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dex14
10-18-16, 09:33 AM
Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
The J. Geils Band
Janes Addiction
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Journey
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur
Yes

https://www.rockhall.com/vote

DVD Josh
10-18-16, 09:49 AM
Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
The J. Geils Band
Janes Addiction
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Journey
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur
Yes

https://www.rockhall.com/vote

Wow, what a lineup. A few no questions - Pearl Jam, Journey, Cars, Zombies, Baez, JJ, Depeche Mode, ELO and probably Tupac given his lasting influence. I do expect MC5 and Steppenwolf and YES to get in eventually.

Groucho
10-18-16, 09:58 AM
19 acts that all should have made it in before KISS.

DVD Josh
10-18-16, 10:01 AM
19 acts that all should have made it in before KISS.

I'm no KISS fan but they were always going to get in.

One of my favorite pure cheese songs is Heaven's On Fire. It's just raunchy and stupid that I dig it.

hdnmickey
10-18-16, 10:13 AM
My votes would go to:

Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
Journey
Kraftwerk
The Cars
Yes

edit - didn't know it's limited to 5 votes

bunkaroo
10-18-16, 10:38 AM
My 5 votes:

Depeche Mode
Journey
Pearl Jam
The Cars
Yes

Decker
10-18-16, 10:46 AM
It would be a travesty if Depeche Mode got inducted before The Cure or The Smiths. I find them whiny and monotonous.

I'd go with :

ELO
Jane's Addiction
Janet Jackson
Pearl Jam
The Cars

Plus you just know they will feel they have to pick one disco act, either Chaka Kahn or Chic.

Journey is the interesting one, a bubble gum pop band that was super-successful with staying power.

I've never even heard of Bad Brains.

DaveNinja
10-18-16, 12:48 PM
Bad Brains were an early black punk band out of DC, i think.

my picks would be any 5 that does not include Pearl Jam

Hokeyboy
10-18-16, 12:51 PM
Journey is the interesting one, a bubble gum pop band that was super-successful with staying power.
"Bubble gum pop band"? Journey? They started out as a weird prog/jazzy/blues thing and ended up as 80s FM rock a la Foreigner, Styx, etc. I don't think anyone would refer to them as "bubble gum". They weren't exactly the Bay City Rollers.

If I had to choose (not necessarily my favorites):

Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
Journey
Pearl Jam
Yes

Decker
10-18-16, 01:08 PM
Yeah, maybe Bubble Gum Pop wasn't what I meant. Just very commercial pop-rock that was dismissed by critics. I mean if Hall & Oats got in, I can live with Journey getting inducted as well.

bunkaroo
10-18-16, 01:23 PM
Journey absolutely deserves to be in there. They had their own Atari 2600 game!

bunkaroo
10-18-16, 01:25 PM
Bad Brains were an early black punk band out of DC, i think.


To add to this, I believe they were one of those bands who were more influential than popular. I recall many metal bands listing them as an influence.

Phodg
10-18-16, 01:26 PM
Bad Brains
ELO
MC5
Yes

Screw the rest. :)

Chrisedge
10-18-16, 01:29 PM
Tough choices...My picks...

Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
Pearl Jam
The Cars
Yes

B5Erik
10-18-16, 01:48 PM
No Iron Maiden?

No Judas Priest?

No Ronnie James Dio?

They still don't get it.

inri222
10-18-16, 02:39 PM
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Josh-da-man
10-18-16, 04:00 PM
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Ronnie James Dio
Motorhead

Just do it, and we'll stop bitching. Tear the band-aid off quickly.

rw2516
10-18-16, 04:49 PM
My five favorites
ELO
Steppenwolf
Cars
Yes
Zombies

My five predictions
ELO
Pearl Jam
Joan Baez
Tupac Shakur
Cars

Jason
10-18-16, 05:28 PM
Joan Baez
Pearl Jam
The Cars
Tupac Shakur
Yes

And Chic? Again? They just won't give up, will they? The other nominees could be Bobby Sherman, The Starland Vocal Band, Insane Clown Posse, The Chipmunks, The B-Sharps, and Nickelback and Chic STILL wouldn't get voted in.

cdollaz
10-18-16, 08:21 PM
How is Kraftwerk not already in?

How are Yes not already in?

How are The Cure not even nominated?

Ky-Fi
10-18-16, 09:52 PM
I admit I'm not too well versed in her pop genre, but did Janet Jackson really do that much, or Jane's Addiction, for that matter?

hdnmickey
10-18-16, 10:30 PM
How is Kraftwerk not already in?

How are Yes not already in?

Not a clue. Both are major influences on bands many enjoy today.

How are The Cure not even nominated?

Probably just a matter of time. They'll get to that era eventually.

B5Erik
10-18-16, 10:34 PM
How are The Cure not even nominated?

Because they still don't get it?

For my money The Cure was a first ballot Hall of Famer. A no-brainer (so even I would be qualified to say that they deserve to be in).

I'm more personally attached to Iron Maiden, Ronnie James Dio, and Judas Priest, but I absolutely recognize the quality and influence of The Cure. (I can't stand them, for the most part, but I do recognize well written songs when I hear them.) All of those groups/artists should already be in.

AaronHernandez
10-19-16, 07:02 AM
Voted
Yes- Pity people don't know how damn good their early stuff is
Kraftwerk
2Pac
MC5
Pearl Jam

DaveNinja
10-19-16, 12:14 PM
Janes Addiction were a major part of the early 90s alternative music. They (or at least the singer) started Lolapolooza.

inri222
10-19-16, 12:18 PM
I guess Joy Division and The Damned will have to wait, again.

k_lodge
10-19-16, 07:59 PM
No love for J. Geils Band??? Great Rock and R&B Band, especially their stuff from 1970-1980 (Not a fan of their most popular album Freeze Frame).

Blow You Face Out one of my favorite Live albums of all time. Was too young to see them in their prime, but have seen them live 4 times since the late 1990's and they never disappoint.

Whiskey Warfield
10-19-16, 09:35 PM
Kraftwerk
Journey
Depeche Mode
Chic
Pearl Jam

Chic is pretty much Nile Rodgers, who belongs in there.

Ky-Fi
10-19-16, 10:28 PM
Huh, Kraftwerk or Depeche Mode.

I love them both, but it's a tough call. IMO, Kraftwerk were MUCH more influential on other artists and music in general, but I think DM were much better songwriters and have a superior body of work.

Paff
10-19-16, 11:51 PM
Janes Addiction were a major part of the early 90s alternative music. They (or at least the singer) started Lolapolooza.

Trouser Press published a review of their first record right before they blew up (as much as JA "blew up") and excoriated them. Much later, they had to review Porno for Pyros. I expected a walk-back on their original Jane's Addiction review, especially when the review began with lavish praise of Perry Farrell and Lolapalooza. But after all the praise, they then stated "none of this success and influence excuses the pure shittiness of his music"

So I like that Trouser Press at least stuck to their guns even after the band found success...

Geofferson
10-20-16, 12:03 PM
Bad Brains
ELO
Kraftwerk
The Cars
Yes

CRM114
10-20-16, 12:22 PM
Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
The J. Geils Band
Janes Addiction
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Journey
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur
Yes

https://www.rockhall.com/vote

Wait a minute. Bad Brains? Are the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag in? I don't think so. If not, the Bad Brains have no business being on this list. It's kind of insulting.

I voted for Kraftwerk, ELO, The Cars, and Yes. I had trouble picking a 5th but selected The Zombies because Odyssey and Oracle is one of the greatest albums of all time. :)

CRM114
10-20-16, 12:24 PM
It would be a travesty if Depeche Mode got inducted before The Cure or The Smiths. I find them whiny and monotonous.


Strongly concur. Who makes these decisions? Its insane.

(But then I believe The Smiths were one of the greatest bands of all time.)

inri222
10-20-16, 12:31 PM
Wait a minute. Bad Brains? Are the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag in? I don't think so. If not, the Bad Brains have no business being on this list. It's kind of insulting.

As a fan of all 3, I disagree. Even though BB are the godfathers of hardcore punk, their musical talent transcends the genre.

Nick Danger
10-20-16, 08:03 PM
Every year I ask:
Why isn't Kraftwerk already in? Massive influences.
Why is Journey even on the list? The godfathers of glossy, soulless rock. The progenitors of the worst characteristics of hair bands.

Josh-da-man
10-20-16, 10:16 PM
If the Bad Brains get in I wonder if there will be a shitstorm over their anti-gay songs and views.

TerryW
10-21-16, 10:23 AM
Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.

inri222
10-21-16, 10:41 AM
If the Bad Brains get in I wonder if there will be a shitstorm over their anti-gay songs and views.

I highly doubt they will get in. Who knows if that incident with the Big Boys or that one song (which they both regret and apologized for) will have any effect. I don't remember anyone protesting Guns N' Roses' induction for writing the racist/homophobic song One in a Million which was even covered by neo-Nazi/white supremacist Ian Stuart of Skrewdriver.

bunkaroo
10-21-16, 11:03 AM
Every year I ask:
Why isn't Kraftwerk already in? Massive influences.
Why is Journey even on the list? The godfathers of glossy, soulless rock. The progenitors of the worst characteristics of hair bands.

It's hard to deny their success though, and the hall is in the business of rewarding success as well as being influential it seems.

I know Journey is very "cotton candy", but I've never really felt they were soulless. They did what they did very well.

EddieMoney
10-21-16, 02:06 PM
I can't take the RNR HOF too seriously anymore, as these guys have never been nominated:

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hdnmickey
10-21-16, 03:04 PM
The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.

B5Erik
10-21-16, 04:29 PM
Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.

I keep forgetting about them because I forget that they aren't already in!

Most people don't know how hugely successful they were, and how influential they were. Beyond that they were merely brilliant, musically...

Tull, Maiden, Ronnie James Dio, Priest, etc not even nominated - WTF???

bunkaroo
10-21-16, 04:42 PM
Maybe Tull's exclusion is karma for stealing the best metal Grammy from Metallica.

hdnmickey
10-21-16, 04:57 PM
Maybe Tull's exclusion is karma for stealing the best metal Grammy from Metallica.

:lol:

But seriously, it could be just how few really great albums they had. I have enjoyed their work past 1980, but most do not.

B5Erik
10-21-16, 05:12 PM
:lol:

But seriously, it could be just how few really great albums they had. I have enjoyed their work past 1980, but most do not.

They've got a ton of great albums. Their worst albums are merely good...

rw2516
10-21-16, 05:36 PM
The ones that mystify me why they don't at least appear on the ballot:

Johnny Winter
T Rex or as Marc Bolan
Mott the Hoople
Grand Funk Railroad
The Guess Who
The Faces

Is Canned Heat in?

musick
10-21-16, 06:33 PM
The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.

yep, and the title track to Escape (never a single) is even one of the best tracks ... I would assume Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith will be the accepting inductees .... hope Gregg Rolie is recognized

this guy, not so much :p
http://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/1265657147_slide3.jpg

don't know why people take this stuff so personally
Journey has a place in this institution just as I believe Rush and Kiss did and the Replacements still do as well as other acts I may not care for

hdnmickey
10-21-16, 08:01 PM
yep, and the title track to Escape (never a single) is even one of the best tracks ... I would assume Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith will be the accepting inductees .... hope Gregg Rolie is recognized

I hope Perry can find a way to be part of it, possibly even performing at the ceremony if they get in. And given Rollie recently worked with Schon again on Santana IV, there is hope for him as well. Would love to see a "Captured" repeat of Feeling That Way/Anytime along with Wheel In The Sky and Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' (if Rollie is included)

inri222
10-21-16, 08:22 PM
this guy, not so much :p
http://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/1265657147_slide3.jpg

Didn't know Clarence Clemons knew how to play bass.

Nick Danger
10-22-16, 01:46 PM
The backlash against Journey reminds me of the same kind of backlash against the Rap/Hop-Hop artists that have been nominated (or even voted in). The response is classically the same. Just because you don't like it, or consider them a fit for the Hall, doesn't mean far more don't feel differently.

And when people talk about how the Hall artist should have been influential, Journey definitely fits the bill for better or worse.

And as a fan, I would put the album run of Infinity to Escape against anything else from that genre. Escape is one of my favorite albums period.

Is there a popular backlash against Journey? I thought it was just me.

I'm not a fan of hip-hop, but hip-hop in the 1980s and 1990s was exciting and creative, and it went places music had never gone before. It changed popular music around the world. It doesn't matter to me that I'm not a fan, I'd say that the first generations of hip-hop acts definitely belong in the HOF.

hdnmickey
10-22-16, 06:13 PM
It changed popular music around the world. It doesn't matter to me that I'm not a fan, I'd say that the first generations of hip-hop acts definitely belong in the HOF.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm even a fan of much of it. But if Hip-Hop is to be included in a Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, it should have been after many other equally deserving Rock acts that came years before them were given their due.

And it's not just Hip-Hop. I can't believe Madonna and Pearl Jam were put on ballots when equally, or even more deserving acts from the 60's and 70's haven't made it in.

Dubya
10-22-16, 08:14 PM
The ones that mystify me why they don't at least appear on the ballot:

Johnny Winter
T Rex or as Marc Bolan
Mott the Hoople
Grand Funk Railroad
The Guess Who
The Faces

Is Canned Heat in?

The Faces were inducted (as the Small Faces/Faces) at the 2012 ceremony, which I was fortunate to attend. Unfortunately Rod bailed claiming sickness a day before the ceremony so they flew Mick Hucknall over to sing. Ian McLagan, Ron Wood and Kenney Jones accepted and performed. Steve Marriott's daughter accepted the award on his behalf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z-cPTgYNBY

JANK
10-22-16, 09:09 PM
Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
Kraftwerk
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Yes

creekdipper
10-23-16, 08:37 AM
Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.

They've got a ton of great albums. Their worst albums are merely good...

I understand that Richard Thompson will likely never be nominated despite covering having a huge influence on early folk-rock, singer-songwriters, sessions work, and a catalog of 40-plus albums in a career that continues to this day. He's a musician's musician.

But the exclusion of Tull is ridiculous. They hit every criteria: Mass appeal (over 60 million units sold), critical acclaim, large catalogue, & longevity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_(band)

As for their influence, consider this:

Legacy

Jethro Tull's music has been referenced in popular culture, appearing in movies, (Breaking the Waves, Anchorman, Almost Famous, Apollo 18, also mentioned by Owen Wilson's character in the movie Armageddon) television series (The Simpsons, Breaking Bad, Supernatural, Life on Mars, Fargo) and commercials.

Their influence on musicians includes Iron Maiden's Steve Harris[94] and Bruce Dickinson, Dream Theater's John Myung,[95] Blind Guardian's Marcus Siepen,[96] Joe Bonamassa, the Decemberists' Jenny Conlee[97] and folk doom metal band Blood Ceremony. Rush's Geddy Lee, for example, said about Jethro Tull: "I was a massive Tull fan from very young ... and, I hope, that too reflects in Rush. I was mesmerised by Ian Anderson. His presentation was simply magical and he delivered it with such a sense of humour and great style ... We [of Rush] saw it as a huge challenge to try and create something that can seem so dynamic onstage."[98]

Gentle Giant's Derek Shulman put Jethro Tull as one of the greatest bands in progressive rock history. After touring with the band in 1972, Shulman praised very much the band as musicians and friends.[99]

Bands who have covered songs from Jethro Tull include Iron Maiden, who recorded their own version of "Cross Eyed Mary" for the B-Side of "The Trooper". The folk band Turisas recorded "Broadsword". Finnish heavy metal band Northern Kings recorded "Fallen on Hard Times". "Rainbow Blues" was covered by Blackmore's Night, former Deep Purple guitarist Ritchie Blackmore's band. The song was released on their 2003 album Ghost of a Rose. The Ronnie James Dio band Elf, in 1972 played live versions "Aqualung" and "Cross Eyed Mary". Also in the seventies, the Italian band Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) played live a version of "My God" and "Bouree". In the Stoner Metal compilation Sucking the 70s, there are two covers of Jethro Tull songs: "Cross-Eyed Mary" and "Hymn 43", from the bands Clutch and Alabama Thunderpussy, respectively.







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CRM114
10-24-16, 12:17 PM
As a fan of all 3, I disagree. Even though BB are the godfathers of hardcore punk, their musical talent transcends the genre.

The Dead Kennedys were the greatest hardcore band ever. Their talent also transcended the genre. Fresh Fruit came out 2 years before BB's first LP. Black Flag Damaged one year before. I mean, I could add others that were equally important to the genre as Bad Brains. Seems an odd choice as a singular induction.

CRM114
10-24-16, 12:27 PM
Well, to be fair, Yes is just going in now and they are more deserving than Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull will get in.

As for Journey, as much as I despise Steve Perry's voice, they deserve a spot simply because of how big they were (and at one point, they actually did play rock music :)).

Hazel Motes
10-25-16, 12:13 AM
I think Jethro Tull is more suited for the Metal Hall of Fame.

creekdipper
10-27-16, 08:51 AM
Interesting read re: 2017 nominees as to why they are an "disgrace" to music.

http://observer.com/2016/10/the-2017-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-are-a-disgrace-to-music/


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TomOpus
10-27-16, 09:03 AM
Clickbait. Doesn't discuss the bands being a disgrace. Just another rant about how stupid the choices (and non-choices) have been.

hdnmickey
10-27-16, 10:01 AM
Well, to be fair, Yes is just going in now and they are more deserving than Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull will get in.

As for Journey, as much as I despise Steve Perry's voice, they deserve a spot simply because of how big they were (and at one point, they actually did play rock music :)).

ITA. As a huge Yes fan, mostly of material that came out when I was too young to care, I am extremely saddened that they didn't get them inducted as one of the first inductees, when Chris Squire was still alive, and they were still playing very well together as a band.

creekdipper
10-27-16, 10:46 AM
Clickbait. Doesn't discuss the bands being a disgrace. Just another rant about how stupid the choices (and non-choices) have been.

Sort of like us here, eh, Tom?

After all, we are the experts! -wink-

But you're right in that it's just another guy's opinions, although he does go into detail for each selection as to his reasons for/against.



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bunkaroo
10-27-16, 11:16 AM
I am extremely saddened that they didn't get them indicted as one of the first inductees, when Chris Squire was still alive, and they were still playing very well together as a band.

Tormato was really bad, but no reason to bring a criminal case against them! ;)

It is sad though that they couldn't get in while Chris was still around.

hdnmickey
10-27-16, 11:57 AM
Tormato was really bad, but no reason to bring a criminal case against them! ;)

Thanks, fixed.

It is sad though that they couldn't get in while Chris was still around.

More than just when he was alive, when Squire, Howe, Anderson, Wakeman, and White were still playing together and in top form. Toward the end of Squire's life that was no longer true. Group had went different ways again and just couldn't pull it off as well anymore.

dex14
12-20-16, 08:10 AM
The results are in - Electric Light Orchestra, Joan Baez, Journey, Tupac, Yes, Pearl Jam and Nile Rodgers are officially your 2017 Rock Hall Inductees.

TomOpus
12-20-16, 08:59 AM
It will be nice to see an ELO reunion.

Decker
12-20-16, 09:11 AM
The big question will be will Steve Perry perform with Journey? -popcorn-

hdnmickey
12-20-16, 09:25 AM
The big question will be will Steve Perry perform with Journey? -popcorn-

I certainly hope they can put it all aside for one night. Same goes for Rolie, but given him and Schon recently played together again with Santana, it's a good bet Greg will be there. Hopefully they can pull off another "Captured" era performance with that lineup.

cungar
12-20-16, 11:31 AM
It will be nice to see an ELO reunion.

I guess Richard Tandy, Bev Bevan, Mik Kaminski and Jeff are the remaining core. Bassist Kelly Groucutt is deceased. Not sure the various cellists will be inducted.

Edit. Just read this:

ELO: Jeff Lynne, Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and Roy Wood are being inducted.

Good for Roy Wood. A true rocker.

JANK
12-20-16, 11:33 AM
WTH Tupac? and no Jethro Tull. Asinine!

cdollaz
12-20-16, 12:07 PM
WTH Tupac? and no Jethro Tull. Asinine!

The hall usually isn't very kind to heavy metal bands.

AaronHernandez
12-20-16, 04:54 PM
2PAC is an all time great

The way Kraftwek are the Godfathers for Electronic music, Journey really opened the door for Nickelback,Creed ,Bon Jovi and other Crap Rock Acts . Deserving Icons

Vipper II
12-20-16, 06:55 PM
Took way too long for ELO to get in!

stvn1974
12-20-16, 07:21 PM
I know Tupac won't be the first rapper to be inducted but he will be the first rapist, right?

hdnmickey
12-20-16, 07:27 PM
Took way too long for ELO to get in!

As much as I am a fan of ELO, Yes should have got in years before they did.

And sadly there are many actual rock bands like Jethro Tull that now go in (hopefully at some point like Yes) after somebody like Tupac. -ohbfrank-

TomOpus
12-20-16, 08:14 PM
I guess Richard Tandy, Bev Bevan, Mik Kaminski and Jeff are the remaining core. Bassist Kelly Groucutt is deceased. Not sure the various cellists will be inducted.

Edit. Just read this:

ELO: Jeff Lynne, Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and Roy Wood are being inducted.
Nice!
Good for Roy Wood. A true rocker.

Chrisedge
12-21-16, 11:54 AM
A little pissed The Cars made the top 5 (5th position) on the Fan Vote, but they then took Joan and Tupac over them.

Whatever.

EddieMoney
12-21-16, 12:20 PM
The Cars and Depeche Mode should have made it.

Oh well, Fuck the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fucks"

hdnmickey
12-21-16, 12:49 PM
A little pissed The Cars made the top 5 (5th position) on the Fan Vote, but they then took Joan and Tupac over them.

Whatever.

I'm personally good with Joan getting in if she was ever going to be considered worthy and inducted over time. But not getting The Cars in there sooner than later is crazy. Especially when the alternative is Tupac. -ohbfrank-

I find it crazy that there was an obvious push to get as many of the older, influential artists/bands in during the first few years and now they are inducting newer artists like Tupac over older, influential bands like The Cars.

AaronHernandez
12-21-16, 12:50 PM
A little pissed The Cars made the top 5 (5th position) on the Fan Vote, but they then took Joan and Tupac over them.

Whatever.

Joan Baez should have been in years ago. She is one of the definitive artists of folk rock in the 20th Century. There are about a dozen rock bands from the Cars era(Cure,Depeche Mode,New Order,Joy Division,Styx etc) not in the HOF that are more worthy of inclusion.

cdollaz
12-21-16, 02:53 PM
Styx?

Chrisedge
12-21-16, 05:15 PM
Joan Baez should have been in years ago. She is one of the definitive artists of folk rock in the 20th Century. There are about a dozen rock bands from the Cars era(Cure,Depeche Mode,New Order,Joy Division,Styx etc) not in the HOF that are more worthy of inclusion.

Other than Styx, all those bands came shortly after the Cars, and I would argue (maybe other than DM & Cure), the Cars influenced many more bands and are more worthy of entry.

Strokes/Smashing Pumpkins/Nirvana/Killers and many more bands have cited the Cars as an influence.

Josh-da-man
12-21-16, 05:27 PM
Frankly, I'm surprised Joan Baez isn't already in. Seems like she should have gone in in the early days of the R&RHOF when they were inducting acts like The Beatles, Stones, Who, and Dylan.

cdollaz
12-21-16, 05:59 PM
I like The Cars and would support them getting in, but I do not think they are a no-brainer. There body of work was uneven, they didn't last very long, and they were not considered a great live band really, were they?

2 stone cold classic albums, though.

hdnmickey
12-21-16, 07:43 PM
2 stone cold classic albums, though.

I would go with 3 (The Cars, Candy-O, and Heartbeat City). Sadly they started drifting apart and then Ben died. But plenty of other inducted bands had even less output.

And Styx? You bet. Like Journey it doesn't matter if people don't like their style of music anymore than it matters is people agree with R&B, Disco and Rap artists being inducted. Hopefully Styx eventually makes it in, but there are so many other 60's and 70's rock acts that should get in first.

Chrisedge
12-21-16, 07:56 PM
Having seen the Cars multiple times, I would say they are boring but great live. EE is a terrific underrated guitarist and Greg Hawkins is a great player too, they do just stand there and "go through the motions" outside of the two mentioned. But they were influential with their music videos as well. They had that advantage over all those bands. "You Might Think" was one of the first big CGI videos.

hdnmickey
12-21-16, 08:15 PM
Most of The Cars videos were top notch. One of the bands that saw the benefit and really took it seriously. You could tell people were watching because how else would they go on about the fugly rocker that was married to the SI swimsuit model.

Jason
12-22-16, 03:54 PM
The big question will be will Steve Perry perform with Journey? -popcorn-

Maybe Steve Perry and Jon Anderson can just have their own awards show. With blackjack, and hookers...

hdnmickey
12-22-16, 04:50 PM
Come to think of it, how many guys will be up there to represent Yes? Bruford? Sherwood? Kay? Downes? Horn? Rabin? I would think Anderson, Wakeman, White, and Howe are a lock.

statcat
12-22-16, 05:50 PM
I like The Cars and would support them getting in, but I do not think they are a no-brainer. There body of work was uneven, they didn't last very long, and they were not considered a great live band really, were they?



Their only good stuff is those first 2 albums I agree. They were fine live. Watch the Musikladen video of them; the drummer is very sick and you'd never even know. I think as far as "new wave" bands, XTC has a way better body of work but they would never get in I imagine.

Chrisedge
12-22-16, 07:52 PM
The difference between the Cars and all the bands mentioned in the same posts, was the Cars weren't just "new wave". Bands like DM, Cure, XTC, New Order, Joy, even Styx, appealed to only a certain type of fan. (Mostly KROQ type listeners outside of Styx)...The Cars were very successful at a cross-over type career. Appealing to not only new wavers, but more classic rock fans as well. Obviously I am a Cars fan, and I would argue that their first five were all classics. Panorama is a much misunderstood album (it's the "darkest" of their discography) but Shake It Up and Heartbeat City are both great albums as well. (I will admit the first two are by far my favorites)

cdollaz
12-22-16, 10:06 PM
I was talking about the first one and Heartbeat City as the 2 classics. Candy-O is a step down for me.

Jason
12-23-16, 11:17 AM
Come to think of it, how many guys will be up there to represent Yes? Bruford? Sherwood? Kay? Downes? Horn? Rabin? I would think Anderson, Wakeman, White, and Howe are a lock.

Wakeman has already said he has no interest in attending.

hdnmickey
12-23-16, 12:33 PM
Wakeman has already said he has no interest in attending.

Wow. OK. Really sad this didn't happen a few years ago when the core of the group was getting along and playing on a regular basis.

Jason
12-23-16, 03:53 PM
Wow. OK. Really sad this didn't happen a few years ago when the core of the group was getting along and playing on a regular basis.

He just toured with Anderson and Rabin. I guess he beef is with Steve Howe?

I think people like Wakeman, Steve Perry, Ritchie Blackmore, etc. owe it not only to the fans who put them there in the first place, but the rest of the group to attend these types of things. Just because he is a grumpy old fart doesn't mean the rest of the band wouldn't want to see him there.

Whiskey Warfield
12-23-16, 06:22 PM
I don't see how the founders of hip-hop didn't go in before any of the rappers. Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel...and Herc ain't long for this world.

Decker
12-25-16, 07:26 PM
I don't see how the founders of hip-hop didn't go in before any of the rappers. Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel...and Herc ain't long for this world.

Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five (including Melle Mel) was inducted in 2007. I'm pretty sure that was the first rap act to be inducted.

K&AJones
12-27-16, 07:52 PM
Come to think of it, how many guys will be up there to represent Yes? Bruford? Sherwood? Kay? Downes? Horn? Rabin? I would think Anderson, Wakeman, White, and Howe are a lock.

They'll need a separate stage for all of Wakeman's keyboards....he a Keith Emerson were the Best of the Best in their heyday....

...but Yes had an outstanding lineup no matter what year or album...just won't be the same with "The Bass Player".....Chris Squire not there....

.....but Tupac over The Cars.....what are comparing here?....well, that's why so many have a low opinion of the R&RHoF.....just might as well call it the "Rock & Rap" HoF

Drexl
12-27-16, 08:17 PM
Come to think of it, how many guys will be up there to represent Yes? Bruford? Sherwood? Kay? Downes? Horn? Rabin? I would think Anderson, Wakeman, White, and Howe are a lock.

According to their site, those inducted will be: Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Steve Howe, Tony Kaye, Trevor Rabin, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman and Alan White. We'll see how many of them show up (obviously Squire cannot).

GuessWho
12-28-16, 01:35 PM
A little pissed The Cars made the top 5 (5th position) on the Fan Vote, but they then took Joan and Tupac over them.

Whatever.The fan vote only counts as one vote.

ie: Thousands of people are voting to decide how one ballot is cast. All of the fans across the country collectively have the same power as one voting executive.

hdnmickey
12-28-16, 02:05 PM
According to their site, those inducted will be: Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Steve Howe, Tony Kaye, Trevor Rabin, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman and Alan White. We'll see how many of them show up (obviously Squire cannot).

Basically the "Union" lineup, which sadly will mean some will be no shows simply because others are planning on going. -ohbfrank-

dex14
03-31-17, 02:37 PM
Steve Perry Will Attend Journey’s Rock Hall Induction But Probably “Skedaddle” Before Performance
http://www.stereogum.com/1932889/steve-perry-will-attend-journeys-rock-hall-induction-but-probably-skedaddle-before-performance/news/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=timeline

TomOpus
03-31-17, 03:35 PM
Maybe they're waiting to see how his voice is doing. I think it would be interesting to have Pineda sing a song and then Perry come out and sing the same song.

Yeah, I know...won't happen. But would be a hoot :)

hdnmickey
03-31-17, 03:52 PM
Steve Perry Will Attend Journey’s Rock Hall Induction But Probably “Skedaddle” Before Performance
http://www.stereogum.com/1932889/steve-perry-will-attend-journeys-rock-hall-induction-but-probably-skedaddle-before-performance/news/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=timeline

Damn. But then again, the last time I saw a video of a Perry performance...

What about Rollie?

Hazel Motes
04-01-17, 04:58 AM
As with every human being. Age becomes a factor. But this is Perry from 3 years ago performing Journey with The Eels, his only public performance in the last 20 years. His voice isn't the same, but he can still sing. I'd still pay to see him perform with Journey or even solo.

https://youtu.be/NZ4_P7TG_qw

https://youtu.be/86vD3nsua_s

Spiderbite
04-01-17, 11:22 AM
Kinda reminds me when I saw Van Halen a couple of years ago. David Lee Roth singing in a lower registered, going in and out of key here and there, getting audience to sing along at times, etc.

It's age. It happens. I would rather seem Perry with Journey live than see a young sound alike with perfect pitch. You want the original group (especially lead singer) or a cover band with a few of the originals? I prefer the originals, warts and all.

hdnmickey
04-01-17, 01:24 PM
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the originals as well. I enjoy the newer Journey albums with the other singers, but I've never bothered to see them live since Perry left (and for many years without Smith as well). I was just commenting on how much he has lost given the videos I have seen. Unlike somebody like Roth, Perry was an amazing singer IMO, so to me it's a much bigger loss.

VHS?
04-07-17, 12:22 PM
No way Perry doesn't sing. I think they are just keeping it mum for fans. Guess we'll know in a few hours.

musick
04-07-17, 02:56 PM
No way Perry doesn't sing. I think they are just keeping it mum for fans. Guess we'll know in a few hours.

Or sooner ....
https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/04/report-steve-perry-will-perform-with-journey-at-tonights-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-ceremony/

Excited to see Geddy with Yes as well

GuessWho
04-07-17, 03:02 PM
Perry from 3 years ago performing Journey with The Eels, his only public performance in the last 20 years

Not exactly his only time in the public... this is 2005 in front of a couple million people (and more on tv)

He starts singing at 0:50
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musick
04-08-17, 04:16 AM
and ultimately Perry did not perform

VHS?
04-08-17, 12:51 PM
He didnt even show up backstage for interviews. Still bitter drama with the band?

hdnmickey
04-08-17, 01:05 PM
He didnt even show up backstage for interviews. Still bitter drama with the band?

But there were people sure he would sing with them! I was thinking no way all along. Even if he still had the same voice, it would be like Dennis getting back with Styx.

hdnmickey
04-08-17, 01:14 PM
Excited to see Geddy with Yes as well

I'm sure the official video will be far better, but ill then...

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VHS?
04-08-17, 01:21 PM
I just dont understand it. After all these years, all the hype, and we get a little speech and he bails.
I'd sure like to know why but I'll leave that to TMZ to figure out :lol:

Throwing Copper
04-09-17, 11:48 PM
Anyone know when HBO will air this thing? I always enjoy watching it. I'm guessing late April or early May.

musick
04-09-17, 11:58 PM
April 29th

TomOpus
05-02-17, 01:01 PM
Anyone watch? Watched some YouTube videos. Saw a photo of Perry and Arnel meeting for the first time. Perry gave him a shout out during his acceptance speech was nice since he wasn't allowed to be with the group except during the performance.

VHS?
05-02-17, 03:22 PM
I watched on HBO the other day. Nice to see Perry and word is, from Neil anyway, that Perry was too emotional to get on stage and perform. I call bullshit because bands rehearse this shit. He was never going to sing.

rw2516
05-02-17, 04:24 PM
Sometimes shit cuts pretty deep.

whotony
05-03-17, 01:43 AM
I'm watching this now and saw the Journey part. BTW who is Arnel that was mentioned a couple posts up, is he the singer?

This guy that Journey has singing is bad. No Charisma, no personality. Just dull.

Also does anyone actually give any weight to who is in this sham of a Hall of fame?


So was Dave a little toasted

hdnmickey
05-03-17, 10:29 AM
I'm watching this now and saw the Journey part. BTW who is Arnel that was mentioned a couple posts up, is he the singer?

This guy that Journey has singing is bad. No Charisma, no personality. Just dull.

Yes, the new singer. He is definitely not known for being a great front man during live shows. He's basically just a tribute band guy that sounds a lot like a young Steve Perry.

For me the biggest shock (knew there was no way Perry was going to perform with them) was just how good Rollie looked. His recent stint back with Santana was great as well.

VHS?
05-03-17, 03:16 PM
Yes, the new singer. He is definitely not known for being a great front man during live shows. He's basically just a tribute band guy that sounds a lot like a young Steve Perry.

HUH?! Have you seen any live shows? He's just as good a front man as any other guy putting on a show :lol:
I think he's a good singer and sounds good on original material they've done.

Hokeyboy
05-03-17, 04:02 PM
I saw the new guy perform with Journey years ago. Fantastic singer but not much of a crowd-engager. In fact, not anything like one. Kind of a weak frontman, but I assume he's gotten better at it and more comfortable with crowds over the years.

hdnmickey
05-03-17, 06:57 PM
HUH?! Have you seen any live shows? He's just as good a front man as any other guy putting on a show :lol:-

Yes, and I came away with a totally different take. Especially compared to how great Steve Perry was back in their prime.

I think he's a good singer and sounds good on original material they've done.

I'm not knocking his singing ability in any way. In fact, I've bought each new studio album with him as the singer because I do like him as in general.

TomOpus
05-04-17, 12:24 PM
Yes, the new singer. He is definitely not known for being a great front man during live shows.I guess "new" as being the newest but he's been with the band for 10 years.

CRM114
05-05-17, 02:52 PM
Sad after Steve Howe's speech that Yes would choose as one of their two songs, Owner of a Lonely Heart. :down:

I can't stand Journey but it was too bad Steve Perry couldn't join the band in some capacity. And the dude that came out with Jeff Lynne apparently wasn't offered the chance to perform. Weird.

Jason
05-05-17, 06:06 PM
Sad after Steve Howe's speech that Yes would choose as one of their two songs, Owner of a Lonely Heart. :down:


It's their biggest hit.

What did you expect? Heart of the Sunrise? Maybe Don't Kill the Whale?

rw2516
05-06-17, 07:11 AM
It's their biggest hit.

What did you expect? Heart of the Sunrise? Maybe Don't Kill the Whale?

I think also they wanted to acknowledge Trevor Rabin era.
Imagine Fleetwood Mac doing 'Hypnotized' to acknowledge Bob Welch or 'Oh Well' to acknowledge Peter Green at their induction.

Jason
05-06-17, 08:32 AM
I think also they wanted to acknowledge Trevor Rabin era.
Imagine Fleetwood Mac doing 'Hypnotized' to acknowledge Bob Welch or 'Oh Well' to acknowledge Peter Green at their induction.

Maybe, but Yes don't have the casual fan/top forty hit playlist that Fleetwood Mac does. Lonely Heart was pretty much a given for them to play.

rw2516
05-06-17, 10:16 AM
Maybe, but Yes don't have the casual fan/top forty hit playlist that Fleetwood Mac does. Lonely Heart was pretty much a given for them to play.

I think it's both. No way they we're going to play it. One of the members in his speech gave Rabin credit for a lot of their success during that period.

hdnmickey
05-06-17, 11:47 AM
It also isn't just giving a nod to Rabin, which was the right thing to do. It's also not disrespecting Squire. He was instrumental in keeping Yes alive during those years. If not for him an Rabin, we probably would have ended up with those side projects becoming permanent. There are also some pretty awesome songs on those Rabin albums that are not a top 40 radio bait.

CRM114
05-08-17, 12:34 PM
Maybe, but Yes don't have the casual fan/top forty hit playlist that Fleetwood Mac does. Lonely Heart was pretty much a given for them to play.

Sure, if they weren't playing for the actual Yes fans as Steve Howe mentioned. Roundabout and Starship Trooper would be more appropriate (as an example). Yes wasn't about "hits" until Jon Anderson and Chris Squire bastardized the band. I think the vast majority of actual Yes fans would like to forget that era. They apparently like that album but they are playing to two completely different audiences. The 90125 crowd isn't buying the new 5.1 release of Close To The Edge.

Not claiming to be an authority on the subject - just personal feelings about it.

Hokeyboy
05-11-17, 01:12 PM
The 90125 crowd isn't buying the new 5.1 release of Close To The Edge..
But... but according to the Steve Hoffman forums, that's Rock's Greatest Achievement™!!

In all seriousness, while I understand why they chose "Owner of a Lonely Heart", I wish Yes could have pulled out another one of their "hits", where "hit" = "rock radio mainstays", like "I've Seen All Good People" or "Long Distance Runaround", etc.

Does induction into the RRHoF have any discernible impact on album or digital sales?


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