduced fascinating characters that potentially have amazing ethos to them, but then they don’t do a damned thing to develop that.
For example, Carol’s arc from Season 1 to now — the evolution from being a beat down mouse of a wife to the ultimate survivor she is now. The show flogs “you can come back” but doesn’t understand it. Of all the survivors, Carol has probably faced the most emotional scarring — from domestic abuse to losing children (one at her own hand) to the deaths of just about any emotional attachment — but the show doesn’t know how to tell her story.
Carl’s arc has been OK, but should be so much better. The show’s inability to portray the passage of time is a major flaw here. His should be the story of the growth, maturation, and possibly corruption of a child who is just old enough to remember a world before this. But since the show doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about time relative to the story, we just get whatever Carl is convenient for that week’s episode. A recast and time jump to a time when Carl is essentially John Connor would be interesting.
Father Gabriel — oh the depths of the human psyche that could have been explored with this character! Just at face value, how does a man of God make sense of the zombie apocalypse? How does he continue to try to spread the word of God and preach peace in a world that is only governed by violence and inhumanity? Add into that his actual backstory of locking his parishioners out of the church and listening to them get slaughtered ... instead he has just been an annoying peckerweed that runs the day care for Rick.
We complain about the constant moral yo-yo-ing of Morgan, Jesus, etc. but the failure to successfully explore the characters goes far beyond that. They have simply become pieces used to propel an extremely thin and meandering story forward.
I know many people hated the “mini-arc” of Governor backstory episodes years ago, but I think these were some of the best storytelling the show has ever done. Same with the mini Morgan movie (which had its flaws but the concept was solid). Even the little bit of screen time Alicia Witt’s one-and-done character had was well used to paint the picture of a meek sexually harassed secretary that became a survivor. Those are the things the show should be doing.
For quite a few seasons, it seemed to me that the writers didn't really "respect" the characters. They have merely been props to move the story along. For example, the wavering inconsistencies of Rick's character (sometimes episode to episode) seemed to be an easy way to get the story moving in the direction they wanted.
The Governor is a good example of the story seeming to unfold as a result of the character.
But I understand the difficulty in writing characters who seem to be alive and grow (not one dimensional, flat, and predictable) while trying to keep a storyline on "track". Sometimes the characters would incline to take a story in a direction that the writers didn't want to go in. So they have to yank the character back in line to the flow of the narrative.
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12-10-17, 11:02 PM
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Re: Walking Dead Mid-Season 8 Dead Pool
One zombie in a whole 1 1/2 hr show about zombies? Gimple is number one on my “hope to be killed by zombie” hit list.
12-11-17, 01:13 AM
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The voters for “Just more nameless redshirts”: Abob Teff, Breakfast with Girls, Jason
The only voter who only chose the correct answer: Jason
The only voter who only chose the correct answer: Jason
12-11-17, 12:27 PM
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And yet we didn’t get 15 minutes of backstory and moral guidance from him ... still a nameless redshirt.
I dont watch Talking Dead ... did Gimple explain to us that the death of Neil in Maggie’s presence is to symbolize how Maggie will no longer allow people to kneel to Negan?
I dont watch Talking Dead ... did Gimple explain to us that the death of Neil in Maggie’s presence is to symbolize how Maggie will no longer allow people to kneel to Negan?
12-11-17, 02:55 PM
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Who the hell is was Neil?
Grandma Narnia got taken out by that girl Carl likes after she and "Have I mentioned my husband in this scene yet? Because I'm gay you know" guy set up the world's most poorly thought through welcome wagon.
Seriously. I said it in a previous episode thread, but the show needs to fall back out of love with the cast. Hate to break it to them, but not every character is a national treasure. Until the show does that it will continue to be predictable. They forfeited one of the most valuable things they had going for them: That anything could happen, and there were consequences for actions, both good and bad. It has morphed into a stale melodrama with zombies as minor background characters.
Grandma Narnia got taken out by that girl Carl likes after she and "Have I mentioned my husband in this scene yet? Because I'm gay you know" guy set up the world's most poorly thought through welcome wagon.
Seriously. I said it in a previous episode thread, but the show needs to fall back out of love with the cast. Hate to break it to them, but not every character is a national treasure. Until the show does that it will continue to be predictable. They forfeited one of the most valuable things they had going for them: That anything could happen, and there were consequences for actions, both good and bad. It has morphed into a stale melodrama with zombies as minor background characters.
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